Marc Guehi

[KaKa]

6 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

@KaKayup long list of clubs in the q to sign him.

 

Aston Villa

Newcastle

Inter Milan

AC Milan

Crystal Palace

Fulham

West Ham

Manchester United

 

Have all been said to have shown some interest this summer to varying degrees.

[r0cafella]

Just now, KaKa said:

 

Aston Villa

Newcastle

Inter Milan

AC Milan

Crystal Palace

Fulham

West Ham

Manchester United

 

Have all been said to have shown some interest this summer to varying degrees.

This is all rumours of which most of them will be absolutely bullshit as you know. 
 

and to reiterate my original point, he doesn’t make sense unless your willing to commit to him as your first choice moving forward something which none of our rivals would. I know you rate a lot of players but you have to consider all of the factors when signing players and this would be a very expensive squad player. We are aiming to be competing in the champions league on a regular basis and for me he doesn’t hit the mark. 

[Stottie]

Chelsea and Liverpool have just missed targets after talks, so there is no shame in the current state of play and "it looks bad/wasted energy" should not be a motivation to change our approach. This is also not an indication of poor target selection or poor negotiating skills.

 

I would also stress that what we are after is not Marc Guehi but a Marc Guehi who has been trained to play in our system. This may be superior to any Marc Guehi anyone has ever seen so far on a football pitch. We are paying for the player as is and for what our folks think is his potential as an NUFC player. Most people coming up with valuations are doing so on the value they've seen in Guehi so far as a Palace and England player.

[McCormick]

Chalobah isn’t bad but he’s certainly a step down from Guehi. I suppose the asking prices would reflect the quality difference too though.

[andycap]

Is it me or has parish got massive hands like goalkeeper? Couldn't stop looking at them 😂 them foam wrestling hands spring to mind. 

[JP]

16 minutes ago, STM said:

 

Absolutely. 

 

He's not a generational talent like Parish suggested but he's the sort of signing that sends a message to future potential signings.

 

I don't want us to just make the sort of signings that West Ham or even Villa are doing.

 

We need to continue to show that we have ambitions above and beyond and missing out on top targets because of a couple of million doesn't do that.

 

On the other hand, if they decide it's too much, I will back them. They know what they are doing.

 

Agree with this.

 

Pep said in his press conference the other day that City have walked away from countless players as the selling club valued them too highly in £ terms.

 

The best of the best do it.

 

Pay everything that both selling clubs and players want in wages and you become a toxic Manchester United mess.

 

[andycap]

8 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

This is all rumours of which most of them will be absolutely bullshit as you know. 
 

and to reiterate my original point, he doesn’t make sense unless your willing to commit to him as your first choice moving forward something which none of our rivals would. I know you rate a lot of players but you have to consider all of the factors when signing players and this would be a very expensive squad player. We are aiming to be competing in the champions league on a regular basis and for me he doesn’t hit the mark. 

Chalobah would maybe only be a squad player for a year then he'd be our starting right centre half. 

He's obviously a good player with the interest shown in him. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, andycap said:

Chalobah would maybe only be a squad player for a year then he'd be our starting right centre half. 

He's obviously a good player with the interest shown in him. 

You believe he’s good enough to be our starting centre half with the ambitions we have? Fair play if so. 

[andycap]

5 minutes ago, JP said:

 

Agree with this.

 

Pep said in his press conference the other day that City have walked away from countless players as the selling club valued them too highly in £ terms.

 

The best of the best do it.

 

Pay everything that both selling clubs and players want in wages and you become a toxic Manchester United mess.

 

Cucurella was one of them players he was talking about. 

 

 

Edited August 14, 2024 by andycap

[andycap]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

You believe he’s good enough to be our starting centre half with the ambitions we have? Fair play if so. 

Yeah i do lad why not? 

He'll improve with our coaching. 

[Froggy]

4 minutes ago, JP said:

Pay everything that both selling clubs and players want in wages and you become a toxic Manchester United mess.

 

But bring in a transfer structure and negotiate with clubs, and your offers are seen as derisory and you're a toxic Manchester United mess.

[Upthemags]

8 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

This is all rumours of which most of them will be absolutely bullshit as you know. 
 

and to reiterate my original point, he doesn’t make sense unless your willing to commit to him as your first choice moving forward something which none of our rivals would. I know you rate a lot of players but you have to consider all of the factors when signing players and this would be a very expensive squad player. We are aiming to be competing in the champions league on a regular basis and for me he doesn’t hit the mark. 

I think the Guehi hype has clouded some judgment in here - yours included. Guehi had a nice tournament, but at this stage in their careers, its unclear who would be a more successful long term solution at CB. Chalobah is just a year older than Guehi, and arguably had a better season in more limited playing time than Guehi. All of which is evidenced by Chelsea fans' reluctance to let him go/frustration at his mistreatment at the club.

[Matt1892]

Just now, r0cafella said:

You believe he’s good enough to be our starting centre half with the ambitions we have? Fair play if so. 

He was good enough to start for Chelsea last season when fit and they finished above us, they only lost once when he started after returning from injury.

 

What we should be aiming for is at least 2 players in each position who are good enough to start for us if needed, so we can buy another RCB next summer presuming Schar isn’t going to carry on forever.

[r0cafella]

Just now, andycap said:

Yeah i do lad why not? 

He'll improve with our coaching. 

Fair enough, yes he will improve from average to good. 
 

I want Eddie spending time coaching players from good to excellent though. 
 

As mentioned, if I’m holding us to our stated ambitions we need to aim higher than Chelsea’s fourth choice right centre back. 

[KaKa]

10 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

This is all rumours of which most of them will be absolutely bullshit as you know. 
 

and to reiterate my original point, he doesn’t make sense unless your willing to commit to him as your first choice moving forward something which none of our rivals would. I know you rate a lot of players but you have to consider all of the factors when signing players and this would be a very expensive squad player. We are aiming to be competing in the champions league on a regular basis and for me he doesn’t hit the mark. 

 

Just rumours. Okay. Well we'll see where he ends up and how he does.

 

Seems to me players with hype behind them are the ones that are always highly rated and deemed good enough for competing in the champions league.

 

I'm not convinced you've really paid much attention to Chalobah when he's played.

 

This is how clubs like Palace end up with Guehi in the first place and then trying to get these players later on is a big palava.

[The Prophet]

Was the third bid rejected? Mokbel reported it was the assumption off the back of the interview, but wasn't definitive. 

[Chapo]

Didn’t want him anyway, we banished all the dwarfs from the club after Ashworth. 

[andycap]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Fair enough, yes he will improve from average to good. 
 

I want Eddie spending time coaching players from good to excellent though. 
 

As mentioned, if I’m holding us to our stated ambitions we need to aim higher than Chelsea’s fourth choice right centre back. 

I disagree on his quality lad so we aren't gonna agree on this. 

[TheBrownBottle]

Absolutely nowt from local hack gobshites then?  When Ornstein reported the initial bid they all started blathering about it - I’ve seen nothing since the third bid was rejected.  

[andycap]

2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Was the third bid rejected? Mokbel reported it was the assumption off the back of the interview, but wasn't definitive. 

I think so mate. 

[Upthemags]

1 minute ago, andycap said:

I disagree on his quality lad so we aren't gonna agree on this. 

Calling a highly rated CB from a big 6 club with interest from Inter "average" is taking the piss tbh

[andycap]

Just now, Upthemags said:

Calling a highly rated CB from a big 6 club with interest from Inter "average" is taking the piss tbh

I agree mate. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, KaKa said:

 

Just rumours. Okay. Well we'll see where he ends up and how he does.

 

Seems to me players with hype behind them are the ones that are always highly rated and deemed good enough for competing in the champions league.

 

I'm not convinced you've really paid much attention to Chalobah when he's played.

 

This is how clubs like Palace end up with Guehi in the first place and then trying to get these players later on is a big palava.

He’s never stood out to me, when I’ve seen him. Again I don’t think he’s bad but I don’t think he’s elite or has the potential to be so. 
 

I’m not sure what hype has to do with it mind, I’m one of the first to say I think Guehi is too expensive for us. 
 

I see this one of two ways personally from a FFP squad building composition. 
 

1: your going high for a Guehi type (if not better, your basically dislodging Schar and are willing to pay the premium to do so. 
 

2: your happy with Schar for this season and are looking for a player to come in with high ceiling to learn this season and really compete next season (think Tino, think Hall and think Gordon). 
 

This is how I think about it. 

[Toonjam88]

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

Was the third bid rejected? Mokbel reported it was the assumption off the back of the interview, but wasn't definitive. 

I think from what Parish said we can reasonably assume it has been rejected. 
I actually think it sounded like they didn’t even respond to us and the first we heard it wasn’t enough was in that interview which if it is the case I would walk away and leave old Lego hair to it. 

[simonsays]

19 minutes ago, andycap said:

Is it me or has parish got massive hands like goalkeeper? Couldn't stop looking at them 😂 them foam wrestling hands spring to mind. 

Yeah. I was watching thinking I bet that fella is a hell of a guitar player!