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"I've only taken this job because I've been assured we will not be selling our best players.'

 

I think that was their stance until the dire end in the Carroll saga. But when you're literally drowned in money, what can you do?

 

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Can't see us selling Tiote, we only just signed the f***ing guy.

 

Wonder how long it'll be before I open a player thread and it isn't about him being definitely sold in the summer?

 

Get used to it. We used to be a club who bought players for large fees, give them massive career fulfilling contracts, and then could never get rid of them.

 

We are now a club who aims for players on lower fees, on lower wages, but with potential to be a hell of a lot better. It is a natural consequence of the second option that we will worry about the players we sign who turn out to be great player, and then leave for bigger and better clubs.

 

Do it consistently enough for a long period of time and you might get lucky and hit the sweet spot between the Arsenal model and the Man Utd model!

 

 

 

...and if you get it wrong a few times, you end up between the Sheffield Wednesday and WBA model...!

go the other way and it's leeds and pompey........and us to certain extent.

 

Leeds and Pompey do NOT have our crowd potential or drawing power.

Still, we can always settle for second best instead of 3rd best, eh !?

 

Leeds and NUFC's problems were the result of having a complete dickhead in charge instead of only a partial one..

you just don't want to get it do ya ? it doesn't matter what the size of crowds, turnover or prestige of club,'crowd potential or 'drawing power'......if you try to live too far beyond your means you'll end up fucked. the only difference is the size of the numbers, the premise is the same for all.

 

 

 

Indeed, but some clubs have more means than others. That's a key point.

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Can't see us selling Tiote, we only just signed the f***ing guy.

 

Wonder how long it'll be before I open a player thread and it isn't about him being definitely sold in the summer?

 

Get used to it. We used to be a club who bought players for large fees, give them massive career fulfilling contracts, and then could never get rid of them.

 

We are now a club who aims for players on lower fees, on lower wages, but with potential to be a hell of a lot better. It is a natural consequence of the second option that we will worry about the players we sign who turn out to be great player, and then leave for bigger and better clubs.

 

Do it consistently enough for a long period of time and you might get lucky and hit the sweet spot between the Arsenal model and the Man Utd model!

 

 

 

...and if you get it wrong a few times, you end up between the Sheffield Wednesday and WBA model...!

go the other way and it's leeds and pompey........and us to certain extent.

 

Leeds and Pompey do NOT have our crowd potential or drawing power.

Still, we can always settle for second best instead of 3rd best, eh !?

 

Leeds and NUFC's problems were the result of having a complete dickhead in charge instead of only a partial one..

you just don't want to get it do ya ? it doesn't matter what the size of crowds, turnover or prestige of club,'crowd potential or 'drawing power'......if you try to live too far beyond your means you'll end up f***ed. the only difference is the size of the numbers, the premise is the same for all.

 

 

 

Just don't want to 'get it'..!?

 

If I and others hadn't wanted to 'Get it' 20 years ago, the club would still have been run by McKeag's family and KK would never have arrived as manager ONCE. never mind twice...

 

I don't need a lesson in economics thanks - you are implying that the club would be 'living beyond its means'by competing for decent signings or trying to keep its best players ; that is a matter of conjecture - do you believe that Kuqui is a decent signing for a club like Newcastle ? Or would Gateshead be a more likely setting for him !?

 

We have sold a young player who, in all likelihood, will play for England for 10 years and win medals with Liverpool - yes, that's right, Liverpool and they WILL win medals despite the envious tripe spouted on here about them because they are ambitious and have rich backers....nobody is saying that NUFC should be signing 35m players but there IS and should be, a balance.

 

Also, any club selling its top players will never prosper - end of...

If you don't want to talk Sheff Weds, try Burnley and see how selling best players did for them. NUFC DOES have a big support and only clubs with decent support can be successful over a long period. NUFC has not punched its weight over the years and if you can't(or WON'T) see that, you either haven't supported the club for very long or you have a poor memory recall.

 

Ashley may not be Abramovitch but he COULD back the club a bit better in the market - as could anyone who doesn't blink at losing 1m a shot in casinos..!! Failure to attract or keep good players means that any decent ones left at the club will also want to leave.

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i think this entire forum needs to get a grip, as annoyed as i am at the carroll saga, can anyone honestly say that we came off badly in it? i wish he still played for us, but £35 million for him is crazy money and honestly i can see why they sold. Just because we've sold one of our best players it doesn't suddenly mean that we will lose enrique and tiote in the summer, if we spend the £35 million with the addition of other funds as well (because after this season surely we need to invest some money besides as well to try and push on) and buy like we have for the last few windows then we should have a very very good team next season.

 

Quite frankly the idea that a team that spent last season in the championship but is too good to sell their best players, when good established PL teams like villa have had to sell milner and barry in recent years (for considerably less), sounds like we think we are bigger than we are. I don't think that selling players is the way forward but sometimes you have to take the hit and as long as it doesn't become a habit i dont think we can have too many complaints. Selling one good player doesn't make us a selling club and with reinvestment in the squad we could be a force next season.

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i think this entire forum needs to get a grip, as annoyed as i am at the carroll saga, can anyone honestly say that we came off badly in it? i wish he still played for us, but £35 million for him is crazy money and honestly i can see why they sold. Just because we've sold one of our best players it doesn't suddenly mean that we will lose enrique and tiote in the summer, if we spend the £35 million with the addition of other funds as well (because after this season surely we need to invest some money besides as well to try and push on) and buy like we have for the last few windows then we should have a very very good team next season.

 

Quite frankly the idea that a team that spent last season in the championship but is too good to sell their best players, when good established PL teams like villa have had to sell milner and barry in recent years (for considerably less), sounds like we think we are bigger than we are. I don't think that selling players is the way forward but sometimes you have to take the hit and as long as it doesn't become a habit i dont think we can have too many complaints. Selling one good player doesn't make us a selling club and with reinvestment in the squad we could be a force next season.

 

TBH you won't get through to anybody, people won't change their minds unless logical theory becomes fact and as such until the summer in which Tiote and Enrique stay you'll be able to be proven correct or if they leave you'll be wrong, there isn't a thing in the world you can do until either of those events occur.

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The cynicism of some posters is completely over the top but it's been earned given the way the higher-ups have operated the club in the recent past.

 

Spot on, I'm not sure why widespread distrust is still met with incredulity by some. We'll only see at the end of the summer whether the predictions are justified or not, there's no way of knowing now. Doesn't mean people can't or shouldn't make those predictions though.

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Can't see us selling Tiote, we only just signed the f***ing guy.

 

Wonder how long it'll be before I open a player thread and it isn't about him being definitely sold in the summer?

 

Get used to it. We used to be a club who bought players for large fees, give them massive career fulfilling contracts, and then could never get rid of them.

 

We are now a club who aims for players on lower fees, on lower wages, but with potential to be a hell of a lot better. It is a natural consequence of the second option that we will worry about the players we sign who turn out to be great player, and then leave for bigger and better clubs.

 

Do it consistently enough for a long period of time and you might get lucky and hit the sweet spot between the Arsenal model and the Man Utd model!

 

 

 

...and if you get it wrong a few times, you end up between the Sheffield Wednesday and WBA model...!

go the other way and it's leeds and pompey........and us to certain extent.

 

Leeds and Pompey do NOT have our crowd potential or drawing power.

Still, we can always settle for second best instead of 3rd best, eh !?

 

Leeds and NUFC's problems were the result of having a complete dickhead in charge instead of only a partial one..

you just don't want to get it do ya ? it doesn't matter what the size of crowds, turnover or prestige of club,'crowd potential or 'drawing power'......if you try to live too far beyond your means you'll end up f***ed. the only difference is the size of the numbers, the premise is the same for all.

 

 

 

Just don't want to 'get it'..!?

 

If I and others hadn't wanted to 'Get it' 20 years ago, the club would still have been run by McKeag's family and KK would never have arrived as manager ONCE. never mind twice...

 

I don't need a lesson in economics thanks - you are implying that the club would be 'living beyond its means'by competing for decent signings or trying to keep its best players ; that is a matter of conjecture - do you believe that Kuqui is a decent signing for a club like Newcastle ? Or would Gateshead be a more likely setting for him !?

 

We have sold a young player who, in all likelihood, will play for England for 10 years and win medals with Liverpool - yes, that's right, Liverpool and they WILL win medals despite the envious tripe spouted on here about them because they are ambitious and have rich backers....nobody is saying that NUFC should be signing 35m players but there IS and should be, a balance.

 

Also, any club selling its top players will never prosper - end of...

If you don't want to talk Sheff Weds, try Burnley and see how selling best players did for them. NUFC DOES have a big support and only clubs with decent support can be successful over a long period. NUFC has not punched its weight over the years and if you can't(or WON'T) see that, you either haven't supported the club for very long or you have a poor memory recall.

 

Ashley may not be Abramovitch but he COULD back the club a bit better in the market - as could anyone who doesn't blink at losing 1m a shot in casinos..!! Failure to attract or keep good players means that any decent ones left at the club will also want to leave.

 

How can you say the club hasn't been punching above it's weight when you look at the financial side of things before Ashley took over?  We were paying Champions League level wages!

 

Any club selling their best players will never proper...?  What about Sevilla, as Village Idiot points out?  It's all about the right balance, which is difficult to find, tbf.

 

What tripe is spoken about Liverpool as well?  Most of it is justified.  Head over to one of their forums if you don't like the scousers getting insulted.

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i think this entire forum needs to get a grip, as annoyed as i am at the carroll saga, can anyone honestly say that we came off badly in it? i wish he still played for us, but £35 million for him is crazy money and honestly i can see why they sold. Just because we've sold one of our best players it doesn't suddenly mean that we will lose enrique and tiote in the summer, if we spend the £35 million with the addition of other funds as well (because after this season surely we need to invest some money besides as well to try and push on) and buy like we have for the last few windows then we should have a very very good team next season.

 

Quite frankly the idea that a team that spent last season in the championship but is too good to sell their best players, when good established PL teams like villa have had to sell milner and barry in recent years (for considerably less), sounds like we think we are bigger than we are. I don't think that selling players is the way forward but sometimes you have to take the hit and as long as it doesn't become a habit i dont think we can have too many complaints. Selling one good player doesn't make us a selling club and with reinvestment in the squad we could be a force next season.

 

The Carroll sale is obviously debatable. But even those that disagree with it being the best option at that time can see the reasoning behind letting him go.

 

Its moreso the quotes that the managers coming out with for me, theyre quite defeatist. He could easily come out and say "We still do not want to lose our best players, the Carroll transfer was an exceptional circumstance because of the sum being offered". Hes atleast setting up a situation where the clubs believe they have to spend a bit once again to challenge our position. Instead he is saying "Its going to be very hard to keep Enrique/Tiote" etc which is more or less letting everyone know you've accepted they'll likely be off & is a great tactic to set up a bidding war.

 

Its a similar statement to "Ashleys trying very hard to resist offers" that came out on the transfer deadline day. Its pretty suspicious wording tbh As if you did want to set up a situation where you make other clubs aware of your players being ready to move & you being ready to sell, whilst still attempting to appear to fans as though you dont want to...saying it'll be "difficult" to keep hold of them is exactly how you'd word it.

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i think this entire forum needs to get a grip, as annoyed as i am at the carroll saga, can anyone honestly say that we came off badly in it? i wish he still played for us, but £35 million for him is crazy money and honestly i can see why they sold. Just because we've sold one of our best players it doesn't suddenly mean that we will lose enrique and tiote in the summer, if we spend the £35 million with the addition of other funds as well (because after this season surely we need to invest some money besides as well to try and push on) and buy like we have for the last few windows then we should have a very very good team next season.

 

Quite frankly the idea that a team that spent last season in the championship but is too good to sell their best players, when good established PL teams like villa have had to sell milner and barry in recent years (for considerably less), sounds like we think we are bigger than we are. I don't think that selling players is the way forward but sometimes you have to take the hit and as long as it doesn't become a habit i dont think we can have too many complaints. Selling one good player doesn't make us a selling club and with reinvestment in the squad we could be a force next season.

 

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In this respect, Carroll's sale could be a necessity for us if we wish to tie Tiote, Enrique and Barton down to lengthy contracts..

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No we came off badly because we lost a Geordie striker with the potential to be the fulcrum of our side for the next ten years. We can't replace that because unfortunately the likes of Carroll come round once or twice in a generation, if you're lucky.

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No we came off badly because we lost a Geordie striker with the potential to be the fulcrum of our side for the next ten years. We can't replace that because unfortunately the likes of Carroll come round once or twice in a generation, if you're lucky.

 

Not necessarily. The club now has the antennas out for local players, unlike before. And it's often not about talent, it's about serious attitudes and bloody hard work. Most that succeed doesn't have a particular talent for the game, but they're willing to train hard. The real talents, they tend to give up when they reach the point where they cannot float on their god given ability, but must work just as hard as the others.  Ole Gunnar Solskjaer spent ours each day training his finishing skills on a wall, John Arne Riise stood up 6 am each day to train before school.

 

So it not necessarily about finding a player with an "internal" talent for football. It's about finding the persons with the right motivations and attitudes. The rest could be taught by the club if they're brought in early enough. If the club have that focus, the options increases significantly.

 

 

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No we came off badly because we lost a Geordie striker with the potential to be the fulcrum of our side for the next ten years. We can't replace that because unfortunately the likes of Carroll come round once or twice in a generation, if you're lucky.

 

if we use that 35M wisely including investing in a top striker (there are quite a few around who is actually better than Carroll), then I don't give a toss if the one banging in the goals for us is Geordie or not. Those are just emotional niceties which has no bearing on the club's performance.

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