Holmesy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 7 minutes ago, joeyt said: What are his strengths as a striker? Nutting the ball in the next was the first one we saw but the crosses dried up. His weight of pass is exceptional - put the right people around him and i've got more confidence in him playing them through than anyone else in the squad. Vision - he spots passes I haven't seen anyone else in our team spot, but he combines it with the ability to execute. And based on his video reel, he can finish as well but he won't get the time in this league that he did in the Bundesliga so he needs to work on finding space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills and Boon Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Infinitely Content said: It's really not as simple as "play to his strengths" when his strengths require a complete overhaul of everything else we've been set up to do as a team over the last few years (and had great success in doing so). Yeah, it's this for me. And it's less playing to his strengths and more mitigating his weaknesses. I really fancy an egg and cress sarnie now for some reason Edited April 27 by Mills and Boon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 He’ll start the next game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki679 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Osula Gordon Woltemade Elanga Bruno Tonali It's got to be worth a try or in place as a backup tactic hasn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 3 minutes ago, Holmesy said: Nutting the ball in the next was the first one we saw but the crosses dried up. His weight of pass is exceptional - put the right people around him and i've got more confidence in him playing them through than anyone else in the squad. Vision - he spots passes I haven't seen anyone else in our team spot, but he combines it with the ability to execute. And based on his video reel, he can finish as well but he won't get the time in this league that he did in the Bundesliga so he needs to work on finding space. The crosses dried up is nonsense, he was never in the box to get on the end of the crosses We literally bring Murphy on and his only job is to cross at every opportunity and Nick was nowhere near them, he'd be hanging back somewhere The other strengths you've mentioned are valuable for a number 10 but not so much as a striker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Yorkie said: The season could turn out to be disastrous but it's only really become that post-Barca where we've lost four on the bounce; prior to then it was just an up-and-down season. Osula is a fast, powerful player. Beyond that, he doesn't have much to offer. Playing the ball to teammates with clever passes – forget it. I'm happy if he can even manage a straight pass. Vision and game intelligence – nonexistent. If that's enough for the Premier League, fine. Then Nick really has no business being here. You have your opinion, which I respect, and I have mine. Nick is worlds better overall than Osula. Edited April 27 by Jack14Bojangles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janpawel Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 10 minutes ago, Holloway said: This what Barnes is supposed to be He strikes a ball well and is good at cutting in to shoot But he's limited and not good enough to start as a left winger for a team wanting to aiming top 5 each season I was also meant to say, I don't know if Woltemade would actually be proper effective in that support role, he's shown some great skill at times but also gets bullied a lot etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills and Boon Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 6 minutes ago, Loki679 said: Osula Gordon Woltemade Elanga Bruno Tonali It's got to be worth a try or in place as a backup tactic hasn't it? I dread to think what happens when Nick takes his customary three touches and gets brushed off the ball with one of our midfield 2 ahead of him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 9 minutes ago, joeyt said: The crosses dried up is nonsense, he was never in the box to get on the end of the crosses We literally bring Murphy on and his only job is to cross at every opportunity and Nick was nowhere near them, he'd be hanging back somewhere The other strengths you've mentioned are valuable for a number 10 but not so much as a striker To be fair, we are second in the league for crosses delivered so I stand corrected. Seems even more daft to play Gordon up top in that case, rather than our towering striker. He'd get on the end of one eventually Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidg Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 First post here, hello all. I like Big Nick. I can’t tell if he’s a great player in an unsuitable system, or a player born a decade too late for what is a new game in many ways. What I do know is that he was doing what his critics say he can’t do against Man City (H) and Chelsea (H): taking and missing chances in good areas. He was tired after playing too much in a new league, which coincided with Wissa’s comeback. That’s when the season unravelled. I’m still undecided if I’m Howe Out or Howe In, leaning towards the former sadly, but I was really hoping that Eddie would remember those two games during the three week break between Sunderland and Palace. He didn’t. He tried to roll back the years, using Osula as the focal point of a 22/23-style approach, and it felt a bit tragic. I get that Osula scored, but the set-up signalled that Eddie was all out of ideas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 3 minutes ago, janpawel said: He strikes a ball well and is good at cutting in to shoot But he's limited and not good enough to start as a left winger for a team wanting to aiming top 5 each season I was also meant to say, I don't know if Woltemade would actually be proper effective in that support role, he's shown some great skill at times but also gets bullied a lot etc yeah I agree about Barnes but he fits the profile, rather than being a touchline winger. Gakpo, Rashford types, I suppose. I do think Nick will become more physical next season if we persevere with him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Magpie Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 2 hours ago, Mills and Boon said: He's not quick or strong enough to play up front, so it was worth a try 27 minutes ago, Yorkie said: How was it a disaster? For a start, my recollection is that he even had a few good games in that position, particularly at Villa in the cup and then Qarabag. Decent against the mackems too. A few bad ones too, admittedly. Meanwhile Gordon occupied the CF position and did well. Where exactly was the disaster? The disaster is what has happened to us the second half of the season, which is roughly when we decided Nick wasn't scoring enough up top to keep his job. And if I can ask, when exactly was Gordon doing so well? I recall hearing he had one non-PK league goal in 14 months at one point this season, and he has all of three of them this year now. We've also shit the bed and have now fallen from being right in the thick of things for Europe (we were sitting 7th after the Chelsea draw where Nick scored twice) to now being in a position where it is still mathematically possible (though admittedly unlikely) for us to be relegated. A 16th or even 17th place finish is not out of the question given our form. We have 12 goals in our last 12 league games. We were much better than that during the first half of the season. But by golly, Gordon and Osula sure are fast in practice. And I'll say it again: NW starts up top: 9 matches, 20 league points. Anyone else: 25 matches (and counting), 22 points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Still no public apology? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 23 minutes ago, Loki679 said: Osula Gordon Woltemade Elanga Bruno Tonali It's got to be worth a try or in place as a backup tactic hasn't it? Our spend to end up with that front line is criminal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) He is made out to be far better than he actually is by the same people who want Eddie out , they make out he is only so poor because the manager isn't able to get the best out of him which is nonsense. He clearly has talent but he isn't strong or fast enough for this league. I think he will have a decent career in a different league but will be massively shocked if he ends up being a huge success in this league. Edited April 27 by Geogaddi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, Yorkie said: Osula is more effective than him. What is this based on? Woltemade does things in and around the box that causes the opposition massive problems. His ball to Wissa wasn't even surprising, it's the kind of thing he can do time and time again if we get the ball to him in the right areas (something he also needs to work on). He needs to get stronger, and definitely needs to work on his positioning and timing, but even in his current state I've seen nothing from Gordon, Osula, or Wissa to suggest dropping Woltemade from CF was the right call. He also should have been on pens instead of Gordon stat padding, even if he may have missed a couple more. Edited April 27 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) If football is so simple that if you run faster and stronger you are the better player then Messi won’t be the GOAT. And we won’t be humiliated by Barca. Edited April 27 by Zero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Magpie Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 34 minutes ago, Loki679 said: Osula Gordon Woltemade Elanga Bruno Tonali It's got to be worth a try or in place as a backup tactic hasn't it? I'd like to see Osula at RW. Elanga, to me, is a lost cause. Hell, put Barnes up top and see what happens for him playing off Nick. I think he's a more intelligent, instinctive off-the-ball runner and finisher than Gordon or Osula. I envision things like this: Barnes Gordon Woltemade Osula Bruno Tonali Hall Miley Thiaw Botman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Magpie Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 hour ago, Holloway said: This ripping the whole team up concept to fit him in is a bit wild to me, there's already been feasible suggestions put forward to accommodate him We don't have to rip up the whole team concept to fit any one player. We need to rip it up because it doesn't farking work any longer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 2 minutes ago, DC Magpie said: We don't have to rip up the whole team concept to fit any one player. We need to rip it up because it doesn't farking work any longer. Thats exactly the myth to me. People judging the ST position by Howe’s plan A requirement. But does the plan A work? No, for a fucking long time. Then why set the criteria like that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 I would like to see the 4231 but FWIW I do think we overrate the importance of formation. Formation isn’t ’the plan’ really, that’s much more about patterns of play and the movement of individual players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 10 minutes ago, DC Magpie said: We don't have to rip up the whole team concept to fit any one player. We need to rip it up because it doesn't farking work any longer. Don't necessarily agree, some tweaks and inspired recruitment coupled with a less demanding schedule and I'd back us to come back strong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 50 minutes ago, DC Magpie said: And I'll say it again: NW starts up top: 9 matches, 20 league points. Anyone else: 25 matches (and counting), 22 points. Any overlapping stats around which of those games Bruno played etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Said before I think Nick was very unlucky, he was doing fine but I guess the manager thought Wissa would guarantee goals. Then Wissa failed, results were bad and Eddie went back to the familiar pressing forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills and Boon Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 51 minutes ago, DC Magpie said: And I'll say it again: NW starts up top: 9 matches, 20 league points. Anyone else: 25 matches (and counting), 22 points. Nick's started 17 games up front in the league. That you feel the need to repeatedly lie to pad his stats speaks volumes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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