AJ9 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 He’s broken man. Been used way too much. Give him a break Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Just now, AJ9 said: He’s broken man. Been used way too much. Give him a break He wasn’t broken on Saturday though was he, they got done by the movement and runners. It was a similar 20 minute spell to the one we had against City in the away leg of the League Cup, the set up was exactly the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 What’s the point? He got exposed by the best sides in the world? Maybe when you play easier sides you’re not tested as much physically and mentally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 17 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Various people have been saying this all season related to multiple players. Have they? I doubt that somehow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curva Sud Milano Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Unlike his compatriot Woltemade (who I still consider a good player, but out of position and not suited to Premiere League), Malick is better suited to playing in the PL than in Serie A...his performances have certainly been better with you than with us. As a good German , he struggles to understand that playing against Haaland or against a less physical and more technical player are two different things and require a different approach and a different distance. Yesterday's mistake against Yamal is identical to the one he made against Joao Pedro in the PL; the slip is a consequence of the mistake you made and not bad luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 36 minutes ago, Fak said: Thought he was an incredibly underwhelming signing at the time given he struggled to lay down a regular spot in one of Milan's worst sides in recent times. He's turned out to be very good and got himself back in the Jorman side as well as chipping in with a few goals. He's made 46 apps already, he's clearly gassed and his performances are starting to show it. It looks way worse when you're absolutely tanked like he is and playing against one of Europe's best sides. Ok, I get what you're saying and on the surface it makes sense, but he's a young, fit professional, What's the chances that maybe he's fine physically and this is just who we've signed, a mostly good defender who unfortunately has some flaws in his game, his mistakes haven't all come against elite sides either. I'm not saying you're wrong but there's also no definite proof that you're right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 minute ago, Tiotes Witch Doctor said: Ok, I get what you're saying and on the surface it makes sense, but he's a young, fit professional, What's the chances that maybe he's fine physically and this is just who we've signed, a mostly good defender who unfortunately has some flaws in his game, his mistakes haven't all come against elite sides either. I'm not saying you're wrong but there's also no definite proof that you're right. He showed very early on he was more than fine. Once the games and injuries to others have ramped up his gametime has increased and so too have his poor(er) performances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) 1 minute ago, Fak said: He showed very early on he was more than fine. Once the games and injuries to others have ramped up his gametime has increased and so too have his poor(er) performances. Or we are just getting to a bigger sample size of his performances across a season? Edited March 19 by Tiotes Witch Doctor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 minute ago, Tiotes Witch Doctor said: Or we are just getting to a bigger sample size of his performances across a season? Aye when games have ramped up and injuries to others have occurred. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Id also add that I think most teams in multiple competitions don't really rotate their CB's and much as the rest of the squad, they are expected to play a lot of games on average compared to the rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 3 minutes ago, Fak said: Aye when games have ramped up and injuries to others have occurred. I hope you're right and his ceiling is the good parts we've seen. Like I said you might be right, I'm just not fully convinced it's all about him being fatigued that's all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Well his performances certainly haven't gone unnoticed this season and there's been a lot of links to top clubs, and so I'm sure Newcastle will be glad to just get their money back for the overrated defender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 34 minutes ago, Fak said: He showed very early on he was more than fine. Once the games and injuries to others have ramped up his gametime has increased and so too have his poor(er) performances. He was quality as recently as Saturday tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: He was quality as recently as Saturday tbf. Aye he was. He's already made 15 more apps this season than last in a much more physically demanding league. I think we'd have seen more of the best of him had we had Botman & Schar available more to rest and rotate. I'm not worried about him at all. Even during the first half last night he was very composed on the ball. Fell apart (like everyone else) in the second half. Edited March 19 by Fak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) I am really confused by this guy. Seems like such a good player individually but... the team completely falls apart defensively when he's on the pitch. Brobbey won a few duels with Botman in the first half but they never had a sniff of the goal whatsoever. I posted it in the squad and tactics thread a couple of weeks ago but, for "high defensive actions" (a metric which records tackles, interceptions or clearances in the opposition half): Burn ranks 88th percentile in the league vs other PL defenders (including full backs who generally score higher in this metric), so very highly. 1.21 actions per 90. Schar 73rd percentile. Also high. 0.87 per 90. Botman 23rd percentile. 0.3 per 90. Thiaw 6th percentile. 0.18 per 90. He is one of the least proactive CBs in the league. I need to watch for it when we play but there has to be something in it, and it would explain why we don't concede as many goals when Burn and Schar play together. Dunno if it's affecting the defensive line, ability to play offsides, the positioning of the other defenders or what. Edited March 22 by Smal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 He's our biggest goalscoring threat at the minute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 He seems to get most of the criticism - not his fault he has Burn on one side - Trippier the other and Ramsdale/Pope behind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Will likely get fed up of the mess around him soon enough and get a nice big move to Bayern Munich in due course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 7 minutes ago, Smal said: I am really confused by this guy. Seems like such a good player individually but... the team completely falls apart defensively when he's on the pitch. Brobbey won a few duels with Botman in the first half but they never had a sniff of the goal whatsoever. I posted it in the squad and tactics thread a couple of weeks ago but, for "high defensive actions" (a metric which records tackles, interceptions or clearances in the opposition half): Burn ranks 88th percentile in the league vs other PL defenders (including full backs who generally score higher in this metric), so very highly. 1.21 actions per 90. Schar 73rd percentile. Also high. 0.87 per 90. Botman 23rd percentile. 0.3 per 90. Thiaw 6th percentile. 0.18 per 90. He is one of the least proactive CBs in the league. I need to watch for it when we play but there has to be something in it, and it would explain why we don't concede as many goals when Burn and Schar play together. Dunno if it's affecting the defensive line, ability to play offsides, the positioning of the other defenders or what. Looked like he did really well defensively when he came on. At least one last ditch tackle which prevented a goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Just now, TRon said: Looked like he did really well defensively when he came on. At least one last ditch tackle which prevented a goal. yeah, it's kind of exactly what I mean. I have no issue with him as a player, he looks really good individually. I just think it's pretty clear that whatever we're doing defensively has not worked this season and I'm trying to find explanations. Thiaw defends much lower on the pitch than either of our CB pairing from the last two seasons, and that could be one of the main reasons why. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Has some great qualities if we can put it all together, but there's a gulf between him and Schar mentally which he will need to work on, as we haven't looked a good defensive unit since Schar's injury and potential decline. Only 24/25 though, so he can certainly grow into it psychologically if it's in him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 35 minutes ago, Smal said: I am really confused by this guy. Seems like such a good player individually but... the team completely falls apart defensively when he's on the pitch. Brobbey won a few duels with Botman in the first half but they never had a sniff of the goal whatsoever. I posted it in the squad and tactics thread a couple of weeks ago but, for "high defensive actions" (a metric which records tackles, interceptions or clearances in the opposition half): Burn ranks 88th percentile in the league vs other PL defenders (including full backs who generally score higher in this metric), so very highly. 1.21 actions per 90. Schar 73rd percentile. Also high. 0.87 per 90. Botman 23rd percentile. 0.3 per 90. Thiaw 6th percentile. 0.18 per 90. He is one of the least proactive CBs in the league. I need to watch for it when we play but there has to be something in it, and it would explain why we don't concede as many goals when Burn and Schar play together. Dunno if it's affecting the defensive line, ability to play offsides, the positioning of the other defenders or what. I've increasingly drawn the same conclusion as you and that stat provides a really interesting data point by which to try and figure out what is actually going on. When Schar came in for him earlier in the season and kept the starting berth until injury, we looked a lot more solid and structured as a unit. We really miss that solidity on a consistent basis with Thiaw in the side (not exclusively his fault, of course, many factors at play here which are difficult to tease out and separate). I wonder if less high defensive actions is what is leaving our now infamous gap behind the flat midfield even more exposed than normal? And also creating an instability or chaotic element in high central positions which is part of why we find it difficult to exercise control in games, hold on to leads etc? (Fatigue, limited technical ability, tactical instruction of course all play a major role here too) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Barnes23 said: I've increasingly drawn the same conclusion as you and that stat provides a really interesting data point by which to try and figure out what is actually going on. When Schar came in for him earlier in the season and kept the starting berth until injury, we looked a lot more solid and structured as a unit. We really miss that solidity on a consistent basis with Thiaw in the side (not exclusively his fault, of course, many factors at play here which are difficult to tease out and separate). I wonder if less high defensive actions is what is leaving our now infamous gap behind the flat midfield even more exposed than normal? And also creating an instability or chaotic element in high central positions which is part of why we find it difficult to exercise control in games, hold on to leads etc? (Fatigue, limited technical ability, tactical instruction of course all play a major role here too) yeah, I think the pitch always looks particularly stretched when we get counter attacked. Like we’re not compact enough. Schar would quite often be halfway into the opponents half when we have settled possession around the opponent’s box, don’t ever really see that with Thiaw. Edited March 22 by Smal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Must be a record for our quickest player to get to 50 appearances Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janpawel Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Good game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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