St James' Park

[TomYam]

2 hours ago, huss9 said:

you can't vote for staying unless you know what the plans for sjp are.

you can't vote for leave unless you know where its moving to.

 

 

 

You're right, of course, but you could canvas fans' opinions based on a very simple poll such as:

 

Choose one, would you prefer to:

 

A. Stay at St.James's Park permanently - renovated and with a small increase in capacity. 

 

B. Move to a new stadium at either Castle Leazes or the Arena site with a 70,000+ capacity.

[Tross]

2 minutes ago, TomYam said:

You're right, of course, but you could canvas fans' opinions based on a very simple poll such as:

 

Choose one, would you prefer to:

 

A. Stay at St.James's Park permanently - renovated and with a small increase in capacity. 

 

B. Move to a new stadium at either Castle Leazes or the Arena site with a 70,000+ capacity.

 

C. Don't know

[JonBez comesock]

A. If it meant we could get to 62/65k

As well as a huge refurb inside and out  

massive overhaul 

 

if not …..

 

B. As long as it was in Leazes park / Town Moor (65-68k) maximum and plenty scope for more revenue ,

 

ideally - Best in class /  unbelievably stunning / all singing / all dancing /

to attract players that might be on the fence about joining  /  also make the football world stand up and take notice!!

[manorpark]

54 minutes ago, JonBez comesock said:

 

As long as it was in Leazes park / Town Moor (65-68k) maximum and plenty scope for more revenue ,

 

 

If it was in "Castle Leazes Moor" it would be virtually where SJP is now, just a few yards away the other side of Leazes Park, and I would expect if we did that then it would hold more than 70,000!

[Arknor]

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/newcastle-university-announces-250m-scheme-28658394

Castle leazes gets knocked down in the summer.

NUFC should do a land swap and get some of the moor to build a new stadium

I guess it's a bit late now sadly 

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, Arknor said:

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/newcastle-university-announces-250m-scheme-28658394

Castle leazes gets knocked down in the summer.

NUFC should do a land swap and get some of the moor to build a new stadium

I guess it's a bit late now sadly 

New stadium flats ruining my dream? What a day

[Rafalove]

We should never leave the current ground. It would only be vaguely worthwhile for a city centre location. There’s no guarantee we could get anywhere near the same numbers if we moved outside the city centre.

[et tu brute]

2 minutes ago, Rafalove said:

We should never leave the current ground. It would only be vaguely worthwhile for a city centre location. There’s no guarantee we could get anywhere near the same numbers if we moved outside the city centre.

We should leave the current ground, but I do agree it has to be within the city limits.

[Guest]

I reckon there's only 2 options for most people.

 

1. Stay at st James park. 65000 max 

 

2. Move to castle leazes/town moor for a 70000 stadium with potential to expand further. 

 

Either is fine by me. Fuck that shit on the arena site, we need the castle on the hill. 

[Keegans Export]

41 minutes ago, Rafalove said:

We should never leave the current ground. It would only be vaguely worthwhile for a city centre location. There’s no guarantee we could get anywhere near the same numbers if we moved outside the city centre.

 

38 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

We should leave the current ground, but I do agree it has to be within the city limits.

 

I'd rather stay where we are without any expansion than move outside the city centre. 

[gbandit]

Outside the city centre is surely a non-negotiable for all fans, would be utter shit both for the city and the club 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, Rafalove said:

We should never leave the current ground. It would only be vaguely worthwhile for a city centre location. There’s no guarantee we could get anywhere near the same numbers if we moved outside the city centre.

The problem is that folks think that the argument for a new stadium is getting a few more thousand in.

 

This isn’t it at all.  The problem with SJP isn’t just capacity - it’s the fact that it’s a stadium not designed to maximise commercial revenue in the way that modern football stadiums are.  If SJP could be expanded to 60k, and all that mattered was regular match day tickets, it wouldn’t be worth a move.  But to think that is to miss the point. 

[et tu brute]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

The problem is that folks think that the argument for a new stadium is getting a few more thousand in.

 

This isn’t it at all.  The problem with SJP isn’t just capacity - it’s the fact that it’s a stadium not designed to maximise commercial revenue in the way that modern football stadiums are.  If SJP could be expanded to 60k, and all that mattered was regular match day tickets, it wouldn’t be worth a move.  But to think that is to miss the point. 

Concerts for a start.

[OpenC]

I will ask again in this different thread because I still genuinely don't get it. What commercial opportunities are denied to us at SJP that would open up majestic new revenue streams at a new stadium?

 

Naming rights are manifestly possible at SJP and has been explored before, albeit in the least palatable form imaginable; and the Stadium of Light seems to be a decent indicator that putting gigs on a couple of times a year doesn't equate to commercial success.  Are we just talking about getting in loads of hospitality clients that don't really give a fuck about football but will pay through the nose for seats, or is there more to this?

 

 

Edited March 19, 2024 by OpenC

[Johny4317]

10 minutes ago, OpenC said:

I will ask again in this different thread because I still genuinely don't get it. What commercial opportunities are denied to us at SJP that would open up majestic new revenue streams at a new stadium?

 

 

 

I guess SJP has a use of 19 games, the odd rugby game and a concert at the end of the season before they dig the pitch up! Spurs new stadium has a level below ground (currently a go kart and F1 experience) they can host NFL games and because the pitch is removable can host concerts and other events all your round! I know we aren’t in London but you get more options with newer stadiums 

 

 

Edited March 19, 2024 by Johny4317

[Dr Venkman]

17 minutes ago, OpenC said:

I will ask again in this different thread because I still genuinely don't get it. What commercial opportunities are denied to us at SJP that would open up majestic new revenue streams at a new stadium?

 

Naming rights are manifestly possible at SJP and has been explored before, albeit in the least palatable form imaginable; and the Stadium of Light seems to be a decent indicator that putting gigs on a couple of times a year doesn't equate to commercial success.  Are we just talking about getting in loads of hospitality clients that don't really give a fuck about football but will pay through the nose for seats, or is there more to this?

 

 

 

Well, if you build a stadium from scratch it can be whatever you want it to be, can’t it. Any kind of event, places to eat, drink, innovative club shop, conference space, etc, etc.

[Vedder]

Plus adding to Gallowgate is only going to give us more L7 seats. The East Stand being so small limits us as higher value seats can be sold there plus way more corporate seating areas. 

[Keegans Export]

14 minutes ago, OpenC said:

I will ask again in this different thread because I still genuinely don't get it. What commercial opportunities are denied to us at SJP that would open up majestic new revenue streams at a new stadium?

 

Naming rights are manifestly possible at SJP and has been explored before, albeit in the least palatable form imaginable; and the Stadium of Light seems to be a decent indicator that putting gigs on a couple of times a year doesn't equate to commercial success.  Are we just talking about getting in loads of hospitality clients that don't really give a fuck about football but will pay through the nose for seats, or is there more to this?

I think that's part of it. If we could (just plucking a multiple out of my backside) double our income from hospitality clients for example. That doesn't necessarily come at the expense of "atmosphere" if a new stadium was also built with that in mind (eg safe standing areas, acoustics).

 

I think stadium naming rights would be fundamentally different for a new stadium for a variety of reasons. I'd also speculate that the rights would be worth more (considering FMV) than sticking a companies name on a ground everyone is just going to call St James's Park regardless. 

 

As far as what else can be done, well I'm (clearly) no expert but you can attach all sorts to it - Spurs have their Go Kart thing, you could add a hotel, restaurants, a gargantuan club shop. More creative minds than I could undoubtedly come up with countless suggestions. 

[OpenC]

4 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

Well, if you build a stadium from scratch it can be whatever you want it to be, can’t it. Any kind of event, places to eat, drink, innovative club shop, conference space, etc, etc.

 

Aye, I guess  I just keep reading people talking about how it's impossible to maximise potential revenue at SJP but it seems to be a pretty vague concept in most people's minds what we would do differently.  Maybe Newcastle is ready for underground go karting and I'm just getting old

[gbandit]

I’m ready for underground Go Karting

[bobloblaw]

35 minutes ago, OpenC said:

 

Aye, I guess  I just keep reading people talking about how it's impossible to maximise potential revenue at SJP but it seems to be a pretty vague concept in most people's minds what we would do differently.  Maybe Newcastle is ready for underground go karting and I'm just getting old

 

I keep thinking back to Cuban selling the controlling share of the Mavs and his reasoning.

 

https://apnews.com/article/dallas-mavericks-sale-mark-cuban-adelson-f2dff76f286d79a4be0708f7a929b5ce

 

“The advantage is what can you build and where and you need to have somebody who’s really, really good at that,” Cuban said before the Mavs’ game against Cleveland on Wednesday night. “Patrick and Miriam, they’re the best in the world at what they do. Literally, around the world.

 

“When you get a world-class partner who can come in and grow your revenue base and you’re not dependent on things that you were in the past, that’s a huge win,” Cuban said.

 

I wonder if the club knows anyone with experience in real-estate development.

 

An NFL example https://www.titletown.com/#:~:text=Welcome to Titletown,relax - no matter the season. 

 

 

Edited March 19, 2024 by bobloblaw

[OverThere]

I can only compare SJP with stadiums I've been in in the US. The US stadiums have much more indoor food / drink / merch opportunities ringing the entire inside of the stadium. In addition there are more levels of seats above the basic level with various lounges etc 

[timeEd32]

32 minutes ago, OpenC said:

 

Aye, I guess  I just keep reading people talking about how it's impossible to maximise potential revenue at SJP but it seems to be a pretty vague concept in most people's minds what we would do differently.  Maybe Newcastle is ready for underground go karting and I'm just getting old

 

I don't think it's very vague 

• More seats
• More expensive seats / "experiences"
• More corporate options
• More food and drink at various price points
• More non-NUFC football events with all of the above
• More non-football events with all of the above (Beyonce, Bruce Springsteen, and Rihanna should not have to go to Sunderland. Ever.)

That's before you get into anything like events spaces, hotels, etc. And yes, naming rights for a new stadium are a whole different thing compared to renaming.

[cubaricho]

6 hours ago, OverThere said:

I can only compare SJP with stadiums I've been in in the US. The US stadiums have much more indoor food / drink / merch opportunities ringing the entire inside of the stadium. In addition there are more levels of seats above the basic level with various lounges etc 

This makes me want to hear the opinions of my American dudes who have been ( @Kanji @Ameritoon etc) - how do the facilities at SJP compare with say the Bucs or Lions stadiums? Or even baseball stadiums? As far as the experiences go. Is it a pretty stark difference in facilities when you walk in?

[Ameritoon]

It's much more bare. I haven't been since right before the SD signs came down, but it's basically food/drinks and toilets. Best concourse I can compare it to is an old school hockey barn.