Toon Ultras Portfolio

[Guest Geordiesned]

Not sure if its been posted, but this is on NUFC.com about last nights match, as a follow up to thei rpiece praising the 'singing section'...

 

Carling Cup - a view:

 

Strawberry fools

 

Our observations above were from the opposite end of the ground and on that basis, the visible and audible element informed our comments.

 

A number of readers however who were in the vicinity of the Strawberry corner have emailed in to express their unhappiness with the events of Wednesday night, eg:

 

Dave H:

 

Cant disagree more, yesterday I was very much in favour of the efforts of the Bring back the noise, and while I still support for the need to create a section solely for that, I must condemn the moronic behaviour of some those involved.

 

I was sitting in the Gallowgate right next to the corner, and witnessed myself some drunken behaviour, with "Ultra's" being escorted out by Stewards with full plastic glasses of lager.

 

One idiot even walked along the concourse waving his glass in the air, until he was apprehended & taken away by the constabulary. 

 

The stewards who operate in this area and do a good job in assisting supporters every match day did not deserve the abuse or being spat at, they were only doing their job. 

 

Supporters who were not part of the Ultras in the corner were also subjected to abuse when they complained about obstructed views.

 

I agree that the majority of the ultras were good-humoured and made a lot of noise.

 

However in my mind they have done their cause no great favours if they cannot respect other people around them or stadium rules.

 

The majority of the lads are doing a great job but unfortunately you may get dragged down by the muppets that you have amongst you.

[kane2005]

Not sure if its been posted, but this is on NUFC.com about last nights match, as a follow up to thei rpiece praising the 'singing section'...

 

Carling Cup - a view:

 

Strawberry fools

 

Our observations above were from the opposite end of the ground and on that basis, the visible and audible element informed our comments.

 

A number of readers however who were in the vicinity of the Strawberry corner have emailed in to express their unhappiness with the events of Wednesday night, eg:

 

Dave H:

 

Cant disagree more, yesterday I was very much in favour of the efforts of the Bring back the noise, and while I still support for the need to create a section solely for that, I must condemn the moronic behaviour of some those involved.

 

I was sitting in the Gallowgate right next to the corner, and witnessed myself some drunken behaviour, with "Ultra's" being escorted out by Stewards with full plastic glasses of lager.

 

One idiot even walked along the concourse waving his glass in the air, until he was apprehended & taken away by the constabulary. 

 

The stewards who operate in this area and do a good job in assisting supporters every match day did not deserve the abuse or being spat at, they were only doing their job. 

 

Supporters who were not part of the Ultras in the corner were also subjected to abuse when they complained about obstructed views.

 

I agree that the majority of the ultras were good-humoured and made a lot of noise.

 

However in my mind they have done their cause no great favours if they cannot respect other people around them or stadium rules.

 

The majority of the lads are doing a great job but unfortunately you may get dragged down by the muppets that you have amongst you.

 

I seen nobody get thrown out and this idea of spitting on stewards blah blah blah crap is actually funny to here as i am sure that person would of got thrown out.

 

That post was quite funny for us ultras as we know what a a pile of wank it is.

 

I am under the impression that anything bad that happens in the ground now gets tarred to the ultras , simply because the person who "seen" it , the only one mind you , doesn't like us.

[timnufc22]

Bring Back the Noise (aka Toon Ultras) is a worthy cause, in my opinion.

 

The 'famous' atmosphere has been lacking for a while now, exemplified by long periods of Highbury-esque silence under Souness and Roeder. Granted, there hasn't been much to sing about (poor results, heading in the wrong direction, half-arsed players, etc) but I'm of the firm believer that all of the fans should be behind the shirt for the 90-minutes or so on a Saturday afternoon.

 

Echoing many of the thoughts put forward by others, both on this forum and in the pub/ground, there's a certain 'yobbishness' implied when one person starts singing on their own, this is worsened when nobody else joins in and you end up feeling like a bit of a nutter(!). Having a designated area(s) of the ground where you can knowingly buy a seat surrounded by like-minded fans - i.e. those who wish to support the team vocally & visually - would be a vast improvement on the current situation, where I have often ended up next to 'John' & 'Bill' who take the phrase "spectator sport" a little too literally..!

 

The enthusiam and effort shown to date by the 'Toon Ultras' should be roundly applauded by anyone who claims to have the best interests of NUFC at heart. It was proven on Sunday that the crowd can play a part in affecting a player's confidence and mood, a powerful weapon for any football team, especially a premiership club where the margins for error are so small already.

 

However, the manner in which the 'Toon Ultras' are going about highlighting their campaign does require smartening up if they really want to be a long-lasting success and not another flash-in-the-pan supporters group (i.e. the original Bring Back the Noise movement). The enthusiasm and effort is commendable, but it will only take you so far, careful management and expertise is needed to ensure the campaign moves forward in the right direction and continues to grow. Naturally, the more successful the campaign is, the more members you will have which will require stronger leadership.

 

It comes across as though certain members of the TU/BBTN 'leadership' are unable or unwilling to release any power or influence over the group, even if it would further the cause in the short and long term. For example, BBTN/TU managed to get a meeting with the club to discuss their ideas face-to-face. Congratulations.

 

Really, that is a fantastic achievement, something which may never have happened under the old regime and is a just reward for your hard work so far. However, the opportunity was there to invite wiser/older/more experienced heads into the campaign BEFORE you sat down with the club and handed over your 'portfolio'. With the lure of a meeting with the club, you could have certainly brought in the experienced head to brush up the appearance of the campaign. Afterall, it seems obvious that the key ingredient missing from group is credibility.

 

Credibility in the eyes of the club, credibility in the eyes of the local press, credibility to your fellow fans. Without a level of credibility, you're going to continue to stumble through as a 200-or-so collection of young lads, who'll eventually disband as life gets in the way of football.

 

This is a bit of a ramble now, but what I'm trying to say is well done, you've got so far, but the people who currently 'run' TU/BBTN need to understand that they can't achieve their aims (or even get close) without accepting help AND working with a broader scope of fan.

 

Think about it. Try to pin-point where you might be going wrong: with the club, the press and the rest of the fans. Invite people to work with you but don't throw their comments back in their face - it's all about credibility.

 

Spot on.

[Elliottman]

Not sure if its been posted, but this is on NUFC.com about last nights match, as a follow up to thei rpiece praising the 'singing section'...

 

Carling Cup - a view:

 

Strawberry fools

 

Our observations above were from the opposite end of the ground and on that basis, the visible and audible element informed our comments.

 

A number of readers however who were in the vicinity of the Strawberry corner have emailed in to express their unhappiness with the events of Wednesday night, eg:

 

Dave H:

 

Cant disagree more, yesterday I was very much in favour of the efforts of the Bring back the noise, and while I still support for the need to create a section solely for that, I must condemn the moronic behaviour of some those involved.

 

I was sitting in the Gallowgate right next to the corner, and witnessed myself some drunken behaviour, with "Ultra's" being escorted out by Stewards with full plastic glasses of lager.

 

One idiot even walked along the concourse waving his glass in the air, until he was apprehended & taken away by the constabulary. 

 

The stewards who operate in this area and do a good job in assisting supporters every match day did not deserve the abuse or being spat at, they were only doing their job. 

 

Supporters who were not part of the Ultras in the corner were also subjected to abuse when they complained about obstructed views.

 

I agree that the majority of the ultras were good-humoured and made a lot of noise.

 

However in my mind they have done their cause no great favours if they cannot respect other people around them or stadium rules.

 

The majority of the lads are doing a great job but unfortunately you may get dragged down by the muppets that you have amongst you.

 

I seen nobody get thrown out and this idea of spitting on stewards blah blah blah crap is actually funny to here as i am sure that person would of got thrown out.

 

That post was quite funny for us ultras as we know what a a pile of w*** it is.

 

I am under the impression that anything bad that happens in the ground now gets tarred to the ultras , simply because the person who "seen" it , the only one mind you , doesn't like us.

 

i seen at least one person fom the Ultras section gettting thrown out.

 

however, apart from that i thought they were great. Just sang start to finish and got other parts of the crowd going too. First time ive had a sore throat from singing at a match for a while!

[Dave]

saw

[Guest Saint Andy]

saw

 

not bad, didn't think much of the next two though.

[Shak]

saw

 

not bad, didn't think much of the next two though.

 

Second one was very good I thought, third was poor I agree.

[Allmo]

Not sure if its been posted, but this is on NUFC.com about last nights match, as a follow up to thei rpiece praising the 'singing section'...

 

Carling Cup - a view:

 

Strawberry fools

 

Our observations above were from the opposite end of the ground and on that basis, the visible and audible element informed our comments.

 

A number of readers however who were in the vicinity of the Strawberry corner have emailed in to express their unhappiness with the events of Wednesday night, eg:

 

Dave H:

 

Cant disagree more, yesterday I was very much in favour of the efforts of the Bring back the noise, and while I still support for the need to create a section solely for that, I must condemn the moronic behaviour of some those involved.

 

I was sitting in the Gallowgate right next to the corner, and witnessed myself some drunken behaviour, with "Ultra's" being escorted out by Stewards with full plastic glasses of lager.

 

One idiot even walked along the concourse waving his glass in the air, until he was apprehended & taken away by the constabulary. 

 

The stewards who operate in this area and do a good job in assisting supporters every match day did not deserve the abuse or being spat at, they were only doing their job. 

 

Supporters who were not part of the Ultras in the corner were also subjected to abuse when they complained about obstructed views.

 

I agree that the majority of the ultras were good-humoured and made a lot of noise.

 

However in my mind they have done their cause no great favours if they cannot respect other people around them or stadium rules.

 

The majority of the lads are doing a great job but unfortunately you may get dragged down by the muppets that you have amongst you.

 

I seen nobody get thrown out and this idea of spitting on stewards blah blah blah crap is actually funny to here as i am sure that person would of got thrown out.

 

That post was quite funny for us ultras as we know what a a pile of w*** it is.

 

I am under the impression that anything bad that happens in the ground now gets tarred to the ultras , simply because the person who "seen" it , the only one mind you , doesn't like us.

We do attract some of the wrong kind of people, hence why we used to be wrongly labeled as charvs. If an Ultra who we know was an ultra had any kind of trouble with the police/steward we would have all known about it as it would have been brought up on the forum at some point, however it hasn't, and I would hazard a guess at it being someone who has gave us a bad name in the past, or someone of that ilk. I did see a lad who looked about 13 at most try to sneak out from the concourse then rightly get dragged back by the police, I didn't know him, none of us.

 

Our 'problem' is that anyone can sit or stand with us, therefore any numpty can come next to us and cause trouble and from an outsiders point of view, it's an ultra doing it.

 

On a completely different note, we do come across as very defensive on here. The reason for this is that we have been slated by anyone and everyone in the past, and now we are getting somewhere with a lot of people backing us, however on here it seems there are some people who still want to wrongly slate us as the 'shoes off' brigade etc... It winds some of our members (Kane more so than others  blueyes.gif) up, and in turn we come across as confrontational to those people.

[Baggio]

Not sure if its been posted, but this is on NUFC.com about last nights match, as a follow up to thei rpiece praising the 'singing section'...

 

Carling Cup - a view:

 

Strawberry fools

 

Our observations above were from the opposite end of the ground and on that basis, the visible and audible element informed our comments.

 

A number of readers however who were in the vicinity of the Strawberry corner have emailed in to express their unhappiness with the events of Wednesday night, eg:

 

Dave H:

 

Cant disagree more, yesterday I was very much in favour of the efforts of the Bring back the noise, and while I still support for the need to create a section solely for that, I must condemn the moronic behaviour of some those involved.

 

I was sitting in the Gallowgate right next to the corner, and witnessed myself some drunken behaviour, with "Ultra's" being escorted out by Stewards with full plastic glasses of lager.

 

One idiot even walked along the concourse waving his glass in the air, until he was apprehended & taken away by the constabulary. 

 

The stewards who operate in this area and do a good job in assisting supporters every match day did not deserve the abuse or being spat at, they were only doing their job. 

 

Supporters who were not part of the Ultras in the corner were also subjected to abuse when they complained about obstructed views.

 

I agree that the majority of the ultras were good-humoured and made a lot of noise.

 

However in my mind they have done their cause no great favours if they cannot respect other people around them or stadium rules.

 

The majority of the lads are doing a great job but unfortunately you may get dragged down by the muppets that you have amongst you.

 

I seen nobody get thrown out and this idea of spitting on stewards blah blah blah crap is actually funny to here as i am sure that person would of got thrown out.

 

That post was quite funny for us ultras as we know what a a pile of w*** it is.

 

I am under the impression that anything bad that happens in the ground now gets tarred to the ultras , simply because the person who "seen" it , the only one mind you , doesn't like us.

We do attract some of the wrong kind of people, hence why we used to be wrongly labeled as charvs. If an Ultra who we know was an ultra had any kind of trouble with the police/steward we would have all known about it as it would have been brought up on the forum at some point, however it hasn't, and I would hazard a guess at it being someone who has gave us a bad name in the past, or someone of that ilk. I did see a lad who looked about 13 at most try to sneak out from the concourse then rightly get dragged back by the police, I didn't know him, none of us.

 

Our 'problem' is that anyone can sit or stand with us, therefore any numpty can come next to us and cause trouble and from an outsiders point of view, it's an ultra doing it.

 

On a completely different note, we do come across as very defensive on here. The reason for this is that we have been slated by anyone and everyone in the past, and now we are getting somewhere with a lot of people backing us, however on here it seems there are some people who still want to wrongly slate us as the 'shoes off' brigade etc... It winds some of our members (Kane more so than others  blueyes.gif) up, and in turn we come across as confrontational to those people.

 

At the end of the day the lad was sat with your lot, no point in saying he wasn't an Ultra as it's hardly an official group with any form of membership, who's to say who's a part of the Ultra's and who isn't?

 

From what we've seen of Kane on here I can't think of a single reason why anyone would want to be part of a group with that idiot as some sort of figurehead.

[Allmo]

Not sure if its been posted, but this is on NUFC.com about last nights match, as a follow up to thei rpiece praising the 'singing section'...

 

Carling Cup - a view:

 

Strawberry fools

 

Our observations above were from the opposite end of the ground and on that basis, the visible and audible element informed our comments.

 

A number of readers however who were in the vicinity of the Strawberry corner have emailed in to express their unhappiness with the events of Wednesday night, eg:

 

Dave H:

 

Cant disagree more, yesterday I was very much in favour of the efforts of the Bring back the noise, and while I still support for the need to create a section solely for that, I must condemn the moronic behaviour of some those involved.

 

I was sitting in the Gallowgate right next to the corner, and witnessed myself some drunken behaviour, with "Ultra's" being escorted out by Stewards with full plastic glasses of lager.

 

One idiot even walked along the concourse waving his glass in the air, until he was apprehended & taken away by the constabulary. 

 

The stewards who operate in this area and do a good job in assisting supporters every match day did not deserve the abuse or being spat at, they were only doing their job. 

 

Supporters who were not part of the Ultras in the corner were also subjected to abuse when they complained about obstructed views.

 

I agree that the majority of the ultras were good-humoured and made a lot of noise.

 

However in my mind they have done their cause no great favours if they cannot respect other people around them or stadium rules.

 

The majority of the lads are doing a great job but unfortunately you may get dragged down by the muppets that you have amongst you.

 

I seen nobody get thrown out and this idea of spitting on stewards blah blah blah crap is actually funny to here as i am sure that person would of got thrown out.

 

That post was quite funny for us ultras as we know what a a pile of w*** it is.

 

I am under the impression that anything bad that happens in the ground now gets tarred to the ultras , simply because the person who "seen" it , the only one mind you , doesn't like us.

We do attract some of the wrong kind of people, hence why we used to be wrongly labeled as charvs. If an Ultra who we know was an ultra had any kind of trouble with the police/steward we would have all known about it as it would have been brought up on the forum at some point, however it hasn't, and I would hazard a guess at it being someone who has gave us a bad name in the past, or someone of that ilk. I did see a lad who looked about 13 at most try to sneak out from the concourse then rightly get dragged back by the police, I didn't know him, none of us.

 

Our 'problem' is that anyone can sit or stand with us, therefore any numpty can come next to us and cause trouble and from an outsiders point of view, it's an ultra doing it.

 

On a completely different note, we do come across as very defensive on here. The reason for this is that we have been slated by anyone and everyone in the past, and now we are getting somewhere with a lot of people backing us, however on here it seems there are some people who still want to wrongly slate us as the 'shoes off' brigade etc... It winds some of our members (Kane more so than others  blueyes.gif) up, and in turn we come across as confrontational to those people.

 

At the end of the day the lad was sat with your lot, no point in saying he wasn't an Ultra as it's hardly an official group with any form of membership, who's to say who's a part of the Ultra's and who isn't?

 

From what we've seen of Kane on here I can't think of a single reason why anyone would want to be part of a group with that idiot as some sort of figurehead.

I'm not commenting on the second point really, as Kane's a sound lad, just very passionate about the Ultras. He also isn't a figurehead for us, just someone who posts on here a lot. 

 

But for the first point, If a situation occurred where lets say a black player was subject to racial abuse by a minority of fans. The next day the papers were stating that the whole of the away support were bigoted racists. Would you not feel pissed off with the fact that everyone is labeled racists where as its only a few. Its the same with us, only a few people in our section were being dickheads, and we are all being labeled as yobs or drunkards. When these people aren't even ultras (If we don't know the person, the person isn't an ultra as that person does not know our 'code of conduct' (no 'Easy Easy' 'Shoe's off' etc...) so to speak, therefore thats an individual fan who wants to stand next to us.) it pisses us off even more as it's not a small minority of us doing it, but a minority of Newcastle fans standing next to us. 

 

N.B. - That's my view of who or who isn't an ultra, it's not something that has actually been defined tbh as it hasn't been a real issue up until now.

[Superior Acuña]

Not sure if its been posted, but this is on NUFC.com about last nights match, as a follow up to thei rpiece praising the 'singing section'...

 

Carling Cup - a view:

 

Strawberry fools

 

Our observations above were from the opposite end of the ground and on that basis, the visible and audible element informed our comments.

 

A number of readers however who were in the vicinity of the Strawberry corner have emailed in to express their unhappiness with the events of Wednesday night, eg:

 

Dave H:

 

Cant disagree more, yesterday I was very much in favour of the efforts of the Bring back the noise, and while I still support for the need to create a section solely for that, I must condemn the moronic behaviour of some those involved.

 

I was sitting in the Gallowgate right next to the corner, and witnessed myself some drunken behaviour, with "Ultra's" being escorted out by Stewards with full plastic glasses of lager.

 

One idiot even walked along the concourse waving his glass in the air, until he was apprehended & taken away by the constabulary. 

 

The stewards who operate in this area and do a good job in assisting supporters every match day did not deserve the abuse or being spat at, they were only doing their job. 

 

Supporters who were not part of the Ultras in the corner were also subjected to abuse when they complained about obstructed views.

 

I agree that the majority of the ultras were good-humoured and made a lot of noise.

 

However in my mind they have done their cause no great favours if they cannot respect other people around them or stadium rules.

 

The majority of the lads are doing a great job but unfortunately you may get dragged down by the muppets that you have amongst you.

 

I seen nobody get thrown out and this idea of spitting on stewards blah blah blah crap is actually funny to here as i am sure that person would of got thrown out.

 

That post was quite funny for us ultras as we know what a a pile of w*** it is.

 

I am under the impression that anything bad that happens in the ground now gets tarred to the ultras , simply because the person who "seen" it , the only one mind you , doesn't like us.

 

I was in the milburn stand and i saw people get thrown out there, at least one

[Stu]

just out of interest, how many of the current Toon Ultras/BBTN campaign are season ticket holders?

[Guest SuperMan]

just out of interest, how many of the current Toon Ultras/BBTN campaign are season ticket holders?

 

Basically all of the core members on the forum have season tickets.

[Northern Monkey]

Is it just me, or does the title of this thread make anyoen else think of those dubious soft-focus photoshoots that stupid birds pay a fortune for off some shady photographer?

 

 

[Yorkie]

Is it just me, or does the title of this thread make anyoen else think of those dubious soft-focus photoshoots that stupid birds pay a fortune for off some shady photographer?

 

Just you i reckon.

[Northern Monkey]

Is it just me, or does the title of this thread make anyoen else think of those dubious soft-focus photoshoots that stupid birds pay a fortune for off some shady photographer?

 

Just you i reckon.

 

i feared as much.

[Yorkie]

You'll get over it.

[Ally]

As I said in another thread, in the words of my Dad they are a 'bunch of wankers'.

[Northern Monkey]

As I said in another thread, in the words of my Dad they are a 'bunch of wankers'.

 

oh, well if YOUR DAD says so, they must be.

 

PS - my Dad's mate from work says your Dad is a cock-sucker. But i don't necessarily believe that.

[Ally]

As I said in another thread, in the words of my Dad they are a 'bunch of wankers'.

 

oh, well if YOUR DAD says so, they must be.

 

PS - my Dad's mate from work says your Dad is a cock-sucker. But i don't necessarily believe that.

 

Super.

[Tsunami]

The "senior" members of BBTNB look to have nothing but good intentions. Why can't some Mods on here get over any issues that may exist between them & arrange a get together with those from BBTNB in an effort to establish common ground & perhaps help out?

 

We all want a better atmosphere & no-one wants an Ultra group where violence/ abuse is on the agenda.

 

Seems to me that BBTNB need help with their credibility & strengthen their leading members.

 

Everyone will have to accept that where ever you set up or house a singing section you will attract a hooligan element & it is how you manage it that matters. If they can be seen to whistle blow on these undesirables (t*ats) it will help towards credibility.

[Heron]

The "senior" members of BBTNB look to have nothing but good intentions. Why can't some Mods on here get over any issues that may exist between them & arrange a get together with those from BBTNB in an effort to establish common ground & perhaps help out?

 

We all want a better atmosphere & no-one wants an Ultra group where violence/ abuse is on the agenda.

 

Seems to me that BBTNB need help with their credibility & strengthen their leading members.

 

Everyone will have to accept that where ever you set up or house a singing section you will attract a hooligan element & it is how you manage it that matters. If they can be seen to whistle blow on these undesirables (t*ats) it will help towards credibility.

 

I like that idea. I think it would be a great move for us (Toon Ultras) because we need to get as many people on our side as possible. Obviously it won't matter as much for the Newcastle-Online lot because your already an established site and the only way we can help you is by increasing the atmosphere and making your matchdays more enjoyable.

 

I think it could maybes be a good idea to have a Toon Ultras 'sticky' just so we can post up current ideas and events that we are planning. Just so we can make it clearer what is happening. If an Admin'/Mod' would be willing to do this it would be much appreciated.

[ToonTastic]

It was agreed a while back the site would fully support as much as it could if there was a name change and we were told there would be but it never came.

[Heron]

It was agreed a while back the site would fully support as much as it could if there was a name change and we were told there would be but it never came.

 

NUFC.COM amongst others appear to be calling us the BBTN Boys now, maybe you could use the same alternative name?

 

I'm pretty sure almost everyone who reads these forums regularly, and the club, are fully aware of our ambitions. You don't have to promote us or anything, it would just be a thread for us to post up possible flag designs, display ideas, and new songs, then people could make suggestions about how to improve things.

 

Currently, Toon Ultras have several new songs that seem to be struggling to get out for everyone to know. I think with a thread similar to the one previously mentioned alot more people can join in with our songs and get more involved whether people are Ultras or not....resulting in a louder St James'.

[ToonTastic]

I don't think the idea was to give away part of the site to post on More to promote what the ultras had planned. I think it gets confused calling your guys BBTN when you call yourselves Ultras would confuse people who have no idea what your doing.

 

I like the idea of the Ultras, I think it's got a long way to go though cause at the minute the noise is fixed in one section which doesn't work, also after reading your forum the ideas of being silent for 5 minutes or whatever to show how "important" the ultras are or to all run in making loads of noise, seems to detract totally from the apparent idea of the group.