St James' Park

[LFEE]

6 hours ago, Interpolic said:

 

I guess it depends on the fanbase and their prior circumstances. Highbury and WHL were shitholes so they needed to move or redevelop. Arsenal are already exploring moving from the Emirates. 

Bit dismissive of Highbury and WHL when they have the very characteristics that you claim you’d lose from moving to a different ground from SJP.

 

Both great grounds for character as is SJP. They needed to move and redevelop to progress. We do to 🤷🏼‍♂️ 

 

As for new grounds with great acoustics after several visits to each I’d definitely put forward Emirates and Spurs. Middlesbrough and Sunderland if you want something closer to home.

 

West Ham’s new one however is everything you wouldn’t want in a football stadium. 

 

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 21:39 by LFEE

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, LFEE said:

Bit dismissive of Highbury and WHL when they have the very characteristics that you claim you’d lose from moving to a different ground from SJP.

 

Both great grounds for character as is SJP. They needed to move and redevelop to progress. We do to 🤷🏼‍♂️ 

 

As for new grounds with great acoustics after several visits to each I’d definitely put forward Emirates and Spurs. Middlesbrough and Sunderland if you want something closer to home.

 

West Ham’s new one however is everything you wouldn’t want in a football stadium. 

 

 

 

 

 

Completely agree.  Highbury in particular was light years away from being a shithole - parts of it were Grade-listed.  But ultimately it was holding Arsenal back in the long term - and this was pre-PSR.

 

Though I’d definitely have a knowing smirk if anyone suggested that Highbury had a better atmosphere  

[Jonas]

25 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Was hilarious. Used to annoy the hell out of the people in the boxes everyone peering in to watch the replays 

 

42 minutes ago, JLC said:

Absolutely loved the benches. Standing on them to look back at the TV replays in those prefab type boxes !

Great memories that.  Only sat there for one game (ZDS Cup against Oldham for a treat, probably £2 entry or something) and totally forgot about that happening but recall it vividly now.  Even then remember intra-stand banter "The Benches" to the United tune aimed at the Gallowgate. Weird cos usually I stood in the Gallowgate at the time.

[Jonas]

6 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Bit dismissive of Highbury and WHL when they have the very characteristics that you claim you’d lose from moving to a different ground from SJP.

 

Both great grounds for character as is SJP. They needed to move and redevelop to progress. We do to 🤷🏼‍♂️ 

 

As for new grounds with great acoustics after several visits to each I’d definitely put forward Emirates and Spurs. Middlesbrough and Sunderland if you want something closer to home.

 

West Ham’s new one however is everything you wouldn’t want in a football stadium. 

 

 

 

 

 

The mackems discuss frequently how bad their atmosphere is and has been for a long time and occasionally flipping down to Radio Newcastle from Five Live (Wolve Arsenal the other day e.g) its apparent.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 21:45 by Jonas

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Jonas said:

The mackems discuss frequently how bad their atmosphere is and has been for a long time.

Acoustics not atmosphere 

[TheGuv]

5 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Bit dismissive of Highbury and WHL when they have the very characteristics that you claim you’d lose from moving to a different ground from SJP.

 

Both great grounds for character as is SJP. They needed to move and redevelop to progress. We do to 🤷🏼‍♂️ 

 

As for new grounds with great acoustics after several visits to each I’d definitely put forward Emirates and Spurs. Middlesbrough and Sunderland if you want something closer to home.

 

West Ham’s new one however is everything you wouldn’t want in a football stadium. 

 

 

 

 

 

And yet a lot of Spurs fans hate their new home, despite their wonderful standing section and it’s taken Arsenal nigh on 20 years to create any semblance of an ‘end’.

 

I’ll be watching the new Everton stadium and how their fans find it with great interest. Perhaps they’re the real litmus test on this to compare to - moving from an incredibly historic ground with a great supporter base. 

[Stifler]

5 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Bit dismissive of Highbury and WHL when they have the very characteristics that you claim you’d lose from moving to a different ground from SJP.

 

Both great grounds for character as is SJP. They needed to move and redevelop to progress. We do to 🤷🏼‍♂️ 

 

As for new grounds with great acoustics after several visits to each I’d definitely put forward Emirates and Spurs. Middlesbrough and Sunderland if you want something closer to home.

 

West Ham’s new one however is everything you wouldn’t want in a football stadium. 

 

 

 

 

 

The Emirates is fucking shit. It has no streetscape, in fact you have to climb up to it to even get to the turnstiles.

If we are building a stadium in a park, it needs to interact with the park. Having frontages open up to it so you can go to the restaurant/cafe/bar on non matchdays.

It needs to interact on non-matchdays. The Emirates is just a blank wall around the vast majority of it.

[Stifler]

Just now, TheGuv said:

And yet a lot of Spurs fans hate their new home, despite their wonderful standing section and it’s taken Arsenal nigh on 20 years to create any semblance of an ‘end’.

 

I’ll be watching the new Everton stadium and how their fans find it with great interest. Perhaps they’re the real litmus test on this to compare to - moving from an incredibly historic ground with a great supporter base. 

I’d argue that Spurs fans don’t hate it, they just want Levy out and use it as a stick to beat him with.

[TheGuv]

Just now, Stifler said:

I’d argue that Spurs fans don’t hate it, they just want Levy out and use it as a stick to beat him with.

I’ve seen a fair few on X bemoaning it and hating the new tourist element.

 

But I suppose it does depend on any given mood on X. Probably doesn’t help they’ve been absolute dogshit this season.

[LFEE]

1 minute ago, Jonas said:

The mackems discuss frequently how bad their atmosphere is and has been for a long time and occasionally flipping down to Radio Newcastle from Five Live (Wolve Arsenal the other day e.g) its apparent.

 

 

 

When they moved in and finished above us and the Derby games the acoustics were brilliant as was the atmosphere generated.

 

I was in the away end for their opening game there against Man City and have attended all but one derby since they built it and its night and day compared to Roker park when I went 3 times. One of them being without any NUFC present.

[SteV]

49 minutes ago, JLC said:

I've heard there are 100+ businesses on the corporate box "waiting list." Just what I've heard. From both current and ex box owners

I suspect there probably is the demand for boxes, so they could ramp up the numbers there in any new stadium quite significantly.

 

Where there’s question marks is the individual premium match hospitality areas, your Rooftops and Wings, that rarely seem to sell out quickly.

[Stifler]

For what it’s worth, Saudi Arabia are building a state of the art 92k capacity stadium for the World Cup that will host both the opening games, and the final.

The total capacity for hospitality in the stadium would be equal to 3,859, that includes 120 private boxes, a 150 seat capacity luxury suit, 300 VIP seats, and 2,200 seats for distinguished guests.

 

I can’t see our stadium going above, or much above that. So that would still leave about 66,000 seats for us regular people.

[LFEE]

Yeah the Spurs hate is in the main those that want to beat Levy with something. The volume when Kane scored was impressive. It sort of reverberates as it bounces around the ground.

 

If I had to pick another favourite it would be Cardiff where we played the semis. Would love a potential roof that we could close.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 22:13 by LFEE

[OverThere]

5 hours ago, Groundhog63 said:

Seems the biggest noises about staying put are coming from ST holders that are very happy with their lot. 

Seeing as the lack of atmosphere in the ground is down to ST holders, in the main, staying put is the only noise they make. 

 

 

The East Stand blanket brigade are up in arms. Since I moved away and became a "tourist", when I do get to go I shout and yell and join in with every song as if it were my last game (because it could be).

[Groundhog63]

6 minutes ago, OverThere said:

The East Stand blanket brigade are up in arms. Since I moved away and became a "tourist", when I do get to go I shout and yell and join in with every song as if it were my last game (because it could be).

"tourist" in football parlance is like "woke" & "snowflake" in general political and societal conversation. 

Probably "immigrant" too. 

Where the actual causation of the problem, be it shit atmosphere or shit life, can't ever be down to the choices made by the, er, non-tourist. If you get me drift 😉

[duo]

6 hours ago, Groundhog63 said:

Seems the biggest noises about staying put are coming from ST holders that are very happy with their lot. 

Seeing as the lack of atmosphere in the ground is down to ST holders, in the main, staying put is the only noise they make. 

 

 

That is a bit of a generalisation - you could argue those who aren't ST holders are making the biggest noise about having a new stadium.  I am a season ticket holder and whilst I don't WANT to move, I know we HAVE to move to a new stadium to stand a chance of competing.  We need to up our revenue - simple as.  I don't think a bigger stadium will mean more season tickets available as I don't think they make much money from it.  It's corporate and day trippers they'll be targeting as that's where the money is at.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 22:59 by duo

[madras]

1 minute ago, duo said:

That is a bit of a generalisation - you could argue those who aren't ST holders are making the biggest noise about having a new stadium.  I am a season ticket holder and whilst I don't WANT to move, I know we HAVE to move to a new stadium to stand a chance of competing.  We need to up our revenue - simple as.  I don't think a bigger stadium will mean more season tickets available as I don't think they make much money from it.  It's corporate and day trippers they'll be targeting as that's where the money is at.

 

 

 

That's pretty much my view and all my match going mates (all ST holders). There may be a few more match day tickets for members but I doubt it'll be substantially more and really would only see a small increase in the number of ST's.

[Groundhog63]

3 minutes ago, duo said:

That is a bit of a generalisation - you could argue those who aren't ST holders are making the biggest noise about having a new stadium.  I am a season ticket holder and whilst I don't WANT to move, I know we HAVE to move to a new stadium to stand a chance of competing.  We need to up our revenue - simple as.  I don't think a bigger stadium will mean more season tickets available as I don't think they make much money from it.  It's corporate and day trippers they'll be targeting as that's where the money is at.

 

 

 

You might not be making a noise about it but you shouted with capitals enough to prove my generalisation has legs. 

You're alright jack, duo. 

[Groundhog63]

1 minute ago, madras said:

That's pretty much my view and all my match going mates (all ST holders). There may be a few more match day tickets for members but I doubt it'll be substantially more and really would only see a small increase in the number of ST's.

Again. Season ticket holders don't want a new ground because they've got it cushty. 

 

[duo]

1 minute ago, Groundhog63 said:

You might not be making a noise about it but you shouted with capitals enough to prove my generalisation has legs. .

Not really as I also said in capitals I know we HAVE to move and if asked to vote by the club I would be voting for a new stadium. 

[Groundhog63]

Just now, duo said:

Not really as I also said in capitals I know we HAVE to move and if asked to vote by the club I would be voting for a new stadium. 

Aye, I deliberately ignored that bit 😂

 

 

[madras]

11 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

Again. Season ticket holders don't want a new ground because they've got it cushty. 

 

Ahh you've noticed the HAVE !

[J7]

2 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Agreed.  But it happened in the ‘90s, too.  Football deserted its traditional fan base by pricing them out decades ago - why do you think the ground is full and the atmosphere is shite?  You don’t get groups of young working class lads going to the match anymore.  Priced out and ticketed out.  And anyone who thinks that the slush fund of a foreign dictatorship and a family of tax-dodging Tory billionaires are more likely to give a shit about where the matchday revenue is coming from than the local businessmen who ran the club back then needs a good shake.  

 

This is also why the ‘big six’ don’t have all ST stadiums - even though they easily could.

 

Football was sold off to the highest bidder yonks ago.

I think the cultures changed a bit too tbf, so it’s not all down to being priced out. 

[PauloGeordio]

 

 

 

Edited 21 hours ago by PauloGeordio

[cubaricho]

1 hour ago, PauloGeordio said:

 

 

 

 

I’d absolutely love some big fuck off “NEWCASTLE UNITED” in the wrap. Glass or whatever. That on the hill. 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼