Marc Guehi

[St. Maximin]

12 minutes ago, Nobody said:

But why write on this particular armband something about some religion that at best has a let's say patchy history with homosexuality? It's pretty obvious what he means by it, if he just wanted to express his love for Jesus he could have done that in a million other ways that wouldn't have downplayed the rainbow armband.

I don’t know tbh. He’s clearly a bit of an idiot if he thinks that’s a good idea, whatever his reasons. 
 

In this case I’m just saying there’s no evidence he’s saying he doesn’t agree with gay people in football. Same with multiple other cases of footballers refusing to wear it. The fact he’s still wearing it suggests maybe he does agree with more than that Ipswich player, for example, but wants to make clear he still holds his Christian values - to an extent they might still be compatible here. Saying he loves Jesus says nothing about the inclusion of gay people in football as clearly that’s nothing Jesus allegedly spoke about. 

 

 

Edited December 4, 2024 by St. Maximin

[Dr Jinx]

I really didn't think the topic of sexual preference would still be a thing in this day and age

6 minutes ago, St. Maximin said:

I don’t know tbh. He’s clearly a bit of an idiot if he thinks that’s a good idea, whatever his reasons. 
 

In this case I’m just saying there’s no evidence he’s saying he doesn’t agree with gay people in football. Same with multiple other cases of footballers refusing to wear it. The fact he’s still wearing it suggests maybe he does agree with more than that Ipswich player, for example, but wants to make clear he still holds his Christian values - to an extent they might still be compatible here. Saying he loves Jesus says nothing about the inclusion of gay people in football as clearly that’s nothing Jesus allegedly spoke about. 

 

 

 

 

But it's literally the one weekend where football bothers to show that gay people are accepted in football and he ruins it by writing "I love Jesus" across the armband that is supporting the cause.

 

What's anyone supposed to take from that other than he disagrees with the sentiment?

 

Do you think gay people should be included in sport? What are your feelings on the pride flag?

[Nobody]

4 minutes ago, St. Maximin said:

I don’t know tbh. He’s clearly a bit of an idiot if he thinks that’s a good idea, whatever his reasons. 
 

In this case I’m just saying there’s no evidence he’s saying he doesn’t agree with gay people in football. Same with multiple other cases of footballers refusing to wear it. The fact he’s still wearing it suggests maybe he does agree with more than that Ipswich player, for example, but wants to make clear he still holds his Christian values - to an extent they might still be compatible here. Saying he loves Jesus says nothing about the inclusion of gay people in football as clearly that’s nothing Jesus allegedly spoke about. 

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but it's very fanciful to not think that the reason he's written what he has on this particular armband has anything else to do other than a conflict of interest between the rainbow laces and his religion.

[St. Maximin]

5 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said:

I really didn't think the topic of sexual preference would still be a thing in this day and age

 

But it's literally the one weekend where football bothers to show that gay people are accepted in football and he ruins it by writing "I love Jesus" across the armband that is supporting the cause.

 

What's anyone supposed to take from that other than he disagrees with the sentiment?

 

Do you think gay people should be included in sport? What are your feelings on the pride flag?

I know, it's a stupid move. I've not denied that. I have just been trying to add a bit of perspective here rather than a lot of the unnecessary assumptions that have been made.

 

I've mentioned tonnes of times that the rainbow flag is interpreted differently, including within Christian and Muslim circles, of which he is in. In this case it's about inclusion, in others it's political. He may well be wary of the latter, so is feeling a bit conflicted and uncomfortable about everything. Jesus said nothing about gay people in football so to make the assumption he thinks they have no place in the sport is quite ridiculous really when you see the bigger picture.

 

As for the latter, I'm not a Christian so I don't know what it's got to do with me. Of course I think gay people should be included and I'd have no issues wearing it. I also have reservations over anyone being forced to take part in any gesture tbh - the outcry over this being one of the reasons.

[St. Maximin]

15 minutes ago, Nobody said:

I'm sorry, but it's very fanciful to not think that the reason he's written what he has on this particular armband has anything else to do other than a conflict of interest between the rainbow laces and his religion.

Mate that's my whole point. He feels there's a conflict of interest, but people are missing the bit about how the flag gets used and interpreted differently by different groups, with some seeing it as a political symbol. People have their own circumstances and attribute their own understandings to a gesture, rightly or wrongly. I really don't need to keep repeating all this tbh. 

 

I'm not saying he's got the right understanding of it. But then you could say the same about James McLean and the poppy, or taking the knee being political etc. A lot of these debates are pointless and we gain nothing by thinking the worst of people. People's actions towards a group say a lot more than whether or not they participate in a gesture they've been told to do.

 

 

 

Edited December 4, 2024 by St. Maximin

[Nobody]

6 minutes ago, St. Maximin said:

Mate that's my whole point. He feels there's a conflict of interest, but people are missing the bit about how the flag gets used and interpreted differently by different groups, with some seeing it as a political symbol. People have their own circumstances and attribute their own understandings to a gesture, rightly or wrongly. I really don't need to keep repeating all this tbh. 

 

I'm not saying he's got the right understanding of it. But then you could say the same about James McLean and the poppy, or taking the knee being political etc. A lot of these debates are pointless and we gain nothing by thinking the worst of people. People's actions towards a group say a lot more than whether or not they participate in a gesture they've been told to do.

 

 

 

 

But you can't say "we don't know why he's done it" then, because we do know why he's done it. He's done it because he feels his religion, who is against homosexuality, is more important than the rainbow cause and he felt that the world needs to know that as well. 

[St. Maximin]

5 minutes ago, Nobody said:

But you can't say "we don't know why he's done it" then, because we do know why he's done it. He's done it because he feels his religion, who is against homosexuality, is more important than the rainbow cause and he felt that the world needs to know that as well. 

I still think that's making assumptions. He may well still support both and has his own foolish way of going about it. If it was so clear his religion was more important and that he didn;t agree with the armband, he could do what the other players have done and not wear the armband at all, and still write that he loves Jesus on his shirt. And anyway we're talking about identity and religion is still very much an important part of his.

 

I get that we see things differently here but I think it's a bit of a pointless debate until we know the true intentions behind something. He's a young man who is in an uncommon position within football and handled it badly (I think we all agree that much). He might end up regretting it after all the criticism and abuse he's got over social media, based on assumptions. 

[Heron]

Marc Gueh8

[Pablo123]

On 04/12/2024 at 11:34, Dr Jinx said:

 

Yes, this cunt! Scribbling a message over a pride armband to basically tell gay people that he doesn't agree with them being a part of football is a cuntish move.

 

If i'm a wanker for believing that then so be it.

The rainbow is a symbol of God. He's never once said he disagree's with anything, so you don't need to get offended. It really shouldn't be a big deal, and you certainly aren't a wanker for having an opinion. 

 

 

[jonny1403]

40 minutes ago, Pablo123 said:

The rainbow is a symbol of God. He's never once said he disagree's with anything, so you don't need to get offended. It really shouldn't be a big deal, and you certainly aren't a wanker for having an opinion. 

 

 

 

He has obviously heavily implied he disagrees with the rainbow laces movement - how is this even up for debate?

[David Edgar]

44 minutes ago, Pablo123 said:

The rainbow is a symbol of God. He's never once said he disagree's with anything, so you don't need to get offended. It really shouldn't be a big deal, and you certainly aren't a wanker for having an opinion. 

 

 

 

Jesus fucking Christ.

[Hovagod]

48 minutes ago, Pablo123 said:

The rainbow is a symbol of God. He's never once said he disagree's with anything, so you don't need to get offended. It really shouldn't be a big deal, and you certainly aren't a wanker for having an opinion. 

 

 

There’s loads and loads of opinions that having would make somebody a wanker, including the one about god not liking gay people.

 

You would probably dislike me if in my opinion you were a thick and hateful cunt. For  example. 

[Hovagod]

On 04/12/2024 at 17:08, St. Maximin said:

I still think that's making assumptions. He may well still support both and has his own foolish way of going about it. If it was so clear his religion was more important and that he didn;t agree with the armband, he could do what the other players have done and not wear the armband at all, and still write that he loves Jesus on his shirt. And anyway we're talking about identity and religion is still very much an important part of his.

 

I get that we see things differently here but I think it's a bit of a pointless debate until we know the true intentions behind something. He's a young man who is in an uncommon position within football and handled it badly (I think we all agree that much). He might end up regretting it after all the criticism and abuse he's got over social media, based on assumptions. 

He hasn’t said anything has he? If I were him and not a homophobic arsehole, I would just put up a thing on Insta stating that and my reasons for putting the message on the armband. And apologising for my father’s comments which misstated my actual intentions. 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, Pablo123 said:

The rainbow is a symbol of God. He's never once said he disagree's with anything, so you don't need to get offended. It really shouldn't be a big deal, and you certainly aren't a wanker for having an opinion. 

 

 

The rainbow in this instance is obviously not a symbol of god, and he wilfully defaced it to scrawl childish shite about Jesus on it.

 

All he had to do was what the Ipswich captain did and not wear one.  Guehi is a complete wanker for doing what he did. 

[Pablo123]

1 hour ago, Hovagod said:

There’s loads and loads of opinions that having would make somebody a wanker, including the one about god not liking gay people.

 

You would probably dislike me if in my opinion you were a thick and hateful cunt. For  example. 

Why would I hate you for having your own opinion?

 

Don't know what I've said that was hateful,tbh. 

[Pablo123]

41 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

The rainbow in this instance is obviously not a symbol of god, and he wilfully defaced it to scrawl childish shite about Jesus on it.

 

All he had to do was what the Ipswich captain did and not wear one.  Guehi is a complete wanker for doing what he did. 

He didn't have to do anything. I'd have worn it personally, but each to their own.

[LiquidAK]

It's every player's right to refuse to wear the armband if they don't agree with the message (just as it's our right to think they're a hateful cunt for doing so).

 

However, publicly supporting the message that the armband represents (that everyone regardless of sexual orientation is welcome at a football match) is something that a captain has to do regardless of their personal beliefs. They need to set aside whatever their own view on it is and support the inclusive message that the club and the league have signed up to.

If they can't do that, they shouldn't be captain. They're not being forced - if they accept the captaincy this comes along with it and if that's a dealbreaker for them, they aren't captain material.

[Ronson333]

A lot of recent signup’s on this topic..

[KennyUtd]

1 hour ago, Hovagod said:

He hasn’t said anything has he? If I were him and not a homophobic arsehole, I would just put up a thing on Insta stating that and my reasons for putting the message on the armband. And apologising for my father’s comments which misstated my actual intentions. 

He has. He said he wanted to say Jesus loves everyone and he loves Jesus and never intended to disrespect anyone. Fair enough I think.

[KennyUtd]

3 minutes ago, KennyUtd said:

He has. He said he wanted to say Jesus loves everyone and he loves Jesus and never intended to disrespect anyone. Fair enough I think.

I take that back. It was dad who commented. My mistake. 😬

[WilliamPS]

The FA totally bottled the England team wearing the rainbow armbands in Qatar so it would be a bit two faced of them to punish someone else for what they do with it. They had their chance to make a stand and decided it wasn’t important enough for them.

 

 

Edited December 6, 2024 by WilliamPS

[Checko]

As far as I can see there's two reasons for him to write 'Jesus loves you' on the rainbow armband:

 

1. To extra emphasise his support for gay people. It's not just him supporing them, it's God too.

 

2. To publically message that he's a Christian and so signal that he doesn't actually support Pride.

 

Let's be realistic here, it's 2. 'God loves the man He just hates the act' is the classic way it's put. 'No we're not being hateful or discriminating against you, because as we said, Jesus loves you. Yes I think you're going to hell, even though you're not actually negatively affecting anyone in any way, but Jesus still loves you so we're cool. You just need to change a fundamental thing about yourself to avoid all-powerful God condeming you to eternal damnation but He still loves you. Clearly.'

 

 

Edited December 6, 2024 by Checko

[Heron]

3 hours ago, David Edgar said:

 

Jesus fucking Christ.

I hope not. His Daddy will not tolerate it.

[Heron]

2 hours ago, LiquidAK said:

It's every player's right to refuse to wear the armband if they don't agree with the message (just as it's our right to think they're a hateful cunt for doing so).

 

However, publicly supporting the message that the armband represents (that everyone regardless of sexual orientation is welcome at a football match) is something that a captain has to do regardless of their personal beliefs. They need to set aside whatever their own view on it is and support the inclusive message that the club and the league have signed up to.

If they can't do that, they shouldn't be captain. They're not being forced - if they accept the captaincy this comes along with it and if that's a dealbreaker for them, they aren't captain material.

It doesn't mean they aren't captain material. Just not captain material for that organisation.

[LiquidAK]

3 minutes ago, Heron said:

It doesn't mean they aren't captain material. Just not captain material for that organisation.

Not really sure on the distinction there. If he can't back that message without diluting it then he shouldn't captain a premier league team - representing the club in that way is part of the job. It's not a comment on his leadership ability.