Guest optimistic nit Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 So all the little clubs that get on a lucky run and end up in or around the final should get into the CL? Stupid idea. I'm all for smaller clubs doing well (as long as we do better), but it's the same as the whole 'minnow' debate regarding Andorra etc - it's just a poorer level of competition and thats not what the CL is all about. brilliant idea imo. at the moment: the fa cup is losing reputation. there is 0 competition in the league. the same teams will qualify for the CL every year, increasing the gap between them, football as a whole is more boring. your forgetting that even irish teams have teams entered for the champions league, so how would the winner of the fa cup be worse than say, shelborne. its not as if they get automatic qualification, they would have to qualify depending on their seeding which if it was, say millwall, would make it very likely that they would get knocked out. all for it imo, and when you see some of the teams getting into the last 32 (mid table prem teams or even worse) it wont bring it down one iota. also: if the team doesn't win then it should fall back to 4th place, with the runner up going into the wafa instead (maybe even possibility of cl for winner, wafa for loser and increase the amount of qualification spots available for the wafa in the big leagues by 1. (its not like there aren't a gazzillion qualifing rounds already). wafa winners should also get cl footie. How is the FA Cup losing it's reputation considering since 1988, only two teams outside the "big 4" have won it? (Spurs in 91 & Everton in 95). its not as big as it used to be. i'm not saying its small lyke, and that people don't want to win it, but i don't think its the best competition in the world anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Apart from what the English press say, when has it ever been that way? Difference is, in the "olden days", the FA Cup final was one of the only English matches televised worldwide. These days you can see 4-5 Premiership matches a weekend anywhere around the world so it's not as special. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Boy Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Crazy idea, but how about a european cup competition for all the fa cup winners. They could call it something like, I don't know, maybe the Cup Winners Cup??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Because the Cup Winners' Cup was generally a sh*t competition and it would make the UEFA Cup even weaker than it is now. Don't see anything wrong with the current format. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 how many games to be played at FA Cup? consider you do 38 games for being at 4th place?it is not interest idea btw? wasn't seem fair... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Exactly. You could get a team like Millwall who never drew a single Premiership club in the cup getting into the biggest club competition ahead of someone finishing 4th best team in the country. Stupid idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Silly idea, I thought they were trying to better the competition? Adding 2nd rate teams won't achieve that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulivye Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 so, would we get in as the winners of the intertoto cup?!!! :laughing6: :laughing7: :toothy10: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gray Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Did there used to be: Champs League UEFA Cup European Cup Winners Cup or have I dreamt that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Lol Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 The G14 will go mental and threaten a breakaway league etc. Won't happen. I would have agreed with you if it wasn't now coming out that the 3 teams who have put forward the idea are Glasgow Rangers, Bayern Munich and Barcelona. I'm shocked tbh that the last 2 named clubs would even entertain the idea..................... unless they are convinced they will qualify automatically and it may do some harm to their rivals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 It's a good idea because it probably won't alter things too much but gives a greater opportunity for a shock qualifier, which is more appealing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nufc4Life Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 What a load of fucking bollocks. Its the CHAMPIONS League, iMO its a sham even putting 2nd place, 3rd place and 4th place in it, the CHAMPIONS league should be wherre THE CHAMPIONS play, not fucking idiots who finish 2nd, 3rd 4th, its a farce. Its a disgrace that a team who finishes 4th can get in the champions league, ridciulous idea to include cup winners to. PATHETIC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodite Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Did there used to be: Champs League UEFA Cup European Cup Winners Cup or have I dreamt that? Nope, you're right, was like that until the CWC was abolished in 1999. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 What a load of f****** bollocks. Its the CHAMPIONS League, iMO its a sham even putting 2nd place, 3rd place and 4th place in it, the CHAMPIONS league should be wherre THE CHAMPIONS play, not f****** idiots who finish 2nd, 3rd 4th, its a farce. Its a disgrace that a team who finishes 4th can get in the champions league, ridciulous idea to include cup winners to. PATHETIC The main Euro competition is much better the way it is now. Once upon a time the UEFA Cup was harder to win than the European Cup, because for every Man U, Inter, Barcelona & Bayern Munich that would get in the European Cup, Chelsea, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Valencia, Milan, Juventus, Werder Bremen, etc. would be in the UEFA Cup. Absolutely nothing wrong with it now imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 The proposals have been mentioned again on SSN this evening, so I've added a poll. Platini is to put the idea forward this week: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6961888.stm Undecided myself. Qualification via the league is a reward for a much harder season-long slog, but the Cup would be far more exciting if this was riding on it too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Their is one example which solely proves that is a terrible idea and that is the 2004 FA Cup final, if this new idea had been in play then you would have ended up with Millwall in the Champions League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 (We have more chance of coming forth - fook the cup idea) Great idea though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gash Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 I have arguments from both side in my head but i think the long slog of the season for 4th is much better going on consistency! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 4th in the League all the way for me. A 38 game slog to finish 4th in one of the most competitive leagues in Europe or a flukey 6 game run to get to a cup final? I know which one deserves the CL spot. I can see the logic behind enhancing the FA Cup but I think a spot in the UEFA Cup is reward enough. I also agree that the UEFA Cup winners should get a CL spot the following season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 why not go back to the idea of the Champions League only Champions ie first place winners in it ............. cuts the flow of funds to the biggest clubs, cuts the number of games, puts more attention back on the National Leagues.......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 why not go back to the idea of the Champions League only Champions ie first place winners in it ............. cuts the flow of funds to the biggest clubs, cuts the number of games, puts more attention back on the National Leagues.......... agree its called the CHAMPIONS league so only the champions of each top league should be allowed into it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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