Facundo Ferreyra Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 3 hours ago, Checko said: He's an Mbemba stan. No chance he goes anywhere else. No Chancel, surely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam P Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 15 minutes ago, LFEE said: Well I wasn’t in the room Do your homework and check what we offered to what was agreed. NUFC offered the same/more. The 'expected value' of the addons was not and wont be reported. If one clubs bids 69m + 10m in addons based on apperances and another bids 70m + 10m in addons based on goals, the expected value (to the seller) of 69 + 10 bid is higher and they 'paid' more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checko Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 5 minutes ago, Facundo Ferreyra said: No Chancel, surely I'll Mbemba that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 7 minutes ago, Adam P said: The 'expected value' of the addons was not and wont be reported. If one clubs bids 69m + 10m in addons based on apperances and another bids 70m + 10m in addons based on goals, the expected value (to the seller) of 69 + 10 bid is higher and they 'paid' more. AND like I said NUFC offered more up front in both deals and the total packages were the same if not more from NUFC. Not sure why you are struggling to understand why the selling club once happy with either deal will let the player go to where he wants? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam P Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 Just now, LFEE said: AND like I said NUFC offered more up front in both deals and the total packages were the same if not more from NUFC. Not sure why you are struggling to understand why the selling club once happy with either deal will let the player go to where he wants? Because it makes no sense for the selling club to accept a lower overall offer for a player. I dont struggle to understand anything mate, i work on deals bigger than the ones we discuss on here, hence the bit in bold seems like utter fluff to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 4 minutes ago, Adam P said: Because it makes no sense for the selling club to accept a lower overall offer for a player. I dont struggle to understand anything mate, i work on deals bigger than the ones we discuss on here, hence the bit in bold seems like utter fluff to me. It does if the player's says he'll only go to the lower offer and they believe him. The choice then is that or nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam P Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 Just now, madras said: It does if the player's says he'll only go to the lower offer and they believe him. The choice then is that or nothing. Makes no sense that as that would imply no leverage on the seller's behalf and the player could force a move at a lower and lower price, whilst driving up his salary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 1 minute ago, Adam P said: Makes no sense that as that would imply no leverage on the seller's behalf and the player could force a move at a lower and lower price, whilst driving up his salary. Yet this happens all the time..? We’re dealing with trading people here, not apples or buildings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 Should be a tax on transfers. Broad shoulders and all that… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam P Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 Everyone seems desperate to believe that we outbid Liverpool and Man U. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam P Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 4 minutes ago, Unbelievable said: Yet this happens all the time..? We’re dealing with trading people here, not apples or buildings. Doesnt matter what you call the thing being traded, what matters are the fundamental regulatory, legal and financial drivers, the interests of the negotiating parties and their BATNAs. Thats using the a negotiation model where the framing of the negotiation doesnt depend so much on physical descriptions of things, more the characteristics of the deal based on the model's inputs. Anyone working on large deals will know this model, its the preferred training for most large multi nationals. Sorry to flex but i detected a note of condescension. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 5 minutes ago, Adam P said: Because it makes no sense for the selling club to accept a lower overall offer for a player. I dont struggle to understand anything mate, i work on deals bigger than the ones we discuss on here, hence the bit in bold seems like utter fluff to me. Because your deals I’m guessing aren’t human beings? Scenario: Your son/daughter wants a car and you’ve set aside a budget of £20k… They go shopping with you and tell you the type of car they really want which you find two available and you are pleased to find out that they will only cost £10k of your budget. One black one white. White one is £10k interest free over 24 months. The Black one is £10,500 interest free over 12 months. Your son/daughter not keen on white at all and only happy with black. Which one you going to get them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 1 minute ago, LFEE said: Because your deals I’m guessing aren’t human beings? Scenario: Your son/daughter wants a car and you’ve set aside a budget of £20k… They go shopping with you and tell you the type of car they really want which you find two available and you are pleased to find out that they will only cost £10k of your budget. One black one white. White one is £10k interest free over 24 months. The Black one is £10,500 interest free over 12 months. Your son/daughter not keen on white at all and only happy with black. Which one you going to get them? A fucking metro ticket home, the ungrateful cunts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 1 minute ago, LFEE said: Because your deals I’m guessing aren’t human beings? Scenario: Your son/daughter wants a car and you’ve set aside a budget of £20k… They go shopping with you and tell you the type of car they really want which you find two available and you are pleased to find out that they will only cost £10k of your budget. One black one white. White one is £10k interest free over 24 months. The Black one is £10,500 interest free over 12 months. Your son/daughter not keen on white at all and only happy with black. Which one you going to get them? neither, the needy little kids can walk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam P Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 8 minutes ago, LFEE said: Because your deals I’m guessing aren’t human beings? Scenario: Your son/daughter wants a car and you’ve set aside a budget of £20k… They go shopping with you and tell you the type of car they really want which you find two available and you are pleased to find out that they will only cost £10k of your budget. One black one white. White one is £10k interest free over 24 months. The Black one is £10,500 interest free over 12 months. Your son/daughter not keen on white at all and only happy with black. Which one you going to get them? How did we get here. Look sure, you want to believe the PR machine, players only want to join Liverpool and Man U because they are amazing clubs and not because they pay more. I dont believe that narrative. Players are driven by their agents and money is king. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 I'd pay the extra £500, buy both and weld them together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 13 minutes ago, Adam P said: How did we get here. Look sure, you want to believe the PR machine, players only want to join Liverpool and Man U because they are amazing clubs and not because they pay more. I dont believe that narrative. Players are driven by their agents and money is king. Harry Kewell was the most famous one. However....... say we bid more for Sesko (this is used as an example I don't know the the figures) but the player wants the kudos of playing for Man Utd, the wages are similar but we've offered his club more. The player tells his club "I choose Man Utd so you have a choice of accept their deal or I stay and you lose that money". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 11 minutes ago, Adam P said: How did we get here. Look sure, you want to believe the PR machine, players only want to join Liverpool and Man U because they are amazing clubs and not because they pay more. I dont believe that narrative. Players are driven by their agents and money is king. Your inability to understand how transfers work if i remember correctly I’ve never once said the players weren’t getting offered more money from Man Utd or Liverpool (Or Chelsea or Man City… pick whichever deal!) but as for bidding for players NUFC have not been outbid to the selling club yet but ultimately with every transfer it gets to the stage the selling club in a player auction they will be happy with either deal and let the player choose, especially when the player has a definitive preference which was the case with Ekitke and Sesko and Pedro. Trafford situation different because he’d signed a legal contract to return to Man City 2yrs prior if Man City revoked their buy back/match bid clause which they did. PS Get the black car, it will make them happy and easier to settle and negotiate the loyalty clause etc from the players and agent side which you still have to do as a selling club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 43 minutes ago, Adam P said: Makes no sense that as that would imply no leverage on the seller's behalf and the player could force a move at a lower and lower price, whilst driving up his salary. Look, it's really simple. Team A offers 80M Team B offers 70M Player says "I won't play for Team A" so that deal is dead. It can't be executed no matter what the seller wants. Seller now has to decide to either accept or reject the only offer currently on the table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 This is great Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 I thought we’d moved on? Can we move on now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 1 minute ago, Dr Venkman said: I thought we’d moved on? Can we move on now? Perhaps once the matter is resolved we can, unfortunately the media will spin and spin until they get dizzy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HayDen Traces Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 I still think this one happens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam P Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 11 minutes ago, McDog said: Look, it's really simple. Team A offers 80M Team B offers 70M Player says "I won't play for Team A" so that deal is dead. It can't be executed no matter what the seller wants. Seller now has to decide to either accept or reject the only offer currently on the table. Your just using a simplistic, unrelated example that ignores the point about 'expected value'. In my previous post, i used the actual figures from the deals and put forward that the 'expected value' to the seller was unknown to the public since the reporting gave no insights into the 'expected value' of the addons. ] If you dont grasp what 'expected value' means here, or why its fundamental to the seller then i would walk away from the discussion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 21, 2025 Share Posted August 21, 2025 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Adam P said: Your just using a simplistic, unrelated example that ignores the point about 'expected value'. In my previous post, i used the actual figures from the deals and put forward that the 'expected value' to the seller was unknown to the public since the reporting gave no insights into the 'expected value' of the addons. ] If you dont grasp what 'expected value' means here, or why its fundamental to the seller then i would walk away from the discussion. You're saying that the largest deal always wins. We are saying it doesn't ? Edited August 21, 2025 by madras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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