[League Cup Final] Newcastle United Vs. Liverpool - 16/03/25 @ 16:30 (Live on ITV & Sky)

[STM]

The real sad part is the dad bit, that means there are likely a couple of 20 year old fuckwits knocking about with hereditary aids opinions on NUFC.

[Fak]

3 hours ago, Groundhog63 said:

Need a @Kaizero essay on penis size and how it makes little difference in pleasuring one's, female, partner in the sack

 

Do you measure from the base or from the balls?

[Magdad]

7 hours ago, Stifler said:

Season ticket holders have the right to buy their own seat for cup games at home, not away games or those at neutral venue.

The club have even narrowed this down a bit more with the cup scheme.

Sorry like, but those who went to cup games should be priority over those who didn’t.

 

For as much as you think everyone should have jumped on Baird because it was obvious the takeover was going to happen, surely 2 years after going to 1 final, being owned by owners with ambition, and the way the team has built up results, surely you could see another final was coming so therefor season ticket holders should have grabbed the earlier rounds as well?

 

It always amazes me on here when you get a season ticket holder kick off at non-season ticket holders, declaring themselves more loyal etc. All whilst being at the match and waving the flags. Oh yeah, do you know why they were not there for the final years of Ashley? Because many of the people back then jacked in their season tickets.

You have the East stand which is full of season ticket holders and has an atmosphere that I can only describe as what a Post Office in a Library would be like.

 

We can sit here all day arguing over who’s right and wrong, was walking away the right thing to do. Fact is people who are on both sides fucking love this club. We could fill Wembley twice over, and if we are going to try and give the limited amount of ticket as fairly as possible, then the people who went in the earlier rounds should be given priority over those who didn’t, season ticket or not.

The whole issue is with the membership scheme. It would be better with the old first come first served method.

 

issue with that is you then had people complain that they couldn’t buy tickets as they went on sale when they were at work. So they changed it (not certain but think this was a suggestion from NUST)

 

the club simply can’t keep everybody happy. 
 

Last time some season ticket holders got shafted by sitting with mates in earlier rounds when you could select seats. This time around their being shafted if the legit forwarded a ticket on to swap seats thinking it was being done properly this time.

 

My issue is the constant moaning on here that season ticket holders are treated better than members…….. And members need same rites to finals etc. that’s crazy talk. Yes some people go to every games - great, but most members are lucky to get to 3 so you can’t make a few more important than the rest simply because they can have the time and means to log on with a load of devices on different browsers. 
 

The cup scheme should have ended all talk of who gets priority access. If anything it’s made it worse. 
 

what everybody should be angry at is the amount of corporate tickets that are given out. 
 

If the new stadium is big enough just get rid of season tickets and loyalty points and have everyone pay as you go on first come first served. 

[Interpolic]

28 minutes ago, Magdad said:

My issue is the constant moaning on here that season ticket holders are treated better than members…….. And members need same rites to finals etc. that’s crazy talk. Yes some people go to every games - great, but most members are lucky to get to 3 so you can’t make a few more important than the rest simply because they can have the time and means to log on with a load of devices on different browsers. 

 

Why is it crazy talk? There are people spending countless hours, more money and subjecting themselves to more hassle than STHs who pay (less) once a year then sit on their arse knowing they have a ticket. If it's so crazy why are other clubs doing it? 

 

Then you say the cup scheme should have ended all arguments, again this is only open to STHs. I'll remind you season tickets are a closed shop and have been for many years, there's no way in for active members. 

 

You want active members to just commit themselves to additional expense, time and hassle, with zero recognition for doing so, indefinitely? 

 

Then you say you think we should have zero season ticket holders in a new ground, that's gonna be fun selling 65k tickets match by match and every fucker having to find their seat each match. And I'm sure the almighty STHs would stand for it with no issues. 

 

You've wound your neck in a bit from last night's embarrassment but you're still full of shit. 

[bobbydazzla]

37 minutes ago, Magdad said:

The whole issue is with the membership scheme. It would be better with the old first come first served method.

 

issue with that is you then had people complain that they couldn’t buy tickets as they went on sale when they were at work. So they changed it (not certain but think this was a suggestion from NUST)

 

the club simply can’t keep everybody happy. 
 

Last time some season ticket holders got shafted by sitting with mates in earlier rounds when you could select seats. This time around their being shafted if the legit forwarded a ticket on to swap seats thinking it was being done properly this time.

 

My issue is the constant moaning on here that season ticket holders are treated better than members…….. And members need same rites to finals etc. that’s crazy talk. Yes some people go to every games - great, but most members are lucky to get to 3 so you can’t make a few more important than the rest simply because they can have the time and means to log on with a load of devices on different browsers. 
 

The cup scheme should have ended all talk of who gets priority access. If anything it’s made it worse. 
 

what everybody should be angry at is the amount of corporate tickets that are given out. 
 

If the new stadium is big enough just get rid of season tickets and loyalty points and have everyone pay as you go on first come first served. 

 

 

 

[pinkeye]

Wholly my own opinion here.

 

There seems to be some growing resentment coming from none season ticket holders towards those that do have season tickets, it started quite tamely but, is escalating quickly to a critisism that we somehow supported Ashley and enjoyed being managed by Steve Bruce.

 

I have had a season ticket for so many years that I stopped counting.  However, my point is that when Rafa left and Bruce was appointed I chucked my ticket in.  It was my understanding that a majority of others were going to do the same.  Seems that it was just a handful in the end.  I was on a fixed 10 year (which seems to have become endless) deal and was paying hardly anything in reality.  As the talk of the takeover was really gathering pace I asked my son and my dad if they wanted to get tickets again, initially it would be just for one season to see what happened with the takeover etc.  Of course no 10 year deal prices were available, I pay close to double the amount others are paying who sit near to me.  Anyway as things turned out it was the best thing I could have done and a few short months into that season it all happened.  It also happened that when I bought my season tickets back that would also be the last time season tickets would be available to buy.  I feel incredibly lucky for those circumstances to have rolled out for me in the way that they did.

 

I feel heartily sorry for the ones who want to go to the match but, have the issues to buy tickets.  It would be great if it was better or we had a bigger stadium or something but, we don't.  I am not quite sure what else I want to say other than being a season ticket holder does not make me feel superior to anyone that doesn't.  It makes me feel grateful and somewhat lucky...

[huss9]

5 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

So you're saying the people who backed Mike Ashley are really the best fans? 

keeping a season ticket to watch your club no matter how shit its gotten does not equate to backing mike ashley.

this fucks me off no end. 

only supafans jacked their ST's in did they?

[Bellis80]

20 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

 

Why is it crazy talk? There are people spending countless hours, more money and subjecting themselves to more hassle than STHs who pay (less) once a year then sit on their arse knowing they have a ticket. If it's so crazy why are other clubs doing it? 

 

Then you say the cup scheme should have ended all arguments, again this is only open to STHs. I'll remind you season tickets are a closed shop and have been for many years, there's no way in for active members. 

 

You want active members to just commit themselves to additional expense, time and hassle, with zero recognition for doing so, indefinitely? 

 

Then you say you think we should have zero season ticket holders in a new ground, that's gonna be fun selling 65k tickets match by match and every fucker having to find their seat each match. And I'm sure the almighty STHs would stand for it with no issues. 

 

You've wound your neck in a bit from last night's embarrassment but you're still full of shit. 

Other clubs do it because it makes more money and they don’t have many season ticket holders so they can offer an attractive membership that can offer cup final tickets. We have more or as many as any cup final allocation so can’t do it.

 

Season tickets are cheaper because you’re paying for every game months in advance with no idea what day or time the game will be.

 

i understand why people who gave up season tickets and are still desperate to go to games aren’t happy, and there should be a way of putting them ahead if more season tickets come up, but they knew exactly how the system worked. It’s the reason most people kept them when it was no fun going.

[bobbydazzla]

35 minutes ago, pinkeye said:

Wholly my own opinion here.

 

There seems to be some growing resentment coming from none season ticket holders towards those that do have season tickets, it started quite tamely but, is escalating quickly to a critisism that we somehow supported Ashley and enjoyed being managed by Steve Bruce.

 

I have had a season ticket for so many years that I stopped counting.  However, my point is that when Rafa left and Bruce was appointed I chucked my ticket in.  It was my understanding that a majority of others were going to do the same.  Seems that it was just a handful in the end.  I was on a fixed 10 year (which seems to have become endless) deal and was paying hardly anything in reality.  As the talk of the takeover was really gathering pace I asked my son and my dad if they wanted to get tickets again, initially it would be just for one season to see what happened with the takeover etc.  Of course no 10 year deal prices were available, I pay close to double the amount others are paying who sit near to me.  Anyway as things turned out it was the best thing I could have done and a few short months into that season it all happened.  It also happened that when I bought my season tickets back that would also be the last time season tickets would be available to buy.  I feel incredibly lucky for those circumstances to have rolled out for me in the way that they did.

 

I feel heartily sorry for the ones who want to go to the match but, have the issues to buy tickets.  It would be great if it was better or we had a bigger stadium or something but, we don't.  I am not quite sure what else I want to say other than being a season ticket holder does not make me feel superior to anyone that doesn't.  It makes me feel grateful and somewhat lucky...

 

 

I try very hard not to type anything that could wrongly be interpreted as criticism of someone who has an ST.

I have no resentment of people who have ST's. They chose to keep going under Ashley, others didn't. Both sides had their valid reasons and it's all in the past.

 

But I'm annoyingly vocal about wanting to improve the situation members are currently in.

And some ST's interpret this is as criticism of them. It absolutely isn't. I just feel strongly that we need a more balanced approach to prioritising the match going fanbase after 5 seasons of new ownership and a closed shop ST situation.

 

At the moment 31,000 people with ST's from pre-2021 get almost all of the recognition from the club. Everyone else is left to feed off scraps, no matter how much or little effort they put into following NUFC.

 

I think the club somehow bringing members closer to ST's (however this can be done) is a good thing. That's just my strong opinion.

 

And I'm not even pissed off I missed out on a Wembley ticket. I was in a huff for about 24 hours when the criteria were announced but then accepted I had virtually no chance and made other plans

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[Interpolic]

4 minutes ago, Bellis80 said:

Other clubs do it because it makes more money and they don’t have many season ticket holders so they can offer an attractive membership that can offer cup final tickets. We have more or as many as any cup final allocation so can’t do it.

 

Liverpool have 27k season ticket holders versus our 32k (Google). There's not a huge difference.

 

So you get the unfair situation we've been debating for weeks - that active members who are attending most or all games (often including all cup games) were thrown in the same pot for <1k tickets as STHs who attended no cup games and members who'd applied for one cup ballot. In the pots above them you had STHs who attended 5/4/3/2/1 league cup games. 

[Earp]

13 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

 

I try very hard not to type anything that could wrongly be interpreted as criticism of someone who has an ST.

I have no resentment of people who have ST's. They chose to keep going under Ashley, others didn't. Both sides had their valid reasons and it's all in the past.

 

But I'm annoyingly vocal about wanting to improve the situation members are currently in.

And some ST's interpret this is as criticism of them. It absolutely isn't. I just feel strongly that we need a more balanced approach to prioritising the match going fanbase after 5 seasons of new ownership and a closed shop ST situation.

 

At the moment 31,000 people with ST's from pre-2021 get almost all of the recognition from the club. Everyone else is left to feed off scraps, no matter how much or little effort they put into following NUFC.

 

I think the club somehow bringing members closer to ST's (however this can be done) is a good thing. That's just my strong opinion.

 

And I'm not even pissed off I missed out on a Wembley ticket. I was in a huff for about 24 hours when the criteria were announced but then accepted I had virtually no chance and made other plans

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think the new owners missed a trick by not recognising those who were members prior to the takeover who perhaps should have been offered some form of 'enhanced membership' which doesn't have the same status as a STH, but provides a better chance of securing tickets than a scouse twat who can't get a ticket in the away end. 

[et tu brute]

After Wednesday it's obvious fans hopes have dwindled and that's including me. They had a full team out (apart from Robinson), it was at Anfield and we were missing three key players fundamental to our team and overall play.
 

At the home game we totally controlled the first half and their two opening goals were down to mistakes by Hall, Murphy and Joelington. Liverpool are very impressive at capitalising on other teams mistakes and we need to have full concentration and be switched in throughout. We perform like we did in that opening 45 minutes then we have a half decent chance. Can we though that is the question.?

[SteV]

7 minutes ago, Earp said:

I think the new owners missed a trick by not recognising those who were members prior to the takeover who perhaps should have been offered some form of 'enhanced membership' which doesn't have the same status as a STH, but provides a better chance of securing tickets than a scouse twat who can't get a ticket in the away end. 

The issue with that was that you didn’t necessarily have to be a member to get a ticket back then, as ST holders could get extra, so plenty just got tickets via that route.

 

Maybe it might have been better to go down that route and those that got their tickets via ST holders would just have had to miss out, but I can understand why they didn’t do this.

[HaydnNUFC]

Just now, SteV said:

The issue with that was that you didn’t necessarily have to be a member to get a ticket back then, as ST holders could get extra, so plenty just got tickets via that route.

 

Maybe it might have been better to go down that route and those that got their tickets via ST holders would just have had to miss out, but I can understand why they didn’t do this.

 

Aye, as I would be one of those. In 2021-22 I was in my final year of uni, was finally on a higher maintenance loan as I was on minimum for the first 2 years, and most of it went on tickets for matches, train tickets and beer before and after the matches. But as a penny pinching student, I was buying them through my dad's ST/membership. 

 

I remember when they announced the criteria for the eligibility for the 1000 season tickets they issued in summer 2022; you had to have a purchase history for a ticket prior to 2021. I was sweating on it as I couldn't remember if I ever bought a match ticket in my first year. Turns out I did, which I don't remember. If only I was more savvy with the site then...

[Superior Acuña]

4 minutes ago, SteV said:

The issue with that was that you didn’t necessarily have to be a member to get a ticket back then, as ST holders could get extra, so plenty just got tickets via that route.

 

Maybe it might have been better to go down that route and those that got their tickets via ST holders would just have had to miss out, but I can understand why they didn’t do this.

Yeah this would’ve fucked me, I always used my dad’s plus one 

[Bellis80]

19 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

 

Liverpool have 27k season ticket holders versus our 32k (Google). There's not a huge difference.

 

So you get the unfair situation we've been debating for weeks - that active members who are attending most or all games (often including all cup games) were thrown in the same pot for <1k tickets as STHs who attended no cup games and members who'd applied for one cup ballot. In the pots above them you had STHs who attended 5/4/3/2/1 league cup games. 

In relation to cup final tickets I don’t think it is unfair. A few years ago if someone said a member could get a cup final ticket ahead of a season ticket holder, regardless of how many cup games they’d done that season, you’d think they were mental.

 

Members want loyalty points but the loyalty points for away games weren’t considered at all. And they want access to away games which would mean taking tickets away from those with loyalty points as well. Nearly all the arguments for members, other than a waiting list, is them wanting the benefits of a season ticket by taking the same away from season ticket holders.

[mattypnufc]

Posted this in the members thread a few weeks back. 

 

This imo would ensure fairness and less of a closed shop that if currently is. 
 

As an ex ST holder (another who sacked it off when Rafa left and Bruce came in - not just for that mind, family illness) I narrowly missed out on the 1000 that were put on sale after the takeover. This below details how they can combat the waiting list problem and allocate any that come up fairly based on loyalty. 
 

I have no issues with ST holders having priority over anyone if they’ve signed up for a cup scheme and committed financially however please see below for a better way to mitigate some of the problems we have in various ticketing avenues. 
 

 

[bobbydazzla]

14 minutes ago, Bellis80 said:

In relation to cup final tickets I don’t think it is unfair. A few years ago if someone said a member could get a cup final ticket ahead of a season ticket holder, regardless of how many cup games they’d done that season, you’d think they were mental.

 

Members want loyalty points but the loyalty points for away games weren’t considered at all. And they want access to away games which would mean taking tickets away from those with loyalty points as well. Nearly all the arguments for members, other than a waiting list, is them wanting the benefits of a season ticket by taking the same away from season ticket holders.

 

What's your view on season tickets being a closed shop ? Is it just tough shit, you weren't here with an ST in Oct 2021 so you're not anything off us now ?

 

What message does that send to the latest generation of younger fans who are coming up through the ranks ? It's nearly 5 seasons since Ashley left, the teenagers who are the best age to be NUFC daft are locked out of aways and had a miniscule chance of a cup final ticket

 

 

 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[HaydnNUFC]

11 minutes ago, Bellis80 said:

In relation to cup final tickets I don’t think it is unfair. A few years ago if someone said a member could get a cup final ticket ahead of a season ticket holder, regardless of how many cup games they’d done that season, you’d think they were mental.

 

Members want loyalty points but the loyalty points for away games weren’t considered at all. And they want access to away games which would mean taking tickets away from those with loyalty points as well. Nearly all the arguments for members, other than a waiting list, is them wanting the benefits of a season ticket by taking the same away from season ticket holders.

 

I think the overriding point is that as it stands there is no way to discern one member from the next, ie a genuine fan who makes the effort to get tickets to every game (or asks/gets someone else to do it for them) and someone who isn't arsed but enters a ballot as going to a NUFC match could be a decent and different part of their day out. Or an away fan who takes a punt on a membership and ballot for when their team plays at SJP. With no tiered memberships, recognition of loyalty et al, there is no way to tell one member from another. They're all lumped in the same pot as each other with the season ticket holding Herrenvolk above.

 

Now, don't get me wrong, STH should get priority. However, I don't think giving members the opportunity to build points up takes anything away from STH. The issue with this would be if they lumped all members in the same pot as STH for some things such as away tickets, which due to inability to discern member from member, is a total and utter non-starter.

 

Many members feel that as there is no waiting list or anything of the sort and the membership system as it is currently, there's no way up or down, recognition of the money they spend or the time they take to get tickets. At the end of this season I'd have paid over £2k across this season and last just getting to home games; more than I'd have spent if I got my ST back in 2022 after I didn't renew in 2019 due to the price hike and logistics on top of Bruce & Ashley. There's zero recognition of that. That's the frustration. 

 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by HaydnNUFC

[huss9]

46 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

 

I try very hard not to type anything that could wrongly be interpreted as criticism of someone who has an ST.

I have no resentment of people who have ST's. They chose to keep going under Ashley, others didn't. Both sides had their valid reasons and it's all in the past.

 

But I'm annoyingly vocal about wanting to improve the situation members are currently in.

And some ST's interpret this is as criticism of them. It absolutely isn't. I just feel strongly that we need a more balanced approach to prioritising the match going fanbase after 5 seasons of new ownership and a closed shop ST situation.

 

At the moment 31,000 people with ST's from pre-2021 get almost all of the recognition from the club. Everyone else is left to feed off scraps, no matter how much or little effort they put into following NUFC.

 

I think the club somehow bringing members closer to ST's (however this can be done) is a good thing. That's just my strong opinion.

 

And I'm not even pissed off I missed out on a Wembley ticket. I was in a huff for about 24 hours when the criteria were announced but then accepted I had virtually no chance and made other plans

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

hard not to take it as a criticism especially when its often tagged with a mention of supporting brewcy/cashley

[Bellis80]

2 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

What's your view on season tickets being a closed shop ? Is it just tough shit, you weren't here with an ST pre-2021 so you're not anything off us now ?

 

What message does that send to the latest generation of younger fans who are coming up through the ranks ? 

 

 

You wait and take what you can get like loads of people had to do previously when you couldn’t get one.

[Interpolic]

15 minutes ago, Bellis80 said:

A few years ago if someone said a member could get a cup final ticket ahead of a season ticket holder, regardless of how many cup games they’d done that season, you’d think they were mental.

 

That's the point though, isn't it? That we're a few years down the line from the takeover with some members clearly very active in that time, as in going to great effort and expense to get to every game. And there's nothing separating them in the cup final criteria from people who applied for one ballot or STHs who didn't even go to any cup games. 

 

You say members want to take stuff from STHs like the opportunity to go to away games - what is your ideal scenario then, that away tickets are ringfenced for the same group of people indefinitely? There's no excuse for it being such a closed shop to such an extreme degree, and I would very much support a small percentage of away tickets being available to members so that they can at least get to the odd away game and build up a few points. 

 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by Interpolic

[huss9]

5 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

What's your view on season tickets being a closed shop ? Is it just tough shit, you weren't here with an ST in Oct 2021 so you're not anything off us now ?

 

What message does that send to the latest generation of younger fans who are coming up through the ranks ? It's nearly 5 seasons since Ashley left, the teenagers who are the best age to be NUFC daft are locked out

 

 

 

 

 

you want people getting their ST's taken off them?

[bobbydazzla]

Just now, Bellis80 said:

You wait and take what you can get like loads of people had to do previously when you couldn’t get one.

 

When was the last time there hadn't been a single season ticket available for over 4 seasons ? 30 years ago ?

 

[huss9]

when we're shite there's loads up for sale.

when we're on the up, there's none.

always been like that.