Skirge Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Money talks for the club and the player... I guess if he wants to stay then we will be happy to keep him there is a massive offer, but even then its down to Jose. Lets not worry about it yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Starting to get noticed more and more each week , the papers will start advertising him as they love to do for us soon, will struggle to keep him in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1878 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Enrique is fantastic defensively, but he needs some improvement in his offensive play where Baines is a class above him. I don't think Baines is so good as Enrique in his defensive play though,. Most of baines quality delivery comes from set pieces He is nowhere near as effective as Enrique offensively or defensively Rubbish. Most of Baines' quality delivery comes from open play if you actually watch him. It's only recently he's even started to get a look in at taking set pieces (previously Arteta took everything) and his dead ball delivery isn't as consistent as his crossing. 9 assists this season. Going to be the 2nd season in a row he's got more than any other defender by some distance. Enrique is a very good player but it's daft to suggest he's better going forward than Baines. Enrique probably edges it defensively (though Baines supposed 'weakness' in that area can be massively overstated, purely because of his size). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Milner was never, ever, an excellent sale. He provided genuine width and always, to me at least, looked to be a very good player and IMO if we'd kept him we'd have stayed up for sure. So how selling him was 'excellent' is utterly beyond me. Well I explained how I thought it was excellent, so not sure how it's 'beyond you'. I still think he's just a decent CM and a average wide man at best. Villa paying us what they did for him was crazy, and Man City buying him was even worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 he looked frustrated and angry at times yesterday. hopefully we make a few quality signings in the summer because i think jose is starting to get alittle pissed off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 he looked frustrated and angry at times yesterday. hopefully we make a few quality signings in the summer because i think jose is starting to get alittle pissed off. Come on. He was having an argument with Lovenkrands about a particular move. Nowt more than that. The fact he showed a bit of frustration is more of a sign that he's happy overall, tbh. If he looked as if he couldn't give a shit i'd be concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 he looked frustrated and angry at times yesterday. hopefully we make a few quality signings in the summer because i think jose is starting to get alittle pissed off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 he looked frustrated and angry at times yesterday. hopefully we make a few quality signings in the summer because i think jose is starting to get alittle pissed off. Come on. He was having an argument with Lovenkrands about a particular move. Nowt more than that. The fact he showed a bit of frustration is more of a sign that he's happy overall, tbh. If he looked as if he couldn't give a shit i'd be concerned. Walked off shaking his head at full time... he played a blinder and was gutted we did not win.. things are still a bit tough after the Carroll sale but there is way to much being read into these things. He seemed happy and content enough to be posing for silly photos with Nile on the plane home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 There's literally nothing in it whatsoever. Jose's just a consummate professional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Right now we're a feeder club. But that's only temporary. Few clubs have greater potential than Castle, it's the underachiever club number uno. Get some more good prospects in, establish us in the table spots that give us European league, filling up the stadium with thousands in line for a season ticket, then we will stop being a feeders club. Then we could increase the capacity of St James too.. breaking into the "elite club" bracket has proven to be impossible recently, when people mention the biggest clubs in the world its always the same names even if they're doing shite they'll always have the name which counts for a hell of a lot (and man city ain't one of them they offset the rep with money) we fall into the same bracket as everton villa and normally spurs, big clubs in england but there are bigger names around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 he looked frustrated and angry at times yesterday. hopefully we make a few quality signings in the summer because i think jose is starting to get alittle pissed off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevo Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I'll love him wherever he goes (bar the mackems, which won't happen). I also wouldn't blame him for wanting out. We NEED to show him in the summer that we are a club 'on the up'. Same for Tiote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Enrique is fantastic defensively, but he needs some improvement in his offensive play where Baines is a class above him. I don't think Baines is so good as Enrique in his defensive play though,. Most of baines quality delivery comes from set pieces He is nowhere near as effective as Enrique offensively or defensively Rubbish. Most of Baines' quality delivery comes from open play if you actually watch him. It's only recently he's even started to get a look in at taking set pieces (previously Arteta took everything) and his dead ball delivery isn't as consistent as his crossing. 9 assists this season. Going to be the 2nd season in a row he's got more than any other defender by some distance. Enrique is a very good player but it's daft to suggest he's better going forward than Baines. Enrique probably edges it defensively (though Baines supposed 'weakness' in that area can be massively overstated, purely because of his size). Hopefully Man U will switch their sights to Baines then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh74 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Wouldn't hold anything against the lad if he moved,think he's earned it to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Wouldn't hold anything against the lad if he moved,think he's earned it to be fair. Earned what? What about earning the right to a new contract at the magnificent club he already plays for? This increasing acceptance that we're nothing really pisses me off. The Ashley effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh74 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Wouldn't hold anything against the lad if he moved,think he's earned it to be fair. Earned what? What about earning the right to a new contract at the magnificent club he already plays for? This increasing acceptance that we're nothing really pisses me off. The Ashley effect. Best leftback in the premier league by far if Man Utd wanted to sign him think hes earned the right for a move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Wouldn't hold anything against the lad if he moved,think he's earned it to be fair. Earned what? What about earning the right to a new contract at the magnificent club he already plays for? This increasing acceptance that we're nothing really pisses me off. The Ashley effect. Best leftback in the premier league by far if Man Utd wanted to sign him think hes earned the right for a move. Fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Best leftback in the premier league by far if Man Utd wanted to sign him think hes earned the right for a move. Rubbish, we're not a prison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Wouldn't hold anything against the lad if he moved,think he's earned it to be fair. Earned what? What about earning the right to a new contract at the magnificent club he already plays for? This increasing acceptance that we're nothing really pisses me off. The Ashley effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh74 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Best leftback in the premier league by far if Man Utd wanted to sign him think hes earned the right for a move. Rubbish, we're not a prison. The way some so called fans go on you'd think it was.Some people need to realise Ashleys turning us into a mid table feeder club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Best leftback in the premier league by far if Man Utd wanted to sign him think hes earned the right for a move. Rubbish, we're not a prison. The way some so called fans go on you'd think it was.Some people need to realise Ashleys turning us into a mid table feeder club. Having thought about what you've just posted, that is a brilliant put-down which I might use in future. He's earned the right to escape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I'm with Dave like, the acceptance for mediocrity is fucking shit. I don't care where my club stands, whether it be in the Championship or the bottom of half of the Prem. As a fan the least we can expect/hope for is ambition of some kind. The hope that we can push on and progress at a steady rate. I don't expect accelerated fake success like Man City, just natural steady progress. Now, to progress like this we need to keep our best players at all costs. I hate this acceptance that there is the elite clubs and that it's impossible to break into them or compete. The chances of us breaking into the top echelons these days are slim, but that doesn't mean as fan we should simply accept that there is a ceiling that cannot be broken. Hearing fans say they don't mind players moving on to the likes of Man U because they've earned a move to a 'big club' it is just revolting as far as I'm concerned. Fans just simply accept the monopolisation of good players as the norm because the media pushes this idea. The idea that good players haven't completed a career until they've played for Man U, Liverpool or Real Madrid. As rare as it is, it is possible for smaller clubs to grow into bigger ones. Villarreal went from the lower divisions in Spain to being consistent Champions League qualifiers and being within touching distance of a CL final one year. Their catchment area and marketing qualities are tiny, yet they were able to break the mould in Spain without spending stupid. If a village team can reach those heights then the potential for a club like Newcastle is massive. We always get slated for considering ourselves a big club but I'd far rather that kind of delusion and expectancy than the acceptance of our place as an also-ran. I remember speaking to a Fulham fan a few years ago who said that Newcastle were the biggest underachievers in any sporting code, and in a way he is right. I'm not just going to accept us as becoming a selling club that will forever win nothing. If fans do that then they lose any hope of ambition and there's no point in supporting a football team at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 If we can go from nearly winning the league to relegation, then we can go the opposite direction as well. Things can change, look at Spurs. We consistently finished above them until a few years ago, now they're miles ahead. There's no reason at all to accept that our current position is permanent, the trick is balancing the expectation of progress with the reality of our finances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I'm with Dave like, the acceptance for mediocrity is fucking shit. I don't care where my club stands, whether it be in the Championship or the bottom of half of the Prem. As a fan the least we can expect/hope for is ambition of some kind. The hope that we can push on and progress at a steady rate. I don't expect accelerated fake success like Man City, just natural steady progress. Now, to progress like this we need to keep our best players at all costs. I hate this acceptance that there is the elite clubs and that it's impossible to break into them or compete. The chances of us breaking into the top echelons these days are slim, but that doesn't mean as fan we should simply accept that there is a ceiling that cannot be broken. Hearing fans say they don't mind players moving on to the likes of Man U because they've earned a move to a 'big club' it is just revolting as far as I'm concerned. Fans just simply accept the monopolisation of good players as the norm because the media pushes this idea. The idea that good players haven't completed a career until they've played for Man U, Liverpool or Real Madrid. As rare as it is, it is possible for smaller clubs to grow into bigger ones. Villarreal went from the lower divisions in Spain to being consistent Champions League qualifiers and being within touching distance of a CL final one year. Their catchment area and marketing qualities are tiny, yet they were able to break the mould in Spain without spending stupid. If a village team can reach those heights then the potential for a club like Newcastle is massive. We always get slated for considering ourselves a big club but I'd far rather that kind of delusion and expectancy than the acceptance of our place as an also-ran. I remember speaking to a Fulham fan a few years ago who said that Newcastle were the biggest underachievers in any sporting code, and in a way he is right. I'm not just going to accept us as becoming a selling club that will forever win nothing. If fans do that then they lose any hope of ambition and there's no point in supporting a football team at all. Top post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I'm with Dave like, the acceptance for mediocrity is fucking shit. I don't care where my club stands, whether it be in the Championship or the bottom of half of the Prem. As a fan the least we can expect/hope for is ambition of some kind. The hope that we can push on and progress at a steady rate. I don't expect accelerated fake success like Man City, just natural steady progress. Now, to progress like this we need to keep our best players at all costs. I hate this acceptance that there is the elite clubs and that it's impossible to break into them or compete. The chances of us breaking into the top echelons these days are slim, but that doesn't mean as fan we should simply accept that there is a ceiling that cannot be broken. Hearing fans say they don't mind players moving on to the likes of Man U because they've earned a move to a 'big club' it is just revolting as far as I'm concerned. Fans just simply accept the monopolisation of good players as the norm because the media pushes this idea. The idea that good players haven't completed a career until they've played for Man U, Liverpool or Real Madrid. As rare as it is, it is possible for smaller clubs to grow into bigger ones. Villarreal went from the lower divisions in Spain to being consistent Champions League qualifiers and being within touching distance of a CL final one year. Their catchment area and marketing qualities are tiny, yet they were able to break the mould in Spain without spending stupid. If a village team can reach those heights then the potential for a club like Newcastle is massive. We always get slated for considering ourselves a big club but I'd far rather that kind of delusion and expectancy than the acceptance of our place as an also-ran. I remember speaking to a Fulham fan a few years ago who said that Newcastle were the biggest underachievers in any sporting code, and in a way he is right. I'm not just going to accept us as becoming a selling club that will forever win nothing. If fans do that then they lose any hope of ambition and there's no point in supporting a football team at all. Top post. Aren't Villareal in financial trouble? I suppose it also depends on how your prioritise your desire to see the club win trophies vs your enjoyment at being entertained. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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