St James' Park

[bobbydazzla]

56 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

When the alternatives are a complete rebuild on a new footprint or Murrayfield, there’s not much left. And yes, ST will always get 1st dibs. 

 

No offence to any people with ST's on here.

 

But fuck that 1st dibs shite and everything it stands for.

 

We've basically got a huge chasm between Ashley-era ST's and post-Ashley Members and the Ashley's get everything their own way and the post-Ashley's get absolutely fuck all.

 

It's especially unfair for the yoots. They've got no chance.

 

The club need to sort it out and massively narrow that chasm. It's been 5 years. 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 21 by bobbydazzla

[Tsunami]

The rebuilt SJP would hopefully sort that  out. Until it’s completed something would have to give. There’s no chance we would play at Murrayfield or SOL.

[bobbydazzla]

Just now, Tsunami said:

The rebuilt SJP would hopefully sort that  out. Until it’s completed something would have to give. There’s no chance we would play at Murrayfield or SOL.

 

In a reduced capacity situation: members get 50% and ST's get 50%.

 

ST's don't get to go to every game. A member isn't allowed to buy a ticket for every game.

 

It's a short term sacrifice that all supporters have to make for the greater good. Some might say we'd be united.

[LFEE]

4 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

In a reduced capacity situation: members get 50% and ST's get 50%.

 

ST's don't get to go to every game. A member isn't allowed to buy a ticket for every game.

 

It's a short term sacrifice that all supporters have to make for the greater good. Some might say we'd be united.

No chance that will happen IMO. Hence why (and we don’t need to rinse/repeat the debate) Murrayfield is an option being discussed.

 

Ironically it might be the kind of move that might see off the more flaky ST holders we have and give you what you are looking for in the longer term.

[bobbydazzla]

29 minutes ago, LFEE said:

No chance that will happen IMO. Hence why (and we don’t need to rinse/repeat the debate) Murrayfield is an option being discussed.

 

Ironically it might be the kind of move that might see off the more flaky ST holders we have and give you what you are looking for in the longer term.

 

If a season ticket holder said they're not willing to sacrifice going to a few games for the benefit of the greater good in a reduced capacity situation then I'd take their season ticket off them.

 

Same if a member kicked off because the number of games they could buy tickets for across a season was capped in a reduced capacity situation. 

 

What sort of selfish as fuck fan base are we if people aren't willing to work together to achieve a solution that allows everyone a bite of the apple. 

 

 

 

Edited May 21 by bobbydazzla

[nufcjb]

2 hours ago, Tsunami said:

If we do build a new stadium partly on the existing footprint could we at the same time upgrade the Gateshead Stadium. If you could get that up to a capacity to house all ST holders for maybe a season while the rest of the stadium is completed you could then leave the lasses with a better stadium to play in. Gateshead would then have a better stadium for both their team and bid for proper athletic events again. 
 

Great PR and something for the NE. Never going to happen but The International Stadium is currently neither nowt nor something. Hell, could even bid for the Commonwealth Games.

I suggested this the day the takeover went through. Get Gateshead up to Premier League reauirements at the very least. Could increase the capacity and then reduce it to a suitable number for Gatesheas to use for multiple purposeswhen we we're ready to move in to our new stadium. Win-win situation for them and us.

[LFEE]

9 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

If a season ticket holder said they're not willing to sacrifice going to a few games for the benefit of the greater good in a reduced capacity situation then I'd take their season ticket off them.

 

Same if a member kicked off because the number of games they could buy tickets for across a season was capped in a reduced capacity situation. 

 

What sort of selfish as fuck fan base are we if people aren't willing to work together to achieve a solution that allows everyone a bite of the apple. 

 

 

 

 

Not disagreeing with your overall point. Just saying I think between you and @Tsunami he’s the one likely to be proven right about who gets to attend any limited capacity games. I could be wrong.

 

I’m quite surprised the club are selling 250 ST’s this summer TBH but guess they felt they needed some goodwill after the Dundee debacle.

 

The kind of selfish fan base that wouldn’t work together to get rid of Ashley. Couldn’t get them to miss 10 minutes or a single game never mind half a season 

 

 

[bobbydazzla]

8 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Not disagreeing with your overall point. Just saying I think between you and @Tsunami he’s the one likely to be proven right about who gets to attend any limited capacity games. I could be wrong.

 

I’m quite surprised the club are selling 250 ST’s this summer TBH but guess they felt they needed some goodwill after the Dundee debacle.

 

The kind of selfish fan base that wouldn’t work together to get rid of Ashley. Couldn’t get them to miss 10 minutes or a single game never mind half a season 

 

 

 

If they went down Tsnuami's route I'd happily sit with Hoppy and point this out to him.

 

Imagine saying to an 18 year old:

 

You were too young to have your own season ticket in 2021 unless you're a nepo match goer, you've not been able to buy a season ticket since then, you've never been able to go to an away game and you're now not able to go to home games for the next couple of seasons because the pre-2021 season ticket holders have monopolised all the reduced capacity tickets.

 

Might as well just buy them an Man City shirt and let them crack on with filling City's coffers for the rest of their lives instead of NUFC's.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 21 by bobbydazzla

[LFEE]

Just now, bobbydazzla said:

 

If they went down Tsnuami's route I'd happily sit with Hoppy and point this out to him.

 

Imagine saying to an 18 year old:

 

You were too young to have your own season ticket in 2021 unless you're a nepo match goer, you've not been able to buy a season ticket since then, you've never been able to go to an away game and you're now not able to go to home games for the next couple of seasons because the pre-2021 season ticket holders have monopolised all the tickets.

 

Might as well just buy them an Man City shirt and let them crack on with filling City's coffers for the rest of their lives instead of NUFC's.

 

 

I agree. Had the same problem in the 90’s hence expanding from 36k to 52k. All problems and disagreements etc will recycle until they open up that 68k stadium. Even then you hope that’s big enough for the clubs lifespan as can’t see another following it. At least I won’t 

[SteV]

I’d guess if the Murrayfield scenario ever came to pass, they’d offer ST holders the opportunity to opt out for the period of time we were there, without it effecting their ST eligibility going forward.

 

Would then increase the number of tickets available for members for that period, and probably with less competition for them, given they’d probably be less demand from members overall.

[bobbydazzla]

12 minutes ago, LFEE said:

I agree. Had the same problem in the 90’s hence expanding from 36k to 52k. All problems and disagreements etc will recycle until they open up that 68k stadium. Even then you hope that’s big enough for the clubs lifespan as can’t see another following it. At least I won’t 

 

I was in my teens during the 90's lock out and my parents had never been to a football match in their lives, so no chance of a nepo ST for me.

 

My only way to get to a game was scrounging a ticket off anyone I knew with an ST who wasn't going. I was fucked over by the club's approach in what should have been my prime supporting age.

 

Hence why I'm so vociferous about not allowing ST's to lock everyone else out again, especially the yoots. And it's magnified further given ST's are currently 99% from the Ashley era, which is now half a decade ago.

 

 

 

Edited May 21 by bobbydazzla

[morpeth mag]

As someone who gave up their ST of 15 years as part of the Ashley protest I would propose that ST ticket holders who remain from that era are put to the bottom of the queue for the new stadium.

[Slim]

Lot fans only kept going because it's a day out in town. Doubt they would have kept there tickets if it was that far 

[Jackie Broon]

I think there very little chance we'd do anything that requires us to temporarily relocate. It just doesn't make any sense.

 

The idea that we would build on, or partially on, the existing footprint would be the worst of all worlds. It wouldn't have any less impact on Leazes Park, possibly more, would still impact on Leazes Terrace and would be massively disruptive to the club and supporters. It just doesn't pass the Ockham’s razor test.

 

 

Edited May 21 by Jackie Broon

[AyeDubbleYoo]

16 minutes ago, Slim said:

Lot fans only kept going because it's a day out in town. Doubt they would have kept there tickets if it was that far 

 

TBH I don't think I would keep attending every home game if it wasn't in Newcastle. Depending on the effect on ST waiting list etc. 

 

Also depending on if it turns out to be a European season and how many home games there actually are. 

 

Was already getting quite tricky to justify spending so much and going to a match every few days.

[SteV]

5 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

TBH I don't think I would keep attending every home game if it wasn't in Newcastle. Depending on the effect on ST waiting list etc. 

 

Also depending on if it turns out to be a European season and how many home games there actually are. 

 

Was already getting quite tricky to justify spending so much and going to a match every few days.

That stretch from the New Year to mackem home game in March was as close as I’ve ever felt to it being too much.

 

And although I went to a few aways in that period, I didn’t do any of the away CL games.

 

Anybody that did all or nearly all of them must have really felt the time pressure and the cost. Think it was something like 23 games in 77 days.

[bobbydazzla]

9 minutes ago, SteV said:

That stretch from the New Year to mackem home game in March was as close as I’ve ever felt to it being too much.

 

And although I went to a few aways in that period, I didn’t do any of the away CL games.

 

Anybody that did all or nearly all of them must have really felt the time pressure and the cost. Think it was something like 23 games in 77 days.

 

One thing I've always been curious about, the proper hardcore supporters who get to every game home & away year after year, how on earth do they manage it if they're employed (rather than self employed) and have families.

 

Bit easier if you live in London and follow a London team given how many games are within an hour or so, but our lot don't have that luxury.

 

[SteV]

Just now, bobbydazzla said:

 

One thing I've always been curious about, the proper hardcore supporters who get to every game home & away year after year, how on earth do they manage it if they're employed (rather than self employed) and have families.

 

Bit easier if you live in London and follow a London team given how many games are within an hour or so, but our lot don't have that luxury.

 

Think there’s a few divorcee’s amongst them 😬😬

 

I think over time folk do end up getting themselves into a job that allows them to travel away whenever. Usually that’s self-employment, but also jobs where getting leave when you want isn’t too much of a problem.

 

Doesn’t make it any cheaper like.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I'd never want to go to away games as well as home games, that's excessive football for me

 

When I lived down south I did a bit of both but obviously far less total games. And the aways were much more accessible in London, south coast and places like Coventry, Cardiff and Swansea. 

 

 

Edited May 21 by AyeDubbleYoo

[bobbydazzla]

7 minutes ago, SteV said:

Think there’s a few divorcee’s amongst them 😬😬

 

I think over time folk do end up getting themselves into a job that allows them to travel away whenever. Usually that’s self-employment, but also jobs where getting leave when you want isn’t too much of a problem.

 

Doesn’t make it any cheaper like.

 

The one lad I'm acquainted with who never misses a game is self employed, has no kids or missus and watching football is pretty much their life. If NUFC aren't playing they're at random games as a neutral.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 21 by bobbydazzla

[SteV]

20 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

The one lad I'm acquainted with who never misses a game is self employed, has no kids or missus and watching football is pretty much their life. If NUFC aren't playing they're at random games as a neutral.

 

 

 

 

 

Living the dream some might say…

 

There is a point where it morphs from a hobby to a lifestyle choice like.

[SteV]

23 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I'd never want to go to away games as well as home games, that's excessive football for me

 

When I lived down south I did a bit of both but obviously far less total games. And the aways were much more accessible in London, south coast and places like Coventry, Cardiff and Swansea. 

 

 

 

Is Swansea ever particularly accessible for anyone except people in Swansea?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

25 minutes ago, SteV said:

Is Swansea ever particularly accessible for anyone except people in Swansea?

 

Not exactly, but it's a shorter drive from Reading or Oxford where I lived at the time. Dire location though, similar to Southampton. 

[SteV]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Not exactly, but it's a shorter drive from Reading or Oxford where I lived at the time. Dire location though, similar to Southampton. 

Reading might actually be the worst located football ground in the country. The definition of soulless. Although I’ve never been to Oxford, and that looks pretty bad…

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, SteV said:

Reading might actually be the worst located football ground in the country. The definition of soulless. Although I’ve never been to Oxford, and that looks pretty bad…

 

I went to Reading for nearly a whole season when they were good. That's how I know a retail park is not the way to go  Even though I was able to walk rather than use the park and ride, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Although TBF there's a load of modern housing near there now, IIRC. 

 

Oxford is quite similar although had the interest of a missing stand at one end. I was there when they knocked us out of the cup with Mitro missing multiple sitters. 

 

I used to go to Maidenhead Utd which is alright for non-league. Bromley is my all-time favourite though, Dulwich Hamlet being a bit too hipster to have the real non-league charm. 

 

 

Edited May 21 by AyeDubbleYoo