Paul Mitchell to leave club by mutual consent at end of June (Official)

[r0cafella]

6 minutes ago, 80 said:

I've written pretty extensively on here about it, so won't do so right now, but yeah, I think the position tends to have very low accountability and is ripe for exploitation by verbally dextrous frauds.

 

Re: the boardroom and it's appointments generally, I think there's a very strong argument we're extremely lucky to have appointed Howe and basically all the progress at the club, including off pitch, has hinged on him being here. I only really trust the decisions of him and Yasir among our upper echelons.

 

1 minute ago, Rich said:

They’re essentially just project management professionals, who are easily some of the worst people going in the business world.

That's the thing though, they shouldn't if they remit is correct and they know what they are doing. 

 

I'm guessing thats the issue though.

[Nucasol]

3 minutes ago, Rich said:

They’re essentially just project management professionals, who are easily some of the worst people going in the business world.

Lean Six Sigma Black Belt Nonces.

[Rich]

Just now, r0cafella said:

 

That's the thing though, they shouldn't if they remit is correct and they know what they are doing. 

 

I'm guessing thats the issue though.

It’s mainly just people who know a little bit about a few things and can talk a good a game, in my experience.

[54]

3 minutes ago, Rich said:

It’s mainly just people who know a little bit about a few things and can talk a good a game, in my experience.

Hey @Froggy, want to become Newcastle United Sporting Director  

[80]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

 

That's the thing though, they shouldn't if they remit is correct and they know what they are doing. 

 

I'm guessing thats the issue though.

Bingo  I'm not saying it can't be done right, but the chances of it actually being the case in a given situation are low.

 

A really important point is that each situation is essentially unique - it's not like DOF is a very standardised role which has identical responsibilities and required skillsets across clubs - so it's not very possible to straightforwardly judge one against another.

[Rich]

The fact Howe is incumbent and doing brilliantly clearly hasn’t helped, like.

 

We don’t have to have a traditional DoF/Sporting Director just because it’s seen as the ‘done thing’.

 

We might be able to bastardise the role somewhat to minimise friction with the first team side of things.

[Bellis80]

I think the manager has earned the right to pick his own players now to some extent. But I also think it’s impossible to for him to have the time to watch enough football to know how good other players are outside of the Premier League.

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, Rich said:

The fact Howe is incumbent and doing brilliantly clearly hasn’t helped, like.

 

We don’t have to have a traditional DoF/Sporting Director just because it’s seen as the ‘done thing’.

 

We might be able to bastardise the role somewhat to minimise friction with the first team side of things.

Needs to be healthy friction.  

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, 80 said:

Bingo  I'm not saying it can't be done right, but the chances of it actually being the case in a given situation are low.

 

A really important point is that each situation is essentially unique - it's not like DOF is a very standardised role which has identical responsibilities and required skillsets across clubs - so it's not very possible to straightforwardly judge one against another.

Your absolutely right here, the thing that makes me an advocate despite these pitfalls is the importance of continuity and long term planning in this PSR world. 

 

Rebuilds aren't possible so having a DNA if you will is something I deem essential. The moment Howe goes for whatever reason is the moment we are up the creek without a paddle. 

 

I guess being unable to find the right person is perfectly logical as the people making these hiring decisions are the same people that hire management consultants.

 

No disrespect intended to any management consultant that posts on here. (Unless your the fella from the chat thread)

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

11 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

Lean Six Sigma Black Belt Nonces.

Cheers for that RAF disaster flashback 🤮

[wyn davies]

I believe you should have the managers role and dof separated, if a manager controls transfers as well as managing the team ( not that I'm saying is the case) should the manager depart then what, that's both roles gone in one foul swoop. If one only departs at least all is not lost.

[Rich]

1 minute ago, Bellis80 said:

I think the manager has earned the right to pick his own players now to some extent. But I also think it’s impossible to for him to have the time to watch enough football to know how good other players are outside of the Premier League.

We’ve got dozens of people doing this on his behalf.

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

My big concern about all of this is what happens when Howe moves on for whatever reason? I’m still scarred by the transitions from Keegan to Dalglish and Robson to Souness.

 

My vision for a DoF is someone who implements a single culture, vision and tactical acuity across the whole club, from the academy, to the reserves to the first team. So that transitions are as effective and seamless as possible.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

So we’re assuming this is about conflict with Howe? 
 

And we’re assuming Mitchell won’t be replaced with someone else in the same role? 
 

Why? 

[Rich]

1 minute ago, wyn davies said:

I believe you should have the managers role and dof separated, if a manager controls transfers as well as managing the team ( not that I'm saying is the case) should the manager depart then what, that's both roles gone in one foul swoop. If one only departs at least all is not lost.

This would never, ever happen, regardless. It wouldn’t be allowed to no matter what approach we take. We’ve got an entire department of scouts and analysts working on transfer targets on a daily basis.

[Bellis80]

4 minutes ago, Rich said:

We’ve got dozens of people doing this on his behalf.

Yeah but every other club nowadays has that and a director of football so less gets passed on to the manager. Just adds more work.

[80]

3 minutes ago, Rich said:

The fact Howe is incumbent and doing brilliantly clearly hasn’t helped, like.

It rubs me up the wrong way that Eddie doing well is seen as an obstacle to instituting this system. Unhealthy friction, you could call it.

[Rich]

Just now, Bellis80 said:

Yeah but every other club nowadays has that and a director of football so less gets passed on to the manager. Just adds more work.

Howe’s doing the work regardless, though. It’s probably not the healthiest, but it’s how he wants to do things.

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

So we’re assuming this is about conflict with Howe? 
 

And we’re assuming Mitchell won’t be replaced with someone else in the same role? 
 

Why? 

I do think it’s largely about Mitchell’s conflict with Howe and others in the club. 
 

But I do expect him to be replaced. 

[Menace]

So Ba is on the shortlist, but they don't know who the new CEO is, who essentially will pick the new sporting director?

 

Right.

[Rich]

Just now, 80 said:

It rubs me up the wrong way that Eddie doing well is seen as an obstacle to instituting this system. Unhealthy friction, you could call it.

I just can’t see how it can ever work without Howe being involved in the recruitment, which is backwards in itself when considering the traditional model.

 

For him to have no say on bringing Mitchell in was ludicrous.

[80]

8 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Your absolutely right here, the thing that makes me an advocate despite these pitfalls is the importance of continuity and long term planning in this PSR world. 

 

Rebuilds aren't possible so having a DNA if you will is something I deem essential. The moment Howe goes for whatever reason is the moment we are up the creek without a paddle. 

 

I guess being unable to find the right person is perfectly logical as the people making these hiring decisions are the same people that hire management consultants.

 

No disrespect intended to any management consultant that posts on here. (Unless your the fella from the chat thread)

Ultimately there's no substitute for being a good judge of character and talent. As things stand it's a great environment for people like Alan Johnson from Peep Show to thrive in.

[jackyboy]

Is Dennis Wise still available?

[Nucasol]

1 minute ago, 80 said:

Ultimately there's no substitute for being a good judge of character and talent. As things stand it's a great environment for people like Alan Johnson from Peep Show to thrive in.

As a consultant myself, this is fucking brilliant and definitely the type of shit most of the word salad specialists I work with would come up with:

 

 

[PauloGeordio]

2 minutes ago, 80 said:

Ultimately there's no substitute for being a good judge of character and talent. As things stand it's a great environment for people like Alan Johnson from Peep Show to thrive in.