Nick Woltemade

[Si67]

13 hours ago, number9shirt said:

Clearly a talented player, got plenty of technique in his locker. Woltemade needs to play either up front with someone alongside or or behind or in the 10 position.

 

 

 

Barnes would be a good option - he’s definitely not a good enough winger 

[Mills and Boon]

5 hours ago, Zero said:

WTF are you smoking? Playing a ST at midfield and make both the player and the team suffered is not mismanaged?

 

 

 

He's not quick or strong enough to play up front, so it was worth a try 

[Chicken Dancer]

40 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

He's not quick or strong enough to play up front, so it was worth a try 

Maybe it was worth a try but it definitely wasn’t worth persisting with. We all could see it wasn’t working.

 

I couldn’t believe when the team came out on derby day and he was midfield. Was a disgrace. 

[dcmk]

1 minute ago, Chicken Dancer said:

Maybe it was worth a try but it definitely wasn’t worth persisting with. We all could see it wasn’t working.

 

I couldn’t believe when the team came out on derby day and he was midfield. Was a disgrace. 

Actually got an assist that day and was our best midfielder out of all of them ironically.

[Chicken Dancer]

6 minutes ago, dcmk said:

Actually got an assist that day and was our best midfielder out of all of them ironically.

Exactly the reason why assists carry too much weight. The one he put on a plate for Wissa on Saturday should have been an assist.

 

I don’t disagree btw, but he was never a midfielder the first time he played there let alone then. 

[Holloway]

Eddie has to find a way to get him in the number 10 position with enough contribution to the linking of the midfield and off the ball stuff. That hasn't worked so far, and is what has resulted in him being labelled as a starting 8. The left wing slot would probably be sacrificed for a more combative  LM like when Joelinton played the role, or maybe Ramsey, for it to be productive imo

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I don’t think anyone ever thought Nick was going to be a midfielder. I’ve said loads of times, it was a way to try and get him some minutes while falling back on the pressing forward. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

3 minutes ago, Holloway said:

Eddie has to find a way to get him in the number 10 position with enough contribution to the linking of the midfield and off the ball stuff. That hasn't worked so far, and is what has resulted in him being labelled as a starting 8. The left wing slot would probably be sacrificed for a more combative  LM like when Joelinton played the role, or maybe Ramsey, for it to be productive imo

4231 with Ramsey left seems ideal to me, although you would sacrifice a bit of presence in the middle defensively. 

[Chicken Dancer]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

4231 with Ramsey left seems ideal to me, although you would sacrifice a bit of presence in the middle defensively. 

Just stick Bruno and Tonali as the midfield 2 and at least give him a shot in the hole. We literally have nothing to lose - we’re not going down and we’re not getting Europe. 
 

Ramsey left, Elanga right and Wissa up top. Try get the summer signings some confidence and cohesion going into the summer, especially the ones going to the World Cup. 

[Mr Misery]

You starting this kid next weekend Eddie?

Fuck sake give him a run out til season end - should've weeks ago. 

 

 

Edited April 27 by Mr Misery

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, Chicken Dancer said:

Just stick Bruno and Tonali as the midfield 2 and at least give him a shot in the hole. We literally have nothing to lose - we’re not going down and we’re not getting Europe. 
 

Ramsey left, Elanga right and Wissa up top. Try get the summer signings some confidence and cohesion going into the summer, especially the ones going to the World Cup. 

Would also work with Osula up top or even on the right. Worth a try as you say, didn’t expect it v Arsenal but would love to see it from now on. 

[Chicken Dancer]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Would also work with Osula up top or even on the right. Worth a try as you say, didn’t expect it v Arsenal but would love to see it from now on. 

I don’t rate Osula tbf but would perhaps be harsh to drop him when he’s got 2 in 3. I’m just thinking more of actually getting the summer signings on the pitch at the same time. 
 

Whether by design or having no choice (injury, suspension etc) they can’t have played together much at all. 

[Holloway]

5 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

4231 with Ramsey left seems ideal to me, although you would sacrifice a bit of presence in the middle defensively. 

aye that's what I'd like to see for the remaining games, with Osula or Wissa up top

[Myleftboot]

Think we all know it ain’t going to happen sadly.

[Holmesy]

I either want to see a front three of Gordon - Wissa - Osula, Gordon - Wolte - Osula or a front two of Wissa and Wolte.
What do we have to lose? Give the fuckers a chance to prove themselves ffs! Or get themselves a move if they're not for us.

 

We know what Murphy and Elanga give us - absolutely fuck all. It's painful watching them week-in, week-out.

Stop trying to make Wolte in to something he isn't, and play to his strengths. 

[Paully]

He’s been terribly treated and Luke Edwards’ patter about him is ridiculous 

[Mr Misery]

54 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

I don’t rate Osula tbf but would perhaps be harsh to drop him when he’s got 2 in 3. I’m just thinking more of actually getting the summer signings on the pitch at the same time. 
 

Could play him on the right.

[Holmesy]

56 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

I don’t rate Osula tbf but would perhaps be harsh to drop him when he’s got 2 in 3. I’m just thinking more of actually getting the summer signings on the pitch at the same time. 
 

Whether by design or having no choice (injury, suspension etc) they can’t have played together much at all. 

He's rapid and chaotic though, and has scored a wordlie coming in from the right. Chances of him being worse than our other RW options are slim.

[Yorkie]

The lad wasn't playing well in his favoured position, and then was kept from playing there by Gordon and Osula, both of whom played well and scored goals. He could've been sidelined by the manager at that point but, instead, a place was found for him in midfield so kept playing and developing. He's had the odd stint on the bench too but features in most if not all games.

 

'Terribly treated' is absolutely risible imo. He's played nearly 50 games. Absolutely crazy to me how much of the discourse about Howe's future revolves around this guy. He's not Ben Arfa, he's just a talented young player who's had absolutely boatloads of opportunities.

[joeyt]

7 minutes ago, Paully said:

He’s been terribly treated and Luke Edwards’ patter about him is ridiculous 

 

What's his patter about him?

 

All i can see on his twitter is that we've got 3 strikers who can't score

[Mole]

Idk if it's just me but I always felt the attempt to play him in midfield was an admission that the midfield simply hasn't worked (especially without Bruno ) and trying something as it was him not working as the lone striker.

[joeyt]

4 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

The lad wasn't playing well in his favoured position, and then was kept from playing there by Gordon and Osula, both of whom played well and scored goals. He could've been sidelined by the manager at that point but, instead, a place was found for him in midfield so kept playing and developing. He's had the odd stint on the bench too but features in most if not all games.

 

'Terribly treated' is absolutely risible imo. He's played nearly 50 games. Absolutely crazy to me how much of the discourse about Howe's future revolves around this guy. He's not Ben Arfa, he's just a talented young player who's had absolutely boatloads of opportunities.

 

Agreed he's not an Isak level talent that we're wasting 

[Chicken Dancer]

Playing him midfield was a disaster not sure how it can be dressed up. The fact we persisted with it even more so. 
 

He was actually doing canny up until Wissa came back and it became clear Howe was going to rotate or preferred others. That’s fine, it’s the manager’s call - but play him upfront or not at all imo. I say this as someone who rates him but can concede it probably won’t work in England for him (I do think he will have a canny career though). 
 

I also think his signing would be viewed a lot differently if his early goals were spread out rather than in a cluster. 

[Yorkie]

7 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

Playing him midfield was a disaster not sure how it can be dressed up. The fact we persisted with it even more so. 

 

How was it a disaster? For a start, my recollection is that he even had a few good games in that position, particularly at Villa in the cup and then Qarabag. Decent against the mackems too. A few bad ones too, admittedly. Meanwhile Gordon occupied the CF position and did well. 

 

Where exactly was the disaster? 

[Holmesy]

3 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

Agreed he's not an Isak level talent that we're wasting 

No, but he is a £60m+ asset who isn't being deployed in a way that maximises his strengths. He's being shoe-horned into roles that are unfamiliar because of the manager's rigid system. You're never going to see the best of a player, even moreso a striker, by not playing to his strengths - it would have been the same if we'd played Isak in midfield.

15 minute cameos in games we are usually losing and under the cosh in doesn't feel like a fair crack of the whip, especially when our crosses are virtually non-existent now.