duo Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 2 hours ago, Sima said: A stadium on the arena site with an open section behind one of the goals with a view of the bridges would be unreal. Like the Vikings stadium. Be a pain in the arse to get to though - has to be in the City Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Just now, duo said: Be a pain in the arse to get to though - has to be in the City Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Given we got 16 k more from the last expansion, I thought it’d be more than 8k more if included east stand. Surely a move out of town cannot really be on the cards. I’d rather spend a couple of decades lingering in the championship and league one that move out of town. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Not really bothered which option they pick as long as they get rid of the East Stand and its regulars. Moribund collective cast of Cocoon, The Ringer and Fraggle Rock. Open air Westmorland Club bingo night Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: I think standing at away games probably came in regularly around the Dalglish era for us, football went through a strange time post all seater stadia for a bit don’t think anyone knew how to behave for a bit, but agree there’s a real reluctance to stand at home for some reason, it’s in stark contrast to Spurs new stand, the Kop, large swathes of Old Trafford, Gwladys Street End, South Stand Elland Road and even the Emirates. Where an outlier in this and seems to really impact the support at SJP in terms of song book and general noise, certainly think the atmosphere is a myth by lazy journalists. That's interesting. Wonder if we just got sick of the up and down nature of being a seated away fan and decided to stand. In the earlier days of that experience it was constantly an up and down, graze the shins affair but remember standing except for half-time at games at Coventry under Dalglish which cannot compare in importance or entertainment. Guess its all about whether someone in front of you takes the responsibility away. Know from sitting front row of the East Stand from 1991 I was conscious of standing in seated areas, but would have been fine to. Edited October 1 by Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 26 minutes ago, duo said: Be a pain in the arse to get to though - has to be in the City The Arena site is in the city … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said: The Arena site is in the city … ..Centre Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 58 minutes ago, Hovagod said: I’ve noticed this about the Ginola goal at Spurs in 95. Firstly, it’s strange to see loads of empty seats, but also we’re all sat as he scores. Likewise Watson’s at Anfield. I have always wondered why. I hate to give them credit for anything fan culture but was it Man Utd’s away support that kind of invented standing for ninety minutes at away games (in all seater stadiums). I’m a bit too young to remember the 90s but that’s how it appears. Interesting about the empty seats. That's the season I first started going to away games as a little kid. I was asking my dad recently how I was able to get tickets in those days - they were bought in my name, with no points or history of purchase - thinking they must have been in really high demand. I mean this was THAT season. But looks like they weren't in high demand? odd. (my dad couldn't really remember but just remembers that it wasn't a problem. I never got declined a ticket til the FA Cup quarter at Tranmere in 99/00 when we only got about 700 tickets) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Mixed areas aplenty those days too. Weird as it was only certain grounds (mainly London) but it’s proper jarring to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Was there not a travel issue with the Spurs game in 95? Similar to Old Trafford later on with the snow? Cant quite remember in the case of Sours but doesn't fit we'd have 5000 at Stoke for a league cup game midweek four days earlier and taking more there for a pre-season friendly a few month before.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Disco said: Mixed areas aplenty those days too. Weird as it was only certain grounds (mainly London) but it’s proper jarring to see. Yes. Was in what they called 'the shelf' a few seasons earlier. When Beardsley scored we realised it was more a mixed zone than infiiltration. If you look at the QPR away game in 94 there's fifty or so empty seats but we had the half the paddock which they didn't normally open to away fans, pockets all over the place and chunks of the stand opposite the main. Probably had a third of the crowd. Edited October 1 by Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 There were loads of cup games pre-Ashley without an atmosphere or any kind of noise. Against that Arab Israeli team for example. We got destroyed 1-5 off Birmingham in one game and I remember sitting in three of the stands at different points in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 24 minutes ago, duo said: ..Centre Which it is - or it isn't any less central than SJP. No-one would be going anywhere near SJP if they went into the city if they weren't going to the match Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 20 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said: Interesting about the empty seats. That's the season I first started going to away games as a little kid. I was asking my dad recently how I was able to get tickets in those days - they were bought in my name, with no points or history of purchase - thinking they must have been in really high demand. I mean this was THAT season. But looks like they weren't in high demand? odd. (my dad couldn't really remember but just remembers that it wasn't a problem. I never got declined a ticket til the FA Cup quarter at Tranmere in 99/00 when we only got about 700 tickets) If you went with the official travel club, you were pretty much guaranteed an away ticket even if you didn't have a ST. Sometimes there'd be a dozen or so of us from my school going to away games in the mid-90s. If didn't want to travel with the 'sarnie squad' (the official travel club was of course a dry coach), then you'd have to apply for a ticket and there'd be more chance of not getting a ticket. All cup games relied on a points system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 1 hour ago, Danh1 said: Add to this the new type of fan - the TikTok lot. The likes of Adam Pearson and John Sinclair who would sooner film their ugly mugs talking inane, hard to understand fucking bullshit into their camera during the game. Those are a minuscule part of the +50k people sitting in the stadium tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 (edited) 14 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: If you went with the official travel club, you were pretty much guaranteed an away ticket even if you didn't have a ST. Sometimes there'd be a dozen or so of us from my school going to away games in the mid-90s. If didn't want to travel with the 'sarnie squad' (the official travel club was of course a dry coach), then you'd have to apply for a ticket and there'd be more chance of not getting a ticket. All cup games relied on a points system. Ah yes, we did normally go with the official travel club (though did have ST). Remember when I didn't get Tranmere ticket and my dad did we asked club and got told vaguely it was 'based on a 10 year record' (and I was only 10 years old). I had gotten 98 and 99 cup final tickets, so I guess the travel club matches counted towards the points still. Went on Junior Magpies bus a couple of times too, maybe 3 or 4 times. (First time Coventry away 95/96). Seems a shame that doesn't happen anymore. Edited October 1 by Superior Acuña Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 If they want to improve the atmosphere, first you extend the standing section round across the lower tier of the Gallowgate. If your ST is there and you want to stand, good for you. If you don't, ST holders in other parts of the ground get first dibs, you get a seat somewhere else. Secondly you stop L7 being the "family area". Next to the away fans is where the most vocal support should be. Finally, you make the standing areas a specific category on the ballot. If you don't want to stand then apply for a different category. Ensures the standing areas are populated by like-minded fans who want to stand and make plenty of racket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC91 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 11 hours ago, Whitley mag said: Ground is made up of 90% customers and 10% supporters who want to get behind the team sad state of affairs. We’ve literally apart from wor flags got zero supporter culture anymore, I’d say at most PL grounds including top 6 large swathes stand throughout the match, its way to much effort for our lot who just want to turn up take a few pics, eat some shit food and run back and forward to the bog. Support was finished for good in Ashley years and won’t ever recover now. Absolutely spot on, I just have to look who sits around me, bloke Infront fucks off at 80 mins every game, 2 other lads leave at 35 mins for pint of piss water, others around bar 5 or 6 look like it's effort being there. The point you made about standing is a real annoyance of mine as our lot CBA to move seats to help create an end. It's full of excuses..oh I can't stand anymore, I've sat here for 20 years etc etc. For the last 12 years I've drove near 600 mile round trip since moving away and still get a buzz of going to the match with the lads yet it's sad to see people CBA to stay 90 mins or to clap a winning team off. It's funny but I far enjoyed watching us in the championship in level 7 with the craic and good songbook than any of the games now which says it all... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC91 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) 2 hours ago, Keegans Export said: If they want to improve the atmosphere, first you extend the standing section round across the lower tier of the Gallowgate. If your ST is there and you want to stand, good for you. If you don't, ST holders in other parts of the ground get first dibs, you get a seat somewhere else. Secondly you stop L7 being the "family area". Next to the away fans is where the most vocal support should be. Finally, you make the standing areas a specific category on the ballot. If you don't want to stand then apply for a different category. Ensures the standing areas are populated by like-minded fans who want to stand and make plenty of racket. Sadly our fans aren't 'united' enough to do that..it's 'their' seat "why should I move" Edited October 2 by NUFC91 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 11 hours ago, Wallsendmag said: There wasn't. They all sat down nicely as expected. This is an issue every single time we get returns from an away club. We then put them on sale, but not specifically as safe standing, so people buy them initially, not knowing that’s what they are. So you end up with a mix of people that want to stand and people that don’t, which obviously doesn’t work, and then everyone has to sit down. The club need to either sell them as specifically safe standing, or sell them as normal seating with some kind of note that safe standing is not in use for that game. And the stewards in that area need to be told the craic one way or the other to try and prevent any disputes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 12 hours ago, Whitley mag said: I’m basing it on last few years the support couldn’t be arsed to even stand at Wembley it was embarrassing. i'll give you that one - almost got into a fight with those behind for standing and singing. and they left early. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Hasn’t the arena site been sold for housing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) 1 minute ago, Andy84 said: Hasn’t the arena site been sold for housing I think so, yes, but since nothing has been built I imagine money could talk. It's going to be a while before the economy is good enough to guarantee profit from city centre housing in Newcastle, I would imagine. In an economic boom, they would've already started building it. Edited October 2 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 1 hour ago, NUFC91 said: Sadly our fans aren't 'united' enough to do that..it's 'their' seat "why should I move" It's not their seat though, they rent it from the club on a season by season basis. 1 hour ago, NUFC91 said: The point you made about standing is a real annoyance of mine as our lot CBA to move seats to help create an end. It's full of excuses..oh I can't stand anymore, I've sat here for 20 years etc etc. If people actually cared about the club but still didn't want to sing, surely they would vacate their seat to be replaced by someone who wants to stand and sing in order to improve the atmosphere? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Think we're all in agreement when I say "stand up if you love the toon" should be banned from any future new stadium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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