Syrette Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 http://forums.icnewcastle.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=72 Let me say first off that we share your frustration at the current situation at NUFC - we too are mostly fans. I am a personal season ticket holder and have been for many years prior to my appointment as editor. We try to give everyone connected with NUFC - fans, players manager, chairman - the opportunity to air their views. It is our job to report all sides and no newspaper gives as much space to Newcastle United and fans whether it be in print or online than the Evening Chronicle. I think if you looked objectively our coverage through our main writers, Alan Oliver, Lee Ryder and John Gibson - each of them with the club at heart - they try to give an honest assessment as they see it. There is a big difference between criticism and personal abuse. No-one is above criticism and I am happy for a debate about our coverage to be aired. The problem is when it gets personal about any individual writer or character at the club. I will not air publically many private conversations between people at the club and the Chronicle suffice to say we quite often don't see eye-to-eye on our coverage. Some of the coverage of the abject performances at Alkmaar, Charlton and home to Manchester City was very critical. I can take you through our archives and point you to numerous occasions when we have analysed what has been going on at the club. At the end of last year we put questions of fans - all of them - to the chairman some of them very uncomfortable for him but he answered them. As did Graeme Souness until he fell out with Alan. Glenn Roeder answered fans questions more recently. As I have said on many occasions we do not pick the team, decide the tactics, the manager or the transfer policy. We aim to reflect all views. When things go wrong it seems convenient to have a pop at individual writers. These are people with unrivalled contacts who have covered the club for years and provide a depth of coverage which sees the nationals, and skysports turning to us every day to find out what is going on at the club. I have no problems with intelligent criticism of our coverage - football is a matter of opinions. But when the criticism gets sneering, personal or abusive then that is something we cannot tolerate. Our policy is simple - tell it as it is, tell it as we see it and report all sides of the debate through our range of writers, contacts and fans. We are never going to please everybody all of the time and it will be interesting as the season draws to a close to see what will happen in terms of transfer or season tickets. Paul Robertson Editor, Evening Chronicle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 http://forums.icnewcastle.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=72 At the end of last year we put questions of fans - all of them - to the chairman some of them very uncomfortable for him but he answered them. As did Graeme Souness until he fell out with Alan. Glenn Roeder answered fans questions more recently. Proof of the hilariously pathetic journalism technique used. Professional? Friend - positive articles. Not friend - negative articles. It's like being at school. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 Personally, I think Anal Oliver invites "personal attacks" as he involves himself in the stories he writes - "I understand" and "Roeder/Shepherd has told me" is appalling journalism, makes him look like a club stooge and attempts to make himself part of the news. Writing in this manner is pure ego, and thus invites attacks personal attacks... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 Personally, I think Anal Oliver invites "personal attacks" as he involves himself in the stories he writes - "I understand" and "Roeder/Shepherd has told me" is appalling journalism, makes him look like a club stooge and attempts to make himself part of the news. Writing in this manner is pure ego, and thus invites attacks personal attacks... Exactly. A lot of his 'journalism' appears very opinion-based, and as such it's natural that things will get personal when it comes to criticism of the man because it's his views/thoughts that are being aired. Oliver rarely just reports without mentioning something on a personal level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheKingOfNewcastle Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 If the editor actually believes what he's written there, he's a fucking idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 what exactly caused this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 My guess from people complaining that they have had threads and posts deleted is that Oliver has had a slagging. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 I notice that that forum has the old-skool smilies this site had. Any chance of getting them back on here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 I notice that that forum has the old-skool smilies this site had. Any chance of getting them back on here? http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=36666.0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HGB1892 Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 A mate of mine has been banned 3 times from that site for calling Anal Oliver an inbred racist for is scandalous comments about Martins when cunts like Dire get off scott free. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 A mate of mine has been banned 3 times from that site for calling Anal Oliver an inbred racist for is scandalous comments about Martins when c***s like Dire get off scott free. Dyer's Black. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HGB1892 Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 A mate of mine has been banned 3 times from that site for calling Anal Oliver an inbred racist for is scandalous comments about Martins when c***s like Dire get off scott free. Dyer's Black. I know but Martins doesn't give 300 quotes a week for Oliver to use. Hence the racist undertones of his reports. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 Has anybody signed up to this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 surely the answer is stop buying the f****** newspaper! if no one bought it to catch up on what keiron thinks or how gutted steven taylor is that they've "let the fans down" again then changes would have to be made. the chronicle now offers nothing in terms of knowing whats going on at OUR club! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spook Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 surely the answer is stop buying the f****** newspaper! I stopped buying it months ago. The sports section was the only reason I ever bought, now its the reason I don't buy it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 surely the answer is stop buying the f****** newspaper! I stopped buying it months ago. The sports section was the only reason I ever bought, now its the reason I don't buy it. I can understand that, it's the same for me, I only get it now on a Thursday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 [ surely the answer is stop buying the f****** newspaper! I stopped buying it months ago. The sports section was the only reason I ever bought, now its the reason I don't buy it. I can understand that, it's the same for me, I only get it now on a Thursday. for the jobs section....... wanted manager for underachieving football club..... experience not necessary...... being a geordie a distinct advantage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 We should all invade Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 When did this happen? Jesus they've opened themselves up for huge criticism here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 They seem to have just deleted the whole lot now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Proper binned. Truth hurts doesn't it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 On the plus side, they must now realise how some of us are feeling about their newspaper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I wondered how long it would take them to take the whole board down. Utter mongs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 What's happened here? Why do I always seem to miss out on these things? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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