Rich Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 I'd still be confident of getting Campbell plus one more and I'd be fairly satisfied if we took the gamble on his fitness. Campbell alone obviously wouldn't be ideal, but if it was a choice between him and nothing then it's a no-brainer. To me it seems like Campbell plus Davies would have perfect for next season (unless CD would have been demanding first-team football from the word "go".) I'm not thrilled with the prospect of Ramage being 4th in the queue for a starting place at centre-half. Campbell played 30-odd games for Portsmouth last season if I'm not mistaken and if we got anywhere near that out of him this year then it'd be a massive bonus. I've wanted him here since he became "available" and I'd still love it if we got him now, not just for what he could add on the pitch but for what he could do for the team/squad on the whole - especially for the young defenders we already have at the club. He's slowing down, but I still think he's exactly what we've needed for a long time here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocksammy Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 to get better players in the future we need to do well this season..... for that to happen we need decent defenders NOW..... the ends justify the means friends Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 I really do want to end up with Sol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 The thing that's frustrated me in recent seasons though has been the lack of continuity at the back. Sure Woodgate came in and out of the team and improved the defence instantly when he did, but he was a top class defender in his peak years. Basically I'm a big fan of having a stable back four, it's the one area of the pitch where stability is absolutely vital. Even tinker-man Benitez almost never messes with his back four and espescially not the centre backs. Someone with Campbell's injuries mean he would inevitably be in and out of the team and could prevent any lasting solid partnerships being formed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 The thing that's frustrated me in recent seasons though has been the lack of continuity at the back. Sure Woodgate came in and out of the team and improved the defence instantly when he did, but he was a top class defender in his peak years. Basically I'm a big fan of having a stable back four, it's the one area of the pitch where stability is absolutely vital. Even tinker-man Benitez almost never messes with his back four. This is a very valid point like, the same one I used when we were linked with Woodgate last summer. It's all well and good having a top-class defender for half the games a season - but it does you absolutely no favours in the other half. Campbell only missed 6 league games for Portsmouth last season, though, which isn't too bad and bodes quite well for the fact that he can still "do it" at the top level if looked after properly. Going by this logic as well, we still need another first-choice pair of fullbacks as well as a centre-half! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 The thing that's frustrated me in recent seasons though has been the lack of continuity at the back. Sure Woodgate came in and out of the team and improved the defence instantly when he did, but he was a top class defender in his peak years. Basically I'm a big fan of having a stable back four, it's the one area of the pitch where stability is absolutely vital. Even tinker-man Benitez almost never messes with his back four. This is a very valid point like, the same one I used when we were linked with Woodgate last summer. It's all well and good having a top-class defender for half the games a season - but it does you absolutely no favours in the other half. Campbell only missed 6 league games for Portsmouth last season, though, which isn't too bad and bodes quite well for the fact that he can still "do it" at the top level if looked after properly. Going by this logic as well, we still need another first-choice pair of fullbacks as well as a centre-half! Wasn't aware Campbell played so many games, perhaps it'd be worth the risk then. On the full backs issue, it looks likely that Geremi will spend a lot, perhaps most of his time elsewhere, and we all know we need a left back anyway, so yes I'd say we need a RB, LB and two CBs, or keep Geremi at RB and buy a CM instead. Basically we need 4 more players, 3 absolute minimum, and they need to be decent at the very least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 The thing that's frustrated me in recent seasons though has been the lack of continuity at the back. Sure Woodgate came in and out of the team and improved the defence instantly when he did, but he was a top class defender in his peak years. Basically I'm a big fan of having a stable back four, it's the one area of the pitch where stability is absolutely vital. Even tinker-man Benitez almost never messes with his back four. This is a very valid point like, the same one I used when we were linked with Woodgate last summer. It's all well and good having a top-class defender for half the games a season - but it does you absolutely no favours in the other half. Campbell only missed 6 league games for Portsmouth last season, though, which isn't too bad and bodes quite well for the fact that he can still "do it" at the top level if looked after properly. Going by this logic as well, we still need another first-choice pair of fullbacks as well as a centre-half! Wasn't aware Campbell played so many games, perhaps it'd be worth the risk then. On the full backs issue, it looks likely that Geremi will spend a lot, perhaps most of his time elsewhere, and we all know we need a left back anyway, so yes I'd say we need a RB, LB and two CBs, or keep Geremi at RB and buy a CM instead. Basically we need 4 more players, 3 absolute minimum, and they need to be decent at the very least. Agree completely. I think I've been doing a brilliant job of keeping calm/patient, but my arse is twitching now. Two weeks 'til the big kick-off and we do ideally need a RB, LB and CB - at the least. Then there's Dyer leaving... I do think we'll get Campbell, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 The thing that's frustrated me in recent seasons though has been the lack of continuity at the back. Sure Woodgate came in and out of the team and improved the defence instantly when he did, but he was a top class defender in his peak years. Basically I'm a big fan of having a stable back four, it's the one area of the pitch where stability is absolutely vital. Even tinker-man Benitez almost never messes with his back four. This is a very valid point like, the same one I used when we were linked with Woodgate last summer. It's all well and good having a top-class defender for half the games a season - but it does you absolutely no favours in the other half. Campbell only missed 6 league games for Portsmouth last season, though, which isn't too bad and bodes quite well for the fact that he can still "do it" at the top level if looked after properly. Going by this logic as well, we still need another first-choice pair of fullbacks as well as a centre-half! Wasn't aware Campbell played so many games, perhaps it'd be worth the risk then. On the full backs issue, it looks likely that Geremi will spend a lot, perhaps most of his time elsewhere, and we all know we need a left back anyway, so yes I'd say we need a RB, LB and two CBs, or keep Geremi at RB and buy a CM instead. Basically we need 4 more players, 3 absolute minimum, and they need to be decent at the very least. The way I see it, we need a minimum of 3 defenders through the door (LB, RB, CD) and unless Allardyce feels Geremi could be used as a holding midfielder, then we need cover for Butt as well. I can understand if we have to lower our standards failing to land our main targets, but there will be no excuses for another summer wasted if we don't sign slightly lesser players for those positions as plan B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 Normally i'd be at the cacking your pants stage under any other manager but i'm not so worried this time. Sam's already said that he will get the right number in, he just said he wasn't sure on the quality simply because the further into the window you get the less likley it is a club will be willing to let their top players go. I'm not really speculating how many we will be getting but more the quality. I'd put money on that hangland being our next signing. Wouldn't be shocked if Sam started on loans soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest killers_perm Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 I'd def have Sol in as an addition to the squad - lets be honest, we need to start the season with at least 22 first team players and the more of those who have experience of the premiership the better - doesn't mean he takes the place of Taylor, in fact we should have 8 defenders who can be recognised as 1st choice when fit. a lot of thoughts highlight the fact that for the past 15 years we have been focussed on the first 11 to 16 and we just haven't been used to thinking about having a good 20 to 22 players - with the injuries over the last few seasons it shows that we need to have a big squad of players who can ALL step into the 11 on a saturday. It's great to bring on some young players, but as was all to obvious on THursday, we are too lite on the ground for true ability so if it means bringing in a few 32+ yr old players to ensure we have more options, then go for it - might be the best chance SA has of truly making a step change away from the past tinkering approach of trying to add the final piece of the jigsaw only to realise the picture on the box is upside down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 Sam has already ruled out buying a CB with no Prem experience so it won't be Hangeland. I can see us getting in Quedrue if the Silvestre deal isn't revived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 He is a solid player, yes his injury record is a worry and also he will have a massive wage demand BUT he is the kind of player we need and also I think he would jump at the chance to come here and is perfect type of player for Taylor to learn from.. Had the transfer window just opend I would be saying no look elsewhere but at the stage of the window I say I say if he will come then go get him!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 Sam has already ruled out buying a CB with no Prem experience so it won't be Hangeland. I can see us getting in Quedrue if the Silvestre deal isn't revived. Aye, just read the thread. I've been away for a month so my knowledge isn't up to scratch with the transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 Given is worried about our lack of defenders. http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2136573,00.html Size matters, says Given, as he urges signings at Newcastle Michael Walker and Matt Scott Saturday July 28, 2007 The Guardian In what seems a familiar warning, the Newcastle United goalkeeper Shay Given has worried aloud about the size of the club's squad. Fresh injuries to Steven Taylor and Nicky Butt sustained during Thursday night's friendly against Celtic have hit a squad already missing Joey Barton. "The squad's the lightest that it's been for as long as I can remember," Given said. "It's extremely important that we get some players in but the manager knows that. He's not silly. "Offensively we're very strong and as strong as most clubs but we don't have too many defenders floating about these days. I know we've got some young defenders coming through but it's a lot to expect of them to be playing every week in the Premiership. They're learning their trade and it's important we get some experienced defenders in to help them develop and improve. "We're very thin on the ground. We need to improve on last season because our finish last time was a big disappointment to everyone. For a club of this stature and the players we have here, it just wasn't good enough." Kieron Dyer's only hope of quitting St James' Park appears to lie with West Ham after Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur denied any interest in him yesterday. He seems set to leave Newcastle after the manager, Sam Allardyce, omitted him from a pre-season friendly in midweek, and West Ham's manager, Alan Curbishley, who admires the 28-year-old midfielder, is preparing to make a bid. It is believed that Newcastle would be willing to accept between £4m and £5m for a player who earns £60,000 a week but, as the only interested party, West Ham may seek to drive this down further. Dyer has a long history of injury problems and will need to pass a stringent medical if he is to move to Upton Park. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norwegian-Geordie Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 How much does people think Dawson would cost? And would he come here? If I were you, I'd expect us to sign him soon, because I dreamt that we signed him the other night, and when I woke up I thought so too I think I am a clairvoyant! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 How much does people think Dawson would cost? And would he come here? Too much, I hope not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 How much does people think Dawson would cost? And would he come here? If I were you, I'd expect us to sign him soon, because I dreamt that we signed him the other night, and when I woke up I thought so too I think I am a clairvoyant! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 Don't know who it was who said it, but it was a bloody good phrase regarding Campbell. 'Campbell's forgotten more than the likes of Taylor and Ramage already know'. Which is spot on. Even as far as £3m, he'd be a bloody good signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 Don't know who it was who said it, but it was a bloody good phrase regarding Campbell. 'Campbell's forgotten more than the likes of Taylor and Ramage already know'. Which is spot on. Even as far as £3m, he'd be a bloody good signing. I would have Sol but not as the only CD signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 Don't know who it was who said it, but it was a bloody good phrase regarding Campbell. 'Campbell's forgotten more than the likes of Taylor and Ramage already know'. Which is spot on. Even as far as £3m, he'd be a bloody good signing. I would have Sol but not as the only CD signing. Well obviously. But, if by some glitch in the universe, we were only allowed to sign one centre-back, we'd have done well if it were Campbell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 Don't know who it was who said it, but it was a bloody good phrase regarding Campbell. 'Campbell's forgotten more than the likes of Taylor and Ramage already know'. Which is spot on. Even as far as £3m, he'd be a bloody good signing. I would have Sol but not as the only CD signing. Well obviously. But, if by some glitch in the universe, we were only allowed to sign one centre-back, we'd have done well if it were Campbell. Karmic glitch? Intersting Lt..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guinness Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 I'd love to see Campbell here, would bring some much needed experience to the defence. However I can't see Pompey selling him on the cheap and at his age I can't see us offering too much if we were after him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DazzaNufc1892 Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 ash4 i commend you lad, the first poster to come from another club and not be a complete cock, well, apart from the evasive mj tht is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 ash4 i commend you lad, the first poster to come from another club and not be a complete cock, well, apart from the evasive mj tht is That's absolute bollocks tbh. And i'm not saying Ash4 is a cock, either. I've got more time for the likes of Brummie, 1894 and Doctor Spectrum than i do the majority of Newcastle fans on here, you included. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DazzaNufc1892 Posted July 28, 2007 Share Posted July 28, 2007 ash4 i commend you lad, the first poster to come from another club and not be a complete cock, well, apart from the evasive mj tht is That's absolute bollocks tbh. And i'm not saying Ash4 is a cock, either. I've got more time for the likes of Brummie, 1894 and Doctor Spectrum than i do the majority of Newcastle fans on here, you included. sorry, who are you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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