[League Cup Final] Newcastle United Vs. Liverpool - 16/03/25 @ 16:30 (Live on ITV & Sky)

[lovejoy]

9 hours ago, bobbydazzla said:

In many cases the only difference between a member who goes to every home game and a season ticket holder who goes to every home game, is likely to be that one person was willing to continue going under Ashley and the other person wasn’t   

 

And now we’ve got a completely segregated system, where the ones who continued under Ashley hold all the cards and the ones who didn’t aren’t allowed a seat at the table, or even an opportunity to get a seat at the table 

 

Giving less than 1000 tickets to members (and not even prioritising any of them) out of an allocation of 32,000 is brutal and simply spotlights the shit attitude of the club towards members  

 

I have nothing against season ticket holders (apart from the miserable ones that choose to continually piss and moan in the ground), but the club need to do something to give more balance to the fanbase

 

It’s 3.5 years since we got rid of the fat parasitic cunt and they’ve still done nothing at all to recognise members whose attendance at games makes them just as “loyal” as most of our ST holders. We get charged a £40 fee to buy tickets game by game and get sweet fuck all else 

 

 

 

but where do you stop? There’s not a chance a member who’s attended one home game (for example) should be getting a ticket ahead of an ST holder. 
 

Unless you start to categorise members based on attendance (how many ‘pots’ are we going to have?) then you can’t put members in the same bracket as ST holders, IMO.

[lovejoy]

Btw I missed out on a ticket due to an error (by me) on my cup scheme. So I went in to pot 6 when I would have been in pot 1.

 

i think the club got it spot on, personally. Even though I didn’t get one.

[bobbydazzla]

15 minutes ago, lovejoy said:

but where do you stop? There’s not a chance a member who’s attended one home game (for example) should be getting a ticket ahead of an ST holder. 
 

Unless you start to categorise members based on attendance (how many ‘pots’ are we going to have?) then you can’t put members in the same bracket as ST holders, IMO.

For the purposes of the cup final they could’ve categorised members by attendance, like they did for ST’s 

 

You went to all cup games, you get a better chance of a ticket than someone who only applied for 1 x ballot. Or a season ticket holder who went to no cup games 

 

But the cup final tickets isn’t the big issue. It’s just emphasised that we have a completely segregated system. The “have’s” and “can never have’s”. An apartheid, for want of a better word. 

 

I want them to set up a membership scheme like Chelsea’s, where member attendance throughout the season is rewarded with points and points give you priorities, similar principle to our away game allocations.
 

And “loyal” members earn their chance of a season ticket, or having the same priority as someone with a season ticket if we never sell any ever again. 

 

Ultimately, members need a ladder that allows them to elevate their position if they attend games

 

 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 07:20 by bobbydazzla

[bobbydazzla]

19 minutes ago, lovejoy said:

Btw I missed out on a ticket due to an error (by me) on my cup scheme. So I went in to pot 6 when I would have been in pot 1.

 

i think the club got it spot on, personally. Even though I didn’t get one.

That’s a shame you missed out, and I say that genuinely, but if you made the error that’s your fault. No-one else put you in Pot 6 but you 

 

I got Pot 6 because the club view me (who never misses a home league or cup game) as being exactly the same as someone who has only ever applied for 1x cup ballot and might not even have been to a game in their lives

 

And there’s nothing I can do about that 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 07:25 by bobbydazzla

[NEEJ]

Bobbydazzla for president. 

[patrone]

34 minutes ago, lovejoy said:

Btw I missed out on a ticket due to an error (by me) on my cup scheme. So I went in to pot 6 when I would have been in pot 1.

 

i think the club got it spot on, personally. Even though I didn’t get one.

That's some error that like 🤦

[bobbydazzla]

5 minutes ago, NEEJ said:

Bobbydazzla for president. 

Let me just clear my internet search history and then we’re good to go 

[TheBrownBottle]

2 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Let me just clear my internet search history and then we’re good to go 

That doesn’t seem to matter for the US presidency these days - so you keep your xhamster bookmarks mate.  I’ll vote for you 👍 

[magorific]

45 minutes ago, lovejoy said:

but where do you stop? There’s not a chance a member who’s attended one home game (for example) should be getting a ticket ahead of an ST holder. 
 

Unless you start to categorise members based on attendance (how many ‘pots’ are we going to have?) then you can’t put members in the same bracket as ST holders, IMO.

What about categorising members based on how many ballots they’ve applied for? I was a s-t holder until Ashley was binned off and I’ve applied for all but one of the home games since the system was introduced. Games attended? One.

Another thing I used to do, in addition to holding a s-t, was sing at matches. I also never booed a Newcastle player off the pitch…

[Tross]

1 hour ago, magorific said:

What about categorising members based on how many ballots they’ve applied for? I was a s-t holder until Ashley was binned off and I’ve applied for all but one of the home games since the system was introduced. Games attended? One.

Another thing I used to do, in addition to holding a s-t, was sing at matches. I also never booed a Newcastle player off the pitch…

 

I finally wrapped when Bruce was appointed as manager, I sang at matches and booed aplenty. 

[Interpolic]

3 hours ago, lovejoy said:

Unless you start to categorise members based on attendance

 

That is what people are suggesting. How is it fair for members who attend every game to get thrown into that pot?

 

They got zero recognition for all the games they went to, unlike STHs. And they paid more money, spent more time, created more inconvenience for themselves in the process. 

[Interpolic]

12 hours ago, LFEE said:

 

Touts probably the most successful buyers disguised as members. Probably 100% success. Nothing to do with “attending”. Attendance is irrelevant on the metrics.

 

Same argument i get could be used against someone with an ST abusing it. 

 

What I’m saying is there are for more of the former than latter so thats probably why they went with what they did. Also if caught they’ve score retrieving an ST that they can convert to General.

 

Why is this an issue for us and not for the likes Liverpool, do you think? Do we have a bigger problem with touting? Genuine question. 

[Earp]

Why can’t STH benefits simply extend to a guaranteed ticket for every home game for the reduced ticket price that a ST brings? 

[Hovagod]

1 minute ago, Earp said:

Why can’t STH benefits simply extend to a guaranteed ticket for every home game for the reduced ticket price that a ST brings? 

Well, likewise, why should buying a ticket for a home game qualify the buyer for anything other than access to that home game?

[Interpolic]

18 minutes ago, Hovagod said:

Well, likewise, why should buying a ticket for a home game qualify the buyer for anything other than access to that home game?

 

But this doesn't apply to the almighty STH? We're going around in circles

[Hovagod]

7 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

 

But this doesn't apply to the almighty STH? We're going around in circles

A season ticket holder who didn’t go to cup games got put into Pot 6. Only season ticket holders who went to cup games got any advantage. I think members got a shit deal in general but not to the advantage of season ticket holders. 

 

Season ticket holders are supporters who have paid lots of money over a large period of time to continue going to games, often in fallow times. This is what is being recognised when they get priority in cup fixtures. It’s a pretty basic tenant of most if not all clubs’ ticketing arrangements and for obvious reasons. 
 

The real issue here is putting all the members into the same draw. That is what is unfair, and it’s just laziness on the part of the club. 

[bobbydazzla]

Right, take a look at this info down below. Simplicity, transparency and specific details from LFC into how tickets were allocated.

 

Forget about the "well I might have missed out and I go to x amount of games so that's not fair" mindset and just look at the communication. It's a world away from our shitshow. 

 

I'm not even saying we should replicate LFC, I'm just amazed that two teams being given the same amount of tickets to play in the same ground on the same day can have such different approaches.

 

LFC are engaged with their fans, are communicating clearly and making it simple. Even though their outcome won't please everyone.

 

NUFC is just confusing, over complicated and lacking any transparency. With 31,000 out of the 32,000 tickets boxed off for ST's, when ST's have already been boxed off for 3.5 years.

 

 

From the LFC website:

 

Entry Criteria: Season Ticket Holders and Members who have attended two (2) prior games in this season's Carabao Cup competition (home or away) only.

 

Liverpool FC can confirm qualifying supporters who registered for the Carabao Cup final ticket ballot had a 54 per cent chance of being successful, with almost three-quarters of the club’s allocation going to general supporters.

 

Since the ballot opened last Tuesday (February 11), 35,993 qualifying fans registered to be in with a chance of securing a ticket for the match against Newcastle United at Wembley.

The ballot is managed independently, with each booking having an equal chance of being selected.

Fans were notified of the outcome of the ballot today, with successful supporters then able to purchase their tickets from 11am on Friday (February 21).

The club received a full ticket allocation of 32,210 tickets for this fixture, which will be played at 4.30pm GMT on Sunday March 16.

The chances of being successful in this year’s ballot have decreased by six per cent compared to last season – this is due to more supporters qualifying for the guaranteed sale as a result of the club having more away games and slightly higher allocations at those away games, compared to last season.

Despite this change in the breakdown of the ticket allocation, overall the percentage of tickets made available to our general supporter base has remained static at 73 per cent.

 

The breakdown of LFC’s full ticket allocation is:

General supporter allocation: 73 per cent - the same as the 2024 Carabao Cup final

Contractual supporter allocation; to include seasonal hospitality members and priority rights holders: 17 per cent

Matchday officials/first-team players/media: nine per cent

Commercial partners – contractual obligations: one per cent

 

 

[mattypnufc]

I'd definitely say our lack of being in finals and experience dealing with such things is a big contributing factor mind.  Not giving them excuses, but after so long of not even needing to think about any of it and some of the box office staff being older than me gran, its no suprise its a shit show.  

 

Less of one this time round despite my bitterness about it. 

[Dr.Spaceman]

What was confusing about our ticketing process for the final? You went to more cup games = you were entered into a higher priority pot.

[Hovagod]

Just now, mattypnufc said:

I'd definitely say our lack of being in finals and experience dealing with such things is a big contributing factor mind.  Not giving them excuses, but after so long of not even needing to think about any of it and some of the box office staff being older than me gran, its no suprise its a shit show.  

 

Less of one this time round despite my bitterness about it. 

I will also say that our season ticket holders (minus one thousand) bought and kept on their ticket in circumstances way removed from Liverpool’s. I don’t understand why it’s an issue that that loyalty gets rewarded (to a limited extent- pisser for anybody who has a season ticket but can’t make midweek games). 
 

@bobbydazzla Is spot on to point out that members who went to each cup game got shafted. I don’t really know how to solve that issue. But I don’t see why season ticket holders who went to cup games should be the ones to lose out.

[Sima]

2 minutes ago, mattypnufc said:

I'd definitely say our lack of being in finals and experience dealing with such things is a big contributing factor mind.  Not giving them excuses, but after so long of not even needing to think about any of it and some of the box office staff being older than me gran, its no suprise its a shit show.  

 

Less of one this time round despite my bitterness about it. 

 

It's the changing of the criteria from 2023 that was the most galling.  If they kept the same criteria as then, members would have got a better crack of the whip.

 

Appreciate that there wasn't a cup scheme last time.

[Interpolic]

45 minutes ago, Hovagod said:

Well, likewise, why should buying a ticket for a home game qualify the buyer for anything other than access to that home game?

 

14 minutes ago, Hovagod said:

The real issue here is putting all the members into the same draw. That is what is unfair, and it’s just laziness on the part of the club. 

 

To me these are 2 completely conflicting statements, fair enough if I've misunderstood.

[Hovagod]

2 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

 

 

To me these are 2 completely conflicting statements, fair enough if I've misunderstood.

The original question was why should a season ticket give the holder anything other than access to each home game.

 

I don’t agree with that logic and to demonstrate I reversed the question but in relation to members buying tickets. 
 

I think season ticket holders should get priority, and I think people who attend cup games as members should as well. 

[bobbydazzla]

8 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

What was confusing about our ticketing process for the final? You went to more cup games = you were entered into a higher priority pot.

 

Howay man, you can't possibly be serious. There's millions of billions of posts on here from people who were confused about what the process involved and their likelihood of getting a ticket

[Anderson]

13 hours ago, bobbydazzla said:

In many cases the only difference between a member who goes to every home game and a season ticket holder who goes to every home game, is likely to be that one person was willing to continue going under Ashley and the other person wasn’t   

 

And now we’ve got a completely segregated system, where the ones who continued under Ashley hold all the cards and the ones who didn’t aren’t allowed a seat at the table, or even an opportunity to get a seat at the table 

 

Giving less than 1000 tickets to members (and not even prioritising any of them) out of an allocation of 32,000 is brutal and simply spotlights the shit attitude of the club towards members  

 

I have nothing against season ticket holders (apart from the miserable ones that choose to continually piss and moan in the ground), but the club need to do something to give more balance to the fanbase

 

It’s 3.5 years since we got rid of the fat parasitic cunt and they’ve still done nothing at all to recognise members whose attendance at games makes them just as “loyal” as most of our ST holders. We get charged a £40 fee to buy tickets game by game and get sweet fuck all else 

 

I reckon there's a decent chunk of season tickets who either didn't have one previously or, as in my case, had given them up under Ashley and then nipped back in at the beginning of the takeover season. A mixture of Covid restrictions lifting, so just being glad to have an excuse to get out again, and rolling the dice with all the talk of the takeover. Very much how it played out for me and my old man, he'd had ST since before I was born, I'd been going since Robson's last season. Both got binned off a while back under Ashley, but thought we'd take a 1 season gamble in the hopes the takeover went through.