St James' Park

[Kid Icarus]

Good, it would have been absolutely shite

 

I don't think it was ever a viable option either tbf

[Guest]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

Good, it would have been absolutely shite

 

I don't think it was ever a viable option either tbf

I know I’m just bored at work today

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

Good, it would have been absolutely shite

 

I don't think it was ever a viable option either tbf

Just about the only viable option in the city centre.  Would’ve been perfect in all honesty. 

[manorpark]

42 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Good, it would have been absolutely shite

 

I don't think it was ever a viable option either tbf

 

The long-standing "Quayside West" housing proposed for this location always made it an unlikely option, even when enlarged after the Newcastle Arena moves out . . . 

 

[RodneyCisse]

13 minutes ago, manorpark said:

 

The long-standing "Quayside West" housing proposed for this location always made it an unlikely option, even when enlarged after the Newcastle Arena moves out . . . 

 

Imagine that location though for a football ground, get a massive cut out in one of the stands for a view of the bridges akin to PNC Park.

[Whitley mag]

Think Castle Leazes is the only alternative for a new stadium now and that comes with massive issues to overcome.

 

Hopefully, these architects can come up with something spectacular for a full renovation of SJP in line with the Bernabau.

 

 

Edited February 15, 2024 by Whitley mag

[SteV]

1 hour ago, Jack27 said:

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/newcastle-city-council_quayside-west-the-largest-land-parcel-in-activity-7163835324547207169-NDPY?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios 
 

one less place for a new stadium in the city. Fucking Ashworth!

Didn’t see how that site ever really worked from a transport infrastructure POV.

 

Doesn’t matter now though.

[FloydianMag]

2 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Just about the only viable option in the city centre.  Would’ve been perfect in all honesty. 

My daughter is a Consultant Town Planner and had visited the site and said it would’ve been the ideal place to build a new stadium, oh well?‍♂️

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, SteV said:

Didn’t see how that site ever really worked from a transport infrastructure POV.

 

Doesn’t matter now though.

Its transport links as pretty much as good as SJP

[Nucasol]

6 minutes ago, FloydianMag said:

My daughter is a Consultant Town Planner and had visited the site and said it would’ve been the ideal place to build a new stadium, oh well?‍♂️

Seems a huge missed opportunity. Could have been spectacular there if done well, with plenty of scope to make it the 2030 focused stadium that will be the envy of pretty much every club bar Real Madrid or Spurs.

[SteV]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Its transport links as pretty much as good as SJP

I don’t really want to go over it, as now it’s ruled out, it’s completely irrelevant, but.. if you’re coming from the (localised) west you’re more than likely coming in via the Redheugh Bridge or Scotswood Road.

 

If you were to whack a new mega stadium at that location, you make those two routes, that get very congested on match day, even more congested, possibly to the point where they struggle to cope.

 

Maybe they’d get round it with some large-scale park and rides somewhere the other side of Gateshead and somewhere near the MetroCentre, but you’d need a fair chunk of land.

 

Anyway, like I said, all irrelevant now, so I’ll not waste everyone’s time any further.

[FloydianMag]

20 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

Seems a huge missed opportunity. Could have been spectacular there if done well, with plenty of scope to make it the 2030 focused stadium that will be the envy of pretty much every club bar Real Madrid or Spurs.

Agreed, my daughter told me Wembley Way like access could have been built to access Central Station and Metro. Huge missed opportunity.

[Cookie1892]

its a shame they built on the brewery site in hindsight with the helix etc 

 

that whole area would have been canny but we were taken over 10 year too late

 

 

 

Edited February 15, 2024 by Cookie1892

[Sima]

26 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

Seems a huge missed opportunity. Could have been spectacular there if done well, with plenty of scope to make it the 2030 focused stadium that will be the envy of pretty much every club bar Real Madrid or Spurs.

Would have been immense with a cutaway in one of the corners with a view of the bridges as previously mentioned.

[Stifler]

I’m a firm believer that we need more homes in built up areas to reduce the need for commuting etc, however with that site I’m not so sure.

 

Irregardless of us ever using that as a location for a Newcastle United stadium, I have long thought that they should use that site for various, and multiple sporting facilities. Maybe a replacement for Kingston Park, maybe a cycling velodrome, or an ice rink so we can bring back an Ice Hockey team to the city. Also think maybe we could built a small athletic stadium to replace the Gateshead International stadium.

 

 

Edited February 16, 2024 by Stifler

[Stifler]

43 minutes ago, FloydianMag said:

Agreed, my daughter told me Wembley Way like access could have been built to access Central Station and Metro. Huge missed opportunity.

Yeah, the old railway bridge would have been used as a pedestrian access, and would have brought you direct to Central Station. There were plans some years back for an arena rebuild with travellators running along it.

 

The downsides travel wise would have been that it’s a bit further out from the main local bus stations, and all the Metro passengers would have been lumped into 1 station instead of spread out between all the city centre stations, and Jesmond station.

[LFEE]

59 minutes ago, SteV said:

I don’t really want to go over it, as now it’s ruled out, it’s completely irrelevant, but.. if you’re coming from the (localised) west you’re more than likely coming in via the Redheugh Bridge or Scotswood Road.

 

If you were to whack a new mega stadium at that location, you make those two routes, that get very congested on match day, even more congested, possibly to the point where they struggle to cope.

 

Maybe they’d get round it with some large-scale park and rides somewhere the other side of Gateshead and somewhere near the MetroCentre, but you’d need a fair chunk of land.

 

Anyway, like I said, all irrelevant now, so I’ll not waste everyone’s time any further.

Don’t forget the potential organised booze ferries collecting from North & South Shields and also up to Blaydon & beyond. Would’ve been class…

[SteV]

4 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Don’t forget the potential organised booze ferries collecting from North & South Shields and also up to Blaydon & beyond. Would’ve been class…

The one’s up the Thames might be class, but I’m not sure going up in the Tyne when it’s -3 in January would have the same effect…?

[ponsaelius]

2 hours ago, SteV said:

Didn’t see how that site ever really worked from a transport infrastructure POV.

 

Doesn’t matter now though.

 

What transport infrastructure would it have needed? It's not quite as good a location as SJP but it benefits in the same way any city core location in that the transport infrastructure already exists. It would make a great location for a new stadium for all the same reasons it makes sense as a sustainable residential development. 

 

On a football fan level I dislike it because I don't really like new stadia built in urban extensions, they 'feel' soulless to me. But as a means of finally developing a long vacant brownfield site with hugely restrictive sunk costs it would make a lot of sense.

[Bally21]

If we have to move from SJP then the 2 city centre locations were Arena and Castle Leazes (if you want to class Castle Leazes as city centre).

 

I think the arena site would have been fantastic. Alas not to be.

 

Castle Leazes has it's problems, so that might not happen.

 

So if it's not SJP, the ground might be outside the city centre, which I think would be really bad news.

[FloydianMag]

24 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Yeah, the old railway bridge would have been used as a pedestrian access, and would have brought you direct to Central Station. There were plans some years back for an arena rebuild with travellators running along it.

 

The downsides travel wise would have been that it’s a bit further out from the main local bus stations, and all the Metro passengers would have been lumped into 1 station instead of spread out between all the city centre stations, and Jesmond station.

I’ve just been speaking to my daughter, she said it’s been ‘master planned’ for housing and that doesn’t mean that it’ll definitely happen, although now there’s been a public announcement it could drive up local expectations. So it still could be available it would depend if our owners wanted to buy the land or put forward plans for a new ground. 

[FloydianMag]

28 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Don’t forget the potential organised booze ferries collecting from North & South Shields and also up to Blaydon & beyond. Would’ve been class…

Also the line up to Blyth, Ashington is opening soon straight into the Central Station.

 

[Stifler]

Just now, FloydianMag said:

I’ve just been speaking to my daughter, she said it’s been ‘master planned’ for housing and that doesn’t mean that it’ll definitely happen, although now there’s been a public announcement it could drive up local expectations. So it still could be available it would depend if our owners wanted to buy the land or put forward plans for a new ground. 

Yeah, up until foundations etc all go in, everything is up for grabs. If homes England own it then don’t expect anything to quickly happen. On major projects the government like to make multiple announcements, it makes them look good.

 

The land will effectively be for sale in anyway, they will be selling to developers, homes England don’t do the building themselves, they only put in roads and such via subcontractors. They are doing exactly just that at a development on the Northern edge of Morpeth right now.

 

If we wanted the site and paid enough they would sell to us, although we may either have to give them land on in return to build houses, or compo them a bit on top to buy new land.

 

That job will already have been earmarked for someone, or someone has already been working on it and are waiting to be given a transfer of title etc, but they legally have to let people apply for it.

Even Homes England have owned the land for a while, but this announcement is just there to give Sunak’s pledge to build houses in urban areas some credence, like I was saying before, multiple announcements.

[FloydianMag]

17 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Yeah, up until foundations etc all go in, everything is up for grabs. If homes England own it then don’t expect anything to quickly happen. On major projects the government like to make multiple announcements, it makes them look good.

 

The land will effectively be for sale in anyway, they will be selling to developers, homes England don’t do the building themselves, they only put in roads and such via subcontractors. They are doing exactly just that at a development on the Northern edge of Morpeth right now.

 

If we wanted the site and paid enough they would sell to us, although we may either have to give them land on in return to build houses, or compo them a bit on top to buy new land.

 

That job will already have been earmarked for someone, or someone has already been working on it and are waiting to be given a transfer of title etc, but they legally have to let people apply for it.

Even Homes England have owned the land for a while, but this announcement is just there to give Sunak’s pledge to build houses in urban areas some credence, like I was saying before, multiple announcements.

My daughter did work on the master plan, she’s left local planning now acting as a consultant nationally. So not all lost still a sliver of hope.

[Whitley mag]

Just now, FloydianMag said:

My daughter did work on the master plan, she’s left local planning now acting as a consultant nationally. So not all lost still a sliver of hope.

I’m sure someone on here a while back said the council had actively encouraged club to look at this site but they weren’t interested.

 

Just hope they know more than they’ve let on about feasibility of expanding SJP, or we could be left with no options bar an out of town stadium, which would be unpalatable to vast majority.