Smal Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Just now, joeyt said: Nick takes too many touches when he receives the ball on the half turn and often gives it away. I think some people are seeing a better player in there than what he actually is He has definitely been doing that since ~mid-December or so, yeah. Before that though I think we all saw a player who didn't do that. He often played first or second touch passes. So it's about how we get that player back, and trying to analyse what's changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, joeyt said: Nick takes too many touches when he receives the ball on the half turn and often gives it away. I think some people are seeing a better player in there than what he actually is He's good like a top prospect since he's joined us he seems to be at rock bottom with his confidence which In turn makes you take extra touches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 He's a big fanny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, joeyt said: Nick takes too many touches when he receives the ball on the half turn and often gives it away. I think some people are seeing a better player in there than what he actually is Or some people are judging players too harshly in a tired and disjointed squad. He was excellent at taking the ball and popping it about the first couple of months. Literally nobody in the team can pass a ball now, Tonali has went from "the league's best midfielder" to a carthorse. Its pretty obvious that there's more going on than individuals just being shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 12 minutes ago, Smal said: I agree mostly, yeah. Ramsey can also receive between the lines. Probably our best at it tbh. No point having a player like that if our players are unable to play that pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: Or some people are judging players too harshly in a tired and disjointed squad. He was excellent at taking the ball and popping it about the first couple of months. Literally nobody in the team can pass a ball now, Tonali has went from "the league's best midfielder" to a carthorse. Its pretty obvious that there's more going on than individuals just being shite. Again I think people are bigging up his passing at the start of the season. He had some nice touches but even when he was scoring goals he was never holding up the ball or looking like a striker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) I’m desperate for him to do well, and as a result I cling on to any chink of light he offers in games to convince myself that he’ll come good. Even I’m now at the point where I don’t believe it’ll work for him here. He’s miles off it in so many ways imo. It’ll be best for us all if he has a great World Cup and we can offload him for close to what we paid. Such a shame, so much to like about him as a player and a person. Edited February 28 by lovejoy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 6 minutes ago, joeyt said: Nick takes too many touches when he receives the ball on the half turn and often gives it away. I think some people are seeing a better player in there than what he actually is I dont think his ball control is all that. I mean its decent, but nothing like wow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 8 minutes ago, joeyt said: Nick takes too many touches when he receives the ball on the half turn and often gives it away. I think some people are seeing a better player in there than what he actually is Today he reveived the ball way too deep. That isnt suited to him at all. He can clearly play combinations and small flicks around the area. Not shield the ball 50 metres from goal. he has lot to learn still though. Need to release quicker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OoOGazOoO Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 I really don't think it will work with Nick & us given the way we play and the way we continue to play. We are no longer 3 weeks into the season, the fact we are now pretty much 6 months completed within the league and we still haven't be able to figure out how to use him properly, despite all the talk about not having any time on the training ground, is ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Not a fan. Not saying he’s useless, but not a fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) Genuinely can't believe he was scouted at all before we bought him, think we just knew he was available and we panicked with the Isak money. He is the least Eddie sort of player I have ever seen, he has zero pace , he isn't strong or physical and he can't remotely press. This isn't even a criticism of the lad at all. He just isn't remotely suited for the way we play, or rather the way we used to play. Edited February 28 by Geogaddi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, KingArthur said: Today he reveived the ball way too deep. That isnt suited to him at all. He can clearly play combinations and small flicks around the area. Not shield the ball 50 metres from goal. he has lot to learn still though. Need to release quicker. The only way he's going to be able to do that in our system is if he plays as a striker but it's like playing with 10 men when he plays up front Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Just now, joeyt said: Again I think people are bigging up his passing at the start of the season. He had some nice touches but even when he was scoring goals he was never holding up the ball or looking like a striker He was only having around 20 touches a game but was pulling off pretty outrageous touches and flicks, first time passes, lobbed through balls etc every game. Pretty sure there's a few compilations from around his first 2 months here and he's clearly very good with the ball when on form. He's been shit and out of form for months now but I'm struggling to think of many players who haven't? Bruno before he was injured, Thiaw and Hall? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Just now, joeyt said: The only way he's going to be able to do that in our system is if he plays as a striker but it's like playing with 10 men when he plays up front Yea I dont see how he fits in our system except 9 or in 4-4-1-1. His lack of pace means he will not play 9 in Howe’s team, at least with efficiency. in a game like this he could have been 9 the whole second half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 And again, how does it not look like we're playing with 10 with Osula or Wissa up top? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolc157 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Not suited for us at all.. much more at home with a European slower paced style of football.. and goes from 6’ 7” to 5’ 10” when he challenges in the air.. cash in in the summer.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 6 minutes ago, nufc123 said: I dont think his ball control is all that. I mean its decent, but nothing like wow. I think it's great in a league where defenders stand off. In the PL you will get roughed up unless you can stand strong, and he gets too easily overwhelmed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 9 minutes ago, nufc123 said: I dont think his ball control is all that. I mean its decent, but nothing like wow. It can be impressive, but some people talk as if he’s Berbatov technically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Just now, llcoolc157 said: Not suited for us at all.. much more at home with a European slower paced style of football.. and goes from 6’ 7” to 5’ 10” when he challenges in the air.. cash in in the summer.. Cash in so that's wissa wolte Elanga joelinton Murphy pope Gordon Barnes tonali tino gonna be a hell of a window if we cash in on all them. 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, TRon said: I think it's great in a league where defenders stand off. In the PL you will get roughed up unless you can stand strong, and he gets too easily overwhelmed. I think he has some nice lay offs and some smart passing like against Spurs and Qarabag, but thats not good ball control for me. Bernardo Silva has great ball control for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 I honestly think we bought this guy due to his agent using us as leverage to get his price up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolc157 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Nope, keep Tonali, Murphy, Gordon, Barnes, Tino, and pope (as back up)… Absolutely no way we should get rid of everyone… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, nufc123 said: I think he has some nice lay offs and some smart passing like against Spurs and Qarabag, but thats not good ball control for me. Bernardo Silva has great ball control for example. I think we are getting into semantics here. Probably should have just left it at "He's a big fanny". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Just now, TRon said: I think we are getting into semantics here. Probably should have just left it at "He's a big fanny". ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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