KaKa Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 8 minutes ago, alexf said: Stick by my original thoughts, that he's not as good as he's made out to be. People convince themselves when there is a large fee involved, just had a decent tournament for England and therefore is being hyped by media, that we are getting one of the best defenders in the world. He isn't. I think he is steady and will make the squad stronger, but he won't transform our fortunes. But for our record signing we sort of need more than that don't we? Happy to hold my hands up and be proved wrong if he helps fire us back into Champions league this season. Um ... you don't get one of the best defenders in the world for £65 million. No one is expecting that. That's a ridiculous narrative. He's a really good young defender that is established in the league, that should continue to improve, and that should be a great long term partner for Botman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Not on here necessarily, but your average Joe on the street will have high expectations of him. With the fee aswell, sometimes that can weigh heavy on a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 (edited) 'Best defender in the world' would probably be £100m+ nowaday, if the selling team was in a good position anyway. Edited August 22 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 More edging in this one than I’m used to in a transfer saga, but I’ll take it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bondedcrown Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 2 minutes ago, alexf said: Not on here necessarily, but your average Joe on the street will have high expectations of him. With the fee aswell, sometimes that can weigh heavy on a player. we are all average joes man! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Different playing style but I’d say he’s as good, well probably better, than Botman; for whom we’d be asking for a similar fee if someone came knocking. Their valuation is high but not obscenely so imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Just now, McCormick said: Different playing style but I’d say he’s as good, well probably better, than Botman; for whom we’d be asking for a similar fee if someone came knocking. Their valuation is high but not obscenely so imo. Agreed. He’s a clear upgrade on Schar for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 (edited) 2 minutes ago, McCormick said: Different playing style but I’d say he’s as good, well probably better, than Botman; for whom we’d be asking for a similar fee if someone came knocking. Their valuation is high but not obscenely so imo. Yes Botman is a great player, amazing on the ball and how he reads the game, great in the air. His one weakness and where he may struggle post ACL is speed. Guehi would compliment him perfectly in that respect but he himself is also very good on the ball and while not massively not is strong as anything against powerful strikers. With players like Kelly, Guehi, Tino teams won’t be able to do us for pace. Edited August 22 by ExiledGeordie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 hour ago, madras said: We can have several captains/leaders, but only one has the arm band. Shearer was England's captain, was Adams any less a leader ? Literally not my point, I was saying he won’t be made captain as long as Bruno is here imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 3 minutes ago, alexf said: Not on here necessarily, but your average Joe on the street will have high expectations of him. With the fee aswell, sometimes that can weigh heavy on a player. Well, we can't not go for players we like at higher fees we deem to be worth it, because some fans will be expecting them to be the best players in the world. I remember some moaning about Isak and how much we paid for him, because he 'wasn't a goal scorer', based on one season. And we've made a bunch of other clubs look complete mugs with that deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 I wonder what time Parish will appear on TalkSport. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 11 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Literally haven’t seen anyone say he’s one of the best defenders in the world Some random Palace fan joined last night and said he’s world class I think 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: I wonder what time Parish will appear on TalkSport. Cunt O’Clock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: Some random Palace fan joined last night and said he’s world class I think 😂 Steve Parish is spiking the water with his own piss down there I reckon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said: A lot of people think we’re ‘overpaying’ - Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea have all paid this sort of money for a centre back at least once (sometimes significantly more). £65m is not overpaying for a first choice England international centre back. They didn’t have FFP to contend with though. I’m not convinced by this one at all. Maybe I don’t watch enough football but before the Euros I hadn’t even heard of him. And in the Euros he didn’t stand out as anything special for me whatsoever. It does like he is now going to be coming here though so I will be delighted to be proven wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 You can’t even compare prices from 1 season to the next; the base price seemingly inches or jumps higher and higher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 9 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Some random Palace fan joined last night and said he’s world class I think 😂 I don't know about terms like world class, it's always a bit of a nonsense. But I think if Man City were signing him for £65m we wouldn't be surprised and we would probably say it's a good signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Out of interest, when was the last time he played on the right side? With Kelly, Botman & Burn we're pretty well stocked with left sided central defenders which is a bit of an anomaly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 You’d be spending 50-60m on the same version of Botman we bought. Just look at the price of Yoro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Just now, Kanji said: You’d be spending 50-60m on the same version of Botman we bought. Just look at the price of Yoro. Bad example my friend. YORO was only that price because Man United inflated the fee to stop Madrid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 (edited) 3 minutes ago, KDT said: Out of interest, when was the last time he played on the right side? With Kelly, Botman & Burn we're pretty well stocked with left sided central defenders which is a bit of an anomaly. I don't know, it will be ages because of Anderson. But he's right footed so I don't see any reason he couldn't. It's probably more because Anderson's long passing would be less effective from the other side. Edited August 22 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Wandy said: They didn’t have FFP to contend with though. I’m not convinced by this one at all. Maybe I don’t watch enough football but before the Euros I hadn’t even heard of him. And in the Euros he didn’t stand out as anything special for me whatsoever. It does like he is now going to be coming here though so I will be delighted to be proven wrong. Contrary to popular belief, every good footballer isn't only at the 'top 6' clubs. Seemingly these are the only matches most people watch. And then they complain when these clubs throw their weight around like they are more important than everyone else! This is a huge annoyance of mine. Football fans are just as culpable for these clubs and their fans being so insufferable. Edited August 22 by KaKa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 minute ago, KaKa said: Contrary to popular belief, every good footballer isn't only at the 'top 6' clubs. Seemingly these are the only matches most people watch. And then they complain when these clubs throw their weight around like they are more important than everyone else! This is a huge annoyance of mine. Football fans are just as guilty of these clubs and their fans being so insufferable. Like I say, maybe I don’t watch enough football. And Palace are definitely a club I avoid watching as they are an absolute nothing club on every level. And their home atmosphere is easily the most irritating in the league, which makes the TV experience insufferable, so if they are on the TV I definitely switch the channel. So yeah, it’s not that surprising that I don’t know much about Guehi. But I still have no recollection of his name being mentioned by anyone I know, before the Euros. I can’t help but get Stephane Guivarch vibes over this one, I’m afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 More edging than a lesbian porno. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Think we will get a confirmation of deal agreed later on today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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