St James' Park

[huss9]

45 minutes ago, Sima said:

Was in the L7 corner last night at the front.

 

Group of lads being me didn’t seem remotely interested in the game and were just updating each other on the scores in the Champions League games and another couple of lads next to me fucked off on 35 minutes with one returning on 57 minutes and the other returning in the 73rd minute.  
 

They all knew each other so they must be ST holders.

Where the fuck do you go in the ground for nearly an hour?

 

 

 

was completely shite on the pitch, like.

[Wallsendmag]

14 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

I’m basing it on last few years the support couldn’t be arsed to even stand at Wembley it was embarrassing.

 

Wembley for me was a massive eye opener. As disappointed as I was with the result our support that day for such a big occasion was pitiful. Looking up and seeing the Upper Tier sat in near silence was awful. So far removed compared to our other Wembley appearances, plus Cardiff which was genuinely spine tingling and we went from totally drowning out the Mancs on that occasion to being totally outung by them last year.

 

My one abiding memory of that League Cup final was at HT a yoingish lass going absolutely mental with everyone for not getting behind the team. A truely horrific day all round.

[Wallsendmag]

2 hours ago, SteV said:

This is an issue every single time we get returns from an away club.

 

We then put them on sale, but not specifically as safe standing, so people buy them initially, not knowing that’s what they are. 
 

So you end up with a mix of people that want to stand and people that don’t, which obviously doesn’t work, and then everyone has to sit down.

 

The club need to either sell them as specifically safe standing, or sell them as normal seating with some kind of note that safe standing is not in use for that game. And the stewards in that area need to be told the craic one way or the other to try and prevent any disputes.

 

It's officially a safe standing area. If some fans wanted to stand can the stewards force them to sit down if they're blocking the view of people who want to sit like they could in a seated area?

[TwoForJoy]

2 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Wembley for me was a massive eye opener. As disappointed as I was with the result our support that day for such a big occasion was pitiful. Looking up and seeing the Upper Tier sat in near silence was awful. So far removed compared to our other Wembley appearances, plus Cardiff which was genuinely spine tingling and we went from totally drowning out the Mancs on that occasion to being totally outung by them last year.

 

My one abiding memory of that League Cup final was at HT a yoingish lass going absolutely mental with everyone for not getting behind the team. A truely horrific day all round.

I think the club's allocation of tickets for the final was questionable. I think they gave far too many to corporate.

[NUFC91]

2 hours ago, Scoot said:

 

It's not their seat though, they rent it from the club on a season by season basis.

 

 

If people actually cared about the club but still didn't want to sing, surely they would vacate their seat to be replaced by someone who wants to stand and sing in order to improve the atmosphere?

 

Sadly not with a lot of our supporters, they'll bitch and moan, there was women who kicked off massively in strawberry corner as she didn't want to stand...sad state of affairs

[SteV]

16 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

It's officially a safe standing area. If some fans wanted to stand can the stewards force them to sit down if they're blocking the view of people who want to sit like they could in a seated area?

I don’t know what the current stewarding policy is in that area tbf. But it’s the ambiguous nature of the way club sell the tickets that’s exacerbating the issue. If it was made clear that it was a safe standing area, then you’d get far less people in there who didn’t want to stand.

[NUFC91]

https://www.themag.co.uk/2024/10/the-atmosphere-is-bad-because-of-newcastle-united-season-ticket-holders-no-one-else/

 

Put this in match atmosphere thread, article I sent to the mag 

[Doctor Zaius]

8 minutes ago, NUFC91 said:

 

Sadly not with a lot of our supporters, they'll bitch and moan, there was women who kicked off massively in strawberry corner as she didn't want to stand...sad state of affairs

 

Tough shite. You've knowingly bought a ticket in the safe standing. 

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

17 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said:

Tough shite. You've knowingly bought a ticket in the safe standing. 

 

Sounds like it wasn't knowingly. Still tough obviously. 

 

 

 

Edited October 2, 2024 by AyeDubbleYoo

[NUFC_Chris]

50 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Wembley for me was a massive eye opener. As disappointed as I was with the result our support that day for such a big occasion was pitiful. Looking up and seeing the Upper Tier sat in near silence was awful. So far removed compared to our other Wembley appearances, plus Cardiff which was genuinely spine tingling and we went from totally drowning out the Mancs on that occasion to being totally outung by them last year.

 

My one abiding memory of that League Cup final was at HT a yoingish lass going absolutely mental with everyone for not getting behind the team. A truely horrific day all round.

I certainly don’t remember being outsung by Manure fans in the cup final. Their fans were embarrassingly bad that day, most of them fucked off twenty minutes before and they’d won the bloody thing. 

[Whitley mag]

50 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Wembley for me was a massive eye opener. As disappointed as I was with the result our support that day for such a big occasion was pitiful. Looking up and seeing the Upper Tier sat in near silence was awful. So far removed compared to our other Wembley appearances, plus Cardiff which was genuinely spine tingling and we went from totally drowning out the Mancs on that occasion to being totally outung by them last year.

 

My one abiding memory of that League Cup final was at HT a yoingish lass going absolutely mental with everyone for not getting behind the team. A truely horrific day all round.

Was a bit galling we’d mocked the mackems for their no shows at Wembley in terms of support and then we were exactly the same. Even on Baker Street and coming up Wembley Way there just wasn’t that same radged up support I’d become accustomed to on these occasions, was really deflating and depressing, whatever people say about the Mancs they made far more noise in the stadium than we did.

 

Like you say night and day between LC Final and Cardiff when we got absolutely hammered.

 

 

[Big River]

2 minutes ago, NUFC_Chris said:

I certainly don’t remember being outsung by Manure fans in the cup final. Their fans were embarrassingly bad that day, most of them fucked off twenty minutes before and they’d won the bloody thing. 

 

we absolutely were. you could hear a pin drop in our end, I was in the standing bit as well, it was embarrassing.

[Whitley mag]

3 minutes ago, NUFC_Chris said:

I certainly don’t remember being outsung by Manure fans in the cup final. Their fans were embarrassingly bad that day, most of them fucked off twenty minutes before and they’d won the bloody thing. 

They were much louder during the 90 minutes.

[WilliamPS]

26 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Was a bit galling we’d mocked the mackems for their no shows at Wembley in terms of support and then we were exactly the same. Even on Baker Street and coming up Wembley Way there just wasn’t that same radged up support I’d become accustomed to on these occasions, was really deflating and depressing, whatever people say about the Mancs they made far more noise in the stadium than we did.

 

Like you say night and day between LC Final and Cardiff when we got absolutely hammered.

 

 

We had the other end of the ground so a lot of fans never went near Wembley way or Baker St

[Jamie87]

All I'll say about Wembley is that it cemented my absolute hatred of Man Utd and their fan base. Sang about Shearer and booed Karius. That's all I remember. And Wembley is basically a Home game for the London crowd as well. I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but I have to admit to being slightly overawed by the whole Wembley thing, it didn't feel real. I didn't think we were the meek and quiet crowd that some make it out, but it was disappointing not to hear the Blaydon Races at least once. I'm angry all over again now, fucking Pope getting sent off against Liverpool was so disastrous.

[Wallsendmag]

2 hours ago, NUFC_Chris said:

I certainly don’t remember being outsung by Manure fans in the cup final. Their fans were embarrassingly bad that day, most of them fucked off twenty minutes before and they’d won the bloody thing. 

 

We very much were. I was directly behind our goal and could hear them more than I could hear us lot. And "most" of them didn't fuck off 20 mins before the end either 

 

Compared to the 3 other times I've seen us play them at a neutral venue where we completely drowned them out for 90 minutes despite getting battered on the pitch it was a massive disappointment. Could tell our fans weren't up for it in the pubs beforehand and walking down Wembley Way.

[Wallsendmag]

1 hour ago, WilliamPS said:

We had the other end of the ground so a lot of fans never went near Wembley way or Baker St

 

We were in Baker Street and it was easlily 90% Newcastle. Man Utd were the other side mainly around Kilburn.

[Lush Vlad]

2 hours ago, Big River said:

 

we absolutely were. you could hear a pin drop in our end, I was in the standing bit as well, it was embarrassing.

 

Agree with this.  I was in Club Wembley as it was the only way I could get a ticket.  But it was in our end of the ground and the atmosphere was pretty tame.  

 

I think someone mentioned the other day that our crowd are very reactive these days.  Needs to be something happening on the pitch to get the fans riled up, like a controversial decision, a horror tackle from the other team, a goal or a load of chances and pressure for us.  

 

I think the fact Man U scored two fairly quick goals and quite early in the game.  Just totally killed any atmosphere from early on.  I remember the first 10 minutes when we actually got forward being at least ok'ish.

 

Pretty shit that it's like that but it does feel that way to me.  I doubt it is exclusive to our fans, either. 

[Stifler]

On the subject of the cup final, I have to say as someone who was left at home watching on TV, not a pop from the Man Utd fans was heard. It was all our fans, that’s how it came across on TV in anyway.

 

Anyway, I’ve now been unsuccessful in all 6 ballots so far.

A Gallowgate extension at SJP simply isn’t enough to satisfy demand for tickets.

[WilliamPS]

I do think there’s quite a big difference between maximising revenue for the club and maximising number of fans in the ground. They are related but not the same.

 

One option that would satisfy everyone pretty much would be a big extension of the east stand. Is there really no chance of demolishing the listed buildings? It’s not like they are especially unique, there are plenty of other similiar streets. Liverpool gave up world heritage status to allow Everton’s stadium. Knock them down or incorporate them into an enlarged stand.

[duo]

5 minutes ago, WilliamPS said:

I do think there’s quite a big difference between maximising revenue for the club and maximising number of fans in the ground. They are related but not the same.

100% - only way to max revenue is more corporate 

[RS]

How about keeping the stadium as is for the traditionalists and building a flat pack down the arse end of Newcastle for the 1992’ers?  Alternate home games between the 2? Allowing 140,000 people to watch, albeit fewer games. 

 

[FloydianMag]

Interesting 

[Jonas]

The atmosphere is bad almost everywhere and anywhere that's not would be without momentum and has been before.

In recent weeks I've heard Anfield described as "very, VERY, quiet" and Molineux asleep. Every forum you look on talks about how bad their atmosphere is.

Its nothing to do with stadium contours, standing v sitting (it was dead pre Keegan with 80% standing) is sort of to do with season ticket holders but only really as a generation. Were now a few generations into the sanitised non-aggressive (for better or worse) era - i cant see that being undone 

 

Can see it all over the net and on here how quickly and easily modern fans turn on their own team/club when the entertainment doesn't meet their standards - rather than get behind them or get on the opposition. Its hard to imagine that isn't replicated by those in the stadiums.

Don't think any normal fans went for 'entertainment' back in the day, people in the boxes maybe, it was a rare occurance in any event (Keegan and Ossie were exceptions at the time) but you kept going back because that wasn't your raison d'etre as a fan. Now it seems it very much is and the prices paid for entry, why wouldn't it be I suppose.

 

 

Edited October 2, 2024 by Jonas

[Kanj]

I was the cup final and don’t agree, thought it was pretty even in the main. They were up, we were losing, and honestly playing shite, we had the most nervous set of fans of all time given we finally made a cup final. Man United fans I spoke to after told me they thought our fans were louder. Comparing your noise you hear from your own end to the one you hear on the other end doesn’t seem a great barometer of measure tbh.
 

People who saw on tv who were neutral told me they felt they heard our fans more and Man United only came alive when they felt it was over.
 

in any case, this argument is funny to me, not even sure why this point actually needs to be brought up every few months. Stop whinging about the fan noise not being up to your standard or how it used to be - it’s a widely known fact football and the sport supporting fan has changed. The best you can do is keep making noise, teach the youngins in your family or their friends how to do it and just hope it carries forward.