TomYam Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Wallsendmag said: But it will ensure that 1000s of our future generations of fans are locked out of SJP. As I said earlier if I had been locked out 39 years ago when my dad first started taking me I probably wouldn't have ended up being a Newcastle supporter. I went along and I was hooked, I went the next game and kept on going back. Its a dangerous game locking out your next generation of fans. Juventus old stadium was over 2/3rds empty on average for every match, that's why they downsized. We are sold out every match despite being in the relegation zone almost all season. It was a strange comparison. Juventus are in the strange situation of being the second most popular club in their city, struggle to get big attendances - and yet are by far the most popular and commercially successful club in Italy. Imagine Manchester United but with the attendances of West Brom: that is Juventus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, TomYam said: Newcastle only has one park in the city centre - and some people on this forum want to build a football stadium on it. Leazes Park is the oldest park in the city boundaries. It's Grade II listed and is in a Conservation Area. Leazes Terrace is Grade I listed building (the highest rank of national importance ) and is in a Conservation Area - some on this forum wish it be demolished or moved elsewhere. I’ve never seen anyone say Leazes Terrace should be demolished to be fair. The ideal scenario would be a land swap, with the stadium at Castle Leazes, then the current site turned into a park and Leazes Terrace opened up with views over park. There’s drawings of this and Leazes Terrace is massively improved as a result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: I’ve never seen anyone say Leazes Terrace should be demolished to be fair. The ideal scenario would be a land swap, with the stadium at Castle Leazes, then the current site turned into a park and Leazes Terrace opened up with views over park. There’s drawings of this and Leazes Terrace is massively improved as a result. It's been 30 yrs since I lived in Newcastle, so I don't know how much use Castle Leazes park gets today - probably a few dog walkers, but it is a bit tucked away behind the stadium and separated from the city center. I would think that the land-swap, where the ground moves up higher onto Castle Leazes and the redeveloped ground becomes a park, would make the park area much more accessible and used. Office workers taking lunch breaks in the park, more people walking through etc. It could be a win for the city as well as the club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomYam Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 I'm pretty sure Castle Leazes isn't large enough to build a 70,000 seat stadium on - especially when you consider parking, etc. It'd surely have to involve buying up the buildings between Castle Leazes and Barrack Road. Horribly complicated. However, it's under-utilised common moor land and a 'land swap' with St.James's could be a major improvement for both club and city. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robm Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, TomYam said: I'm pretty sure Castle Leazes isn't large enough to build a 70,000 seat stadium on - especially when you consider parking, etc. It'd surely have to involve buying up the buildings between Castle Leazes and Barrack Road. Horribly complicated. However, it's under-utilised common moor land and a 'land swap' with St.James's could be a major improvement for both club and city. There is hardly any parking at the ground now so can't see that as a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, TomYam said: I'm pretty sure Castle Leazes isn't large enough to build a 70,000 seat stadium on - especially when you consider parking, etc. It'd surely have to involve buying up the buildings between Castle Leazes and Barrack Road. Horribly complicated. However, it's under-utilised common moor land and a 'land swap' with St.James's could be a major improvement for both club and city. It is, we had a planning application in for a 55,000 seater that was expandable to 70,000 in the 90s and nothing has fundamentally changed about the site since then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzrahog Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 TBF we are a regular relegation candidate, the business has so many more important issues to deal with. Hopefully in 5 or 10 years time this might be an issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomYam Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 16 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: It is, we had a planning application in for a 55,000 seater that was expandable to 70,000 in the 90s and nothing has fundamentally changed about the site since then. You're right, but I think it encroached on to Leazes Park. Still feasible depending on design quality, infrastructure, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, ozzrahog said: TBF we are a regular relegation candidate, the business has so many more important issues to deal with. Hopefully in 5 or 10 years time this might be an issue. Good grief, how wrong does that sound, using the 'present tense' in that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzrahog Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, manorpark said: Good grief, how wrong does that sound, using the 'present tense' in that way. It is good grammar, we are a regular candidate for relegation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 16 minutes ago, ozzrahog said: It is good grammar, we are a regular candidate for relegation It is bad grammar as written like that it does not reflect reality as we know it now to be. If you wished to be accurate, rather than making 'a point' for some reason, instead of writing "TBF we are a regular relegation candidate" you would have automatically written "TBF we have been a regular relegation candidate". That's all I'm saying - accuracy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, TomYam said: You're right, but I think it encroached on to Leazes Park. Still feasible depending on design quality, infrastructure, etc. It did, I hadn't actually realised how much. Although obviously there was the benefit of the improvements to the setting of Leazes Terrace. IIRC the planning department seem to have been supportive, at least initially, but English Heritage objected and it was withdrawn when John Prescot decided to call the decision in. In my experience Historic England are less likely to intervene nowadays, particularly on stuff involving Grade 2 listings. They don't even need to be consulted on applications affecting Grade 2 listed buildings / parks, although they would here because it would be a major development that impacts on a conservation area. Edited February 18, 2022 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomYam Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Those stadium plans suggest the greater part was to be built on Leazes Park rather than Castle Leazes. Crazy to think the council approved, but then it's not exactly renowned for civic pride and John Hall was well known for, ahem, convincing people to support him. As I evinced in an earlier post, if a new stadium were built 100 metres further north-west along Barrack Road (from those earlier plans) then you could arrive at something really special that most NUFC fans would support. However, that would involve purchasing land housing student buildings and army reserves. Very complicated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macphisto Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 12 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: If you mean lost from SJP, then fair enough and I've misinterpreted what you were saying. I read it as you meaning we nearly lost them altogether Without the match going experience at 14-17 years old with your mates then yes we would have lost a lot of fans. In my experience, that time in a supporter's life is so crucial in developing life long bonds to a team. At best it turned a lot of who would have been serious fans in casual fans who probably completely lost interest during the Ashley years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macphisto Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 6 hours ago, Yorkie said: Well none of that chimes with your opening gambit of "Eighth biggest in the league!? Puh!" What you've said there is a reasonable argument but I still don't totally buy it. It's not like 49-51,000 seats is horribly inaccessible. If we're targeting a fanbase of millions then what difference is another 10,000 really going to make, at the expense of everything associated with SJP? I went to SJP three times before I was 18. It didn't turn me off. It might not have turned you off but it did for plenty of others or rather the crucial bonds that last a life-time and are developed between 14-17 years old going to the match just didn't develop. Also, I don't mean to be patronising here, but you missed out on so much as a young fan. Going to the match with with your mates in your mid to late teens is one of the best times, if not the best time to support a team. I would hate for future generations to be denied the opportunity to watch the match in-person like what happened during the Hall years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macphisto Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 6 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: I'm going to be blunt, this whole 'giving everyone a chance' bollocks is just PR brainwashed mind feedback. Even a cursory glance at how these things go (higher ticket prices, lower attendances, more corporate seats) should tell you that there's a 0% chance the people you reckon you're helping would benefit at all. Which PR? If we had a capacity of over 70,000+ then I'm confident there would be space for all groups of our supporters from corporate to local kids from the East and West ends of Newcastle. Some matches would be more difficult than others to obtain tickets for but most groups would be able to watch the team throughout the season. I think this ownership is very switched on and I have no doubt they know the importance of not cutting off future generations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 On 16/02/2022 at 21:46, Dr Jinx said: Borussia Dortmund’s stadium sort of looks like if ours has been built properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nufcjb Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 From the arricle abive: Paul Reed, associate director and sport and leisure lead at GT3 Architects, was involved in the design of the Manchester City’s stadium and training ground as well as the Olympique Stadium in London, now used by West Ham United. Good. Some experience will always help with mega projects like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kid Icarus Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 That's actually ingenius if possible like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheGuv Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: That's actually ingenius if possible like. Leazes Terrace surely would be a snag for lighting? Perhaps a smaller East Stand would work? Who knows? If they did it, it’s fucking amazing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) Wonder how that design would deal with the missing lower seats as well, presumably it would just be a drop to pitch level. EDIT: The pitch would be raised Edited February 18, 2022 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, TheGuv said: Leazes Terrace surely would be a snag for lighting? Perhaps a smaller East Stand would work? Who knows? If they did it, it’s fucking amazing. Both lighting / overbearing impact and impact on the setting of the listed building probably. But if not it does seem like an ingenious option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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