[League Cup Final] Newcastle United Vs. Liverpool - 16/03/25 (Live on ITV & Sky)

[TheGuv]

Just now, jack j said:

I think historic loyalty points will start getting phased out shortly like.

It’s like a Hereditary Peerage.

 

I know of a lad whose grandad had died, he said his mate was his grandson (he wasn’t…) and spoke with the club who allowed him to transfer his ticket and points off him. That was within the last 2-3 seasons. 

[SteV]

Just now, jack j said:

I think historic loyalty points will start getting phased out shortly like.

There’ll be absolute murders if and when they do.

 

They probably do have to something though. Although the point requirement has come down a fair bit with the threat of checks, it still never goes below 5, bar maybe pre-season games. So for kids trying to get on the points ladder it’s an incredibly slow process.

[Dr.Spaceman]

8 minutes ago, TheGuv said:

It’s like a Hereditary Peerage.

 

I know of a lad whose grandad had died, he said his mate was his grandson (he wasn’t…) and spoke with the club who allowed him to transfer his ticket and points off him. That was within the last 2-3 seasons. 

 

Mine died and I asked for a transfer, which I got but I didn't have to provide any evidence or owt. I was surprised that they didn't wipe all loyalty points that my cousin had been building for the last 10 or so years as well.

 

The box office staff can be helpful at times, but they appear to have little between the ears.

[bobbydazzla]

25 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

Seen a lot of complaints but I feel it is pretty fair. Only thing I would say is that it’s pretty mad that loyalty points doesn’t come into it.

 

Saying this as a member, I don’t think there should be a world where members get tickets ahead of season ticket holders.

 

Devastated I gave mine up. My copium is that if I didn’t we wouldn’t have nice things such as cup finals, even though my decision made little to no difference.  

Given that new season tickets don’t exist and there’s no waiting list etc I can’t see how it remains fair to keep prioritising season ticket holders without creating some sort of scheme to allow members to build up a better chance of a final or away game ticket 

 

We’ve basically just got the same 30 odd thousand people who held onto their tickets during Ashley having an opportunity to elevate their chances of getting a ticket by attending certain games. They’re not all viewed as one group and to some extent they can move between groups  

 

Whereas the rest of us are just lumped into one massive group, regardless of how little or often we go to games 

 

If ST holders were told today that it was one pot for all ST’s, the lads & lasses trekking billions of miles to follow us home and away would quite rightly be furious about that. But the equivalent scenario is what’s just happened to any members who attend all games 

 

 

Edited Monday at 22:05 by bobbydazzla

[OCOCOL]

1 hour ago, duo said:

Never knew - so assume they need a membership account to download it to?

 

edit: thinking about it - just a digital wallet - as technically it's you who is going albeit the tickets on someone else phone

 

 

 

Exactly 

[WilliamPS]

3 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Mine died and I asked for a transfer, which I got but I didn't have to provide any evidence or owt. I was surprised that they didn't wipe all loyalty points that my cousin had been building for the last 10 or so years as well.

 

The box office staff can be helpful at times, but they appear to have little between the ears.

I don’t think the club’s issue is with a family sharing a season ticket, it was with the industrial sale of away tickets that was blatantly happening, which led to crazy points tally’s for games and also really the annoyance that someone other than the club was profiting from the demand. 
 

 

[OCOCOL]

19 minutes ago, TheGuv said:

It’s like a Hereditary Peerage.

 

I know of a lad whose grandad had died, he said his mate was his grandson (he wasn’t…) and spoke with the club who allowed him to transfer his ticket and points off him. That was within the last 2-3 seasons. 

there is  allegedly a fairly high profile fanzine contributor who was using the points of a deceased relative of a prominent local journalist to get CL away tickets 

[OCOCOL]

8 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Given that new season tickets don’t exist and there’s no waiting list etc I can’t see how it remains fair to keep prioritising season ticket holders without creating some sort of scheme to allow members to build up a better chance of a final or away game ticket 

 

We’ve basically just got the same 30 odd thousand people who held onto their tickets during Ashley having an opportunity to elevate their chances of getting a ticket by attending certain games. They’re not all viewed as one group and to some extent they can move between groups  

 

Whereas the rest of us are just lumped into one massive group, regardless of how little or often we go to games 

 

If ST holders were told today that it was one pot for all ST’s, the lads & lasses who trek thousands of miles all over the country to follow us home and away would quite rightly be furious about that. But that scenario is exactly what’s just happened to the members who attend all games 

 

 

 

it’s also what happened to loads of younger lads I know of who went everywhere away but didn’t hold STs. Obviously they were using other people’s access but it was a subculture within our support that everyone tolerated until we became (sort of)  successful 

[Danh1]

11 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Given that new season tickets don’t exist and there’s no waiting list etc I can’t see how it remains fair to keep prioritising season ticket holders without creating some sort of scheme to allow members to build up a better chance of a final or away game ticket 

 

We’ve basically just got the same 30 odd thousand people who held onto their tickets during Ashley having an opportunity to elevate their chances of getting a ticket by attending certain games. They’re not all viewed as one group and to some extent they can move between groups  

 

Whereas the rest of us are just lumped into one massive group, regardless of how little or often we go to games 

 

If season ticket holders were told today that it was one pot for all, the lads and lasses who trek thousands of miles all over the country to follow up home and away would quite rightly be furious about that 

 

 

 

You make valid points. How do you split members though? Being a member, it’s essentially pot luck as to whether you get to a game (albeit you can make an effort by refreshing on the resale). Should people be rewarded for getting lucky in the ballot by getting priority for a cup final?

 

We are very well supported, you could argue more so than at any point in our history, so it’s very difficult. 
 

As I said I’m a member sadly, travelled the country hundreds of times watching us, been to Belgium, Ukraine, Paris watching us. Sadly it’s all irrelevant now and I knew that would be the case when I gave up my ST. 

 

 

Edited Monday at 22:11 by Danh1

[OCOCOL]

28 minutes ago, jack j said:

I think historic loyalty points will start getting phased out shortly like.

@SteVis right there would be uproar but I think it’s only fair to reward recent loyalty . I say this as someone who has over 400 but due to family commitments can’t go every away like I used to when I was younger. 
 

id make them drop off after x years (maybe 5). Man U do this iirc 

 

 

Edited Monday at 22:13 by OCOCOL

[Superior Acuña]

 

27 minutes ago, TheGuv said:

It’s like a Hereditary Peerage.

 

I know of a lad whose grandad had died, he said his mate was his grandson (he wasn’t…) and spoke with the club who allowed him to transfer his ticket and points off him. That was within the last 2-3 seasons. 

 

I transferred my ST to someone that wasn't even family when I moved away and they have all the points I built up. This was during Ashley like. Worked well for both of us until the ID checks.

[Superior Acuña]

I think they may reduce the power of old loyalty points, but not remove them. I think it was Reading that did some complicated thing that did that.  Seemed quite a good idea in a complex context.

 

edit:

 

Quote

Between 2004 and 2023 the club operated a lifetime Loyalty Points scheme that saw supporters able to accrue points across the 19 years as a whole.

Following feedback with fans groups and supporters, the current process was implemented in the summer of 2023. Despite the change however, the club wanted to ensure that long standing Loyalty Points accrued weren't forgotten when determining a fair policy moving forwards - this is where Legacy Statuses come in.

Instead of wiping all points prior to 2019, the club gave Season Ticket holders, former Season Ticket holders, Member Card holders and non-members a Legacy Status based on the points they built up before the change. This was implemented as follows:

Bronze Legacy Status – 25-499 points

Silver Legacy Status - 500-1499 points

Gold Legacy Status - 1500+ points

The status was marked against their account on the ticketing system. Your Legacy Status will never be updated going forward, it is purely a set status to recognise fans’ historic support in lieu of the 15 years of expired points which will no longer form part of the count.

https://www.readingfc.co.uk/tickets/loyalty-points/

 

not perfect, but something along the lines of acknowledging longtime support without it being so dominant seems like a good idea.

 

 

Edited Monday at 22:18 by Superior Acuña

[Interpolic]

12 minutes ago, OCOCOL said:

it’s also what happened to loads of younger lads I know of who went everywhere away but didn’t hold STs. Obviously they were using other people’s access but it was a subculture within our support that everyone tolerated until we became (sort of)  successful 

 

I went to quite a lot of aways in the 2010s in particular when I was living in London, and never had a clue who the ticket came from. There'll be loads who went to far more than me with nothing to show for it and no way of ever getting back in. 

[bobbydazzla]

8 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

You make valid points. How do you split members though? Being a member, it’s essentially pot luck as to whether you get to a game (albeit you can make an effort by refreshing on the resale). Should people be rewarded for getting lucky in the ballot by getting priority for a cup final?

 

We are very well supported, you could argue more so than at any point in our history, so it’s very difficult. 
 

As I said I’m a member sadly, travelled the country hundreds of times watching us, been to Belgium, Ukraine, Paris watching us. Sadly it’s all irrelevant now and I knew that would be the case when I gave up my ST. 

 

 

 

It’s not pot luck this season, there’s 3 x official ways to get a ticket

 

- ballot

- member general sale

- ST resale 

 

And connected Friends & Family can buy tickets for each other, so people can help each other out  

 

I’ve never failed to get a ticket for pretty much every game since the takeover. And this season has been much easier than last season. 

 

If we had some sort of Member Loyalty scheme in place, people who put in the effort to secure home tickets would have a better chance of a cup final ticket than someone who just clicks the ballot from time to time and hopes for the best 

 

 

[Interpolic]

14 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

Being a member, it’s essentially pot luck as to whether you get to a game (albeit you can make an effort by refreshing on the resale).

 

There's an extra step to this now, which is the members' general sale. That's generally your best bet of getting tickets. I've not missed a game I could get to this season, other than the Arsenal semi because the club fucked up. 

 

The likes of bobbydazzla getting to every game as a member, that's no accident. It's effort and time and hassle and additional cost vs what season ticket holders have to do. For someone to do that and be put in the same no-chance pot as someone who has applied for one ballot is a total insult. 

[SteV]

23 minutes ago, OCOCOL said:

@SteVis right there would be uproar but I think it’s only fair to reward recent loyalty . I say this as someone who has over 400 but due to family commitments can’t go every away like I used to when I was younger. 
 

id make them drop off after x years (maybe 5). Man U do this iirc 

 

 

 

I think if we can win a cup or two, it might actually be easier to implement this.

 

At that point a small portion* of the old guard might think ‘you know what, we’ve finally cracked it, I’m OK with not being able to go to every game now’.

 

*I’ll re-emphasise I did say a small portion.

[Sima]

Since Jan 24 I’ve spent over £1600 in tickets with the club (sometimes multiple tickets for the same game with the family).

 

it’s an absolute pisstake that we’re all in the same boat (and me in particular) as some cunt that applied for one ballot in the cup this season.

 

 

Edited Monday at 22:42 by Sima

[SteV]

1 minute ago, Sima said:

Since Jan 24 I’ve spent over £1600 in tickets with the club (sometimes multiple tickets for the same game with the family).

 

it’s an absolute pisstake that we’re all in the same boat (and me in particular) as some cunt that applied for one ballot in the cup this season.

 

 

 

It’s difficult to argue with the principle of that even if we don’t want to get into a situation where he who spends the most gets first dibs (I know that wasn’t main point of what you’re saying).

 

It’s why some form of tiered membership has to come in. I don’t know how they go about establishing the tiers, but after this season they’ve got two full years of proper data since they inherited the absolute slapdash system of the Ashley era. That’s enough to start making some kind of effort at it. Even if they don’t get it completely correct to start with.

[Rod]

33 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

You make valid points. How do you split members though? Being a member, it’s essentially pot luck as to whether you get to a game (albeit you can make an effort by refreshing on the resale). Should people be rewarded for getting lucky in the ballot by getting priority for a cup final?

 

We are very well supported, you could argue more so than at any point in our history, so it’s very difficult. 
 

As I said I’m a member sadly, travelled the country hundreds of times watching us, been to Belgium, Ukraine, Paris watching us. Sadly it’s all irrelevant now and I knew that would be the case when I gave up my ST. 

 

 

 

Same here.  Used to go to away friendlies in some strange lands.  However, my wife and I decided to give up our season tickets for the right reasons in our minds anyway.  No real regrets but sad that it happened at all really.  Our fans were rubbish at chasing Ashley out of town.  Me and the wife got rid of him!

[HaydnNUFC]

As I posted earlier today there needs to be a hierarchical membership system put in place if they won't issue new season tickets or have a waiting list. Liverpool appear to have one, I know Chelsea have one. Base it on purchase history or something along those lines to avoid obtaining tickets away from STs a total plutocracy. Because as it stands now, no one can tell the difference between the likes of 'polic, bobbydazzla, TheGuv, Sima, myself and many others who put in the effort to get tickets to every game. Speaking for myself, from the 2021-22 season up to now I've been making time even when supposed to be working to be in front of a computer screen and (whilst it's cheating the system, needs must) having many a queue spot because I'm desperate to be at any and all matches. F5ing on resale especially last season because of desperation to be there. But neither the club nor anyone else can differentiate between someone who does that, someone who's in it for the touting, someone who applies for a ballot but isn't arsed so spends the duration of the game scrolling on their phone. 

 

It's poor, like.

 

 

Edited Monday at 22:58 by HaydnNUFC

[Minhosa]

49 minutes ago, OCOCOL said:

there is  allegedly a fairly high profile fanzine contributor who was using the points of a deceased relative of a prominent local journalist to get CL away tickets 

By George! Whoever could that be?

[OCOCOL]

1 minute ago, Minhosa said:

By George! Whoever could that be?

Haha at least it prompted resignations. 
 

(Another) George Orwell was right - some are more equal than others.  
 

The club can’t really win here - simple fact is demand massively outstrips supply. Hopefully fan representative groups will step up now and act in the interests of all and not in any self interest, 

[Danh1]

48 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

It’s not pot luck this season, there’s 3 x official ways to get a ticket

 

- ballot

- member general sale

- ST resale 

 

And connected Friends & Family can buy tickets for each other, so people can help each other out  

 

I’ve never failed to get a ticket for pretty much every game since the takeover. And this season has been much easier than last season. 

 

If we had some sort of Member Loyalty scheme in place, people who put in the effort to secure home tickets would have a better chance of a cup final ticket than someone who just clicks the ballot from time to time and hopes for the best 

 

 

Cannot argue really, respect to you for your persistence.

 

Hopefully something comes in to reward that persistence. The membership does need reviewed for sure. 

[J7]

I couldn’t get energised about people complaining of losing loyalty points they picked up years ago. Me and my mates used to go all over 15-20 years ago as you could get tickets for nearly every away game as a member. Didn’t pick up a loyalty point between us. It’s so complex now, it’s hard to think of anything that the club would do that wouldn’t get some people angry. Can totally understand the anger of many who feel stuck though, and occasions like a cup final has to cause upset when you think you’ve got no chance. 

[NobbySolano]

Edit. Wrong thread

 

 

Edited yesterday at 13:36 by NobbySolano