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I've been honest about my views on the current NUSC I believe the majority of those fans are in the group because they want Ashley out. I believe if Ashley spent a small fortune in the summer on buying "big name players" like FS did then they would all settle down and be happy again. This however would not solve any of the problems at the club and I hope now that Ashley is using this business plan and sorting the club out correctly. I still think a NUSC is needed and must have direct access to the board and people able to have their say. The current NUSC is not that group though.

Why does Mike Ashley not have the best interests of our club at heart? Can you explain that? When he is putting in his own money, yes its a loan but at 0%, and Shepherd put in a loan at 11%. What makes Ashley the demon that he has been painted as, apart from Keegan walking out? And no I am not an Ashley apologist or supporter, but the "Ashley couldn't give a toss" line is starting to wear thin with me. It's just people making assumptions and twisting stuff to suit their own beliefs and agendas when they can't actually prove it. I don't think everyone is no. Alot of what has been quoted in terms of numbers if nothing else have all be released and are fact.

Could be a case of top offer in January if he signed there and then else revised contract which can sit on the table till the end of the year.

Why do you keep saying this despite people telling you that we were "told" no such thing? http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/index.php/mike-ashley-statement "I was always prepared to bankroll Newcastle up to the tune of £20m per year." OK it's not on the first team. But does this not contradict Lambarse's stated intention of having the club run at an overall loss of just £7M in 2 years? Has Ashley channged his mind on what he's willing to spend since taking us off the market and wanting to make a go of it? Currently: Loss of £20m = Ashley puts in £20m to cover 2 Years Time: Loss of £7m = Ashley puts in £7m to cover and £13m for squad building I see. So where's this £8M for summer spending come from? Considering the loss last year was supposed to be £36M. Is he pumping £44M in? Why double the investment in the summer if you want to decrease losses and tighten your belt? Nothing they say adds up. Might god your complaining because he's spent MORE money !! He said he would cover at least £20m a season. During his interview when he said he would sell he said he would still cover this but nothing else. Yet he is paying out more money and your complaining. Do you even know what your complaint is ?

Why do you keep saying this despite people telling you that we were "told" no such thing? http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/index.php/mike-ashley-statement "I was always prepared to bankroll Newcastle up to the tune of £20m per year." OK it's not on the first team. But does this not contradict Lambarse's stated intention of having the club run at an overall loss of just £7M in 2 years? Has Ashley channged his mind on what he's willing to spend since taking us off the market and wanting to make a go of it? Hows that ? What's to say you can't buy players and not be spending over 70% of your income on wages ? With the deadwood gone and the finances sorted we can buy players and when the debt is gone that £20m a year will all be for players plus any profits the club makes.

If the NUSC weren't getting so much press coverage with their demands for communication from the club you can be sure this interview would never have happened. Thats rubbish I'm afraid. The club had said before Xmas they would talk after the transfer window. NUSC had sweet FA to do with the interview or the future meeting. In fact I don't even know if anyone on NUSC is part of the meeting, they might be I don't know. The club said just after christams they'd be speaking in the new year (Ashley's programme notes for the Liverpool game). That never happened though so Kinnear said it would be after the transfer window. Then he said it would be the end of the season that they'd talk to supporters groups. Now Llambias points out they're regularly talking to supporters groups. Nobody at the club is reading from the same page. Anyhow, why did they feel the need to break from their policy of silence, if not due to the pressure they were under? It's been known by the people who go to the meetings it would be February for a long time. I don't care what JK said how much of what he says is true anyway I think you're confusing meetings with fan representatives (stewarding, prices etc.) with broader communication (Club direction, transfer policy, who's running the club etc.). Llambias hasn't even been involved with the former has he? I think (assume) that's all Llambias is on about when he mentions the meetings with the fans. He hasn't been involved with those yet but he is in february from what I understand. Mort was included in the last lot though. I'll not count my chickens that he will just yet, but I was on about the latter. Would you Adam and Eve it? I hear Llambias has only gone and cancelled his promised appearance at the February get together. *SHOCK* *HORROR* Long live open dialogue and communication. mackems.gif What a f***ing joke. No surprise to see this post has been ignored though. I'll just keep bumping it to quieten the gullible. Most of the papers have gone with Kinnear needing heart surgery so if that's the case then it's understandable that talking to a fans forum isn't top priority and getting together with club directors to work out what they plan to do about the managerial situation is. It comments like this from NUSC that make them look like self important arseholes. You're a betting man Baggio. What odds will you give me that Keegan wins an £8M constructive dismissal payout next month and Lambarse uses it to justify spending nowt in the summer? If he did (he also mentioned the £4m we're owed for Milner which will go on transfers) how would you expect the club to pay out more when we're up s*** creek in debt! Ahh no I'm sorry just chase the current board out and we'll get that Billionaire in that NUSC have lined up. Yeah. We were "told" the club had £100M of debt when Ashley arrived which was now completely cleared. We were "told" the Ashley would invest £20M a season in the first team. But after 2 years he's £2M in profit on transfers. We were "told" he would sell the club. We were "told" Lambarse would meet the NUSC in February. Forgive me if I don't see what they say as the gods honest. In his own words, "Actions speak louder than words" and the only actions we've seen have left us as relegation bait. The clubs £100m debt is still there it's just not now paying 11% interest a month. There were extra debts since been discovered to add to that. He has invested £20m per season towards the running costs of the club. So your saying he's spent an extra £2m of once again his own money to cover those transfers. He tried, no one wanted it. It's been cancelled grow up meetings get cancelled I'm sure it will be re arranged. I'm sure it won't. And no, I'm saying he's made £2M net profit on transfers. They can sell this myth about having to stabalise the finances before investing but according to the figures, they've added £15M to the wage bill since they arrived... £56.6M before they arrived £70M In the latest figures And, had it not been for the £6.5m the club received in compensation for striker Michael Owen’s World Cup knee injury, the percentage of revenue would have looked even worse. So are we in a better position financially because of their frugality, or are we more in danger of going under when we get relegated? Theres other people on here who can argue finances with you theres been plenty of discussions in other threads but basically the full load of all the past finances has now all come out and we were in a mess, we're now getting better which would mean even relegation would be ok in terms of cash.

When you explain how this can possibly be the case when he's put over £250m of his own money into the club ?

Thats the only thing I think we agree on.

Think it was that in the Journal this morning. More in Chronicle this afternoon.

If the NUSC weren't getting so much press coverage with their demands for communication from the club you can be sure this interview would never have happened. Thats rubbish I'm afraid. The club had said before Xmas they would talk after the transfer window. NUSC had sweet FA to do with the interview or the future meeting. In fact I don't even know if anyone on NUSC is part of the meeting, they might be I don't know. The club said just after christams they'd be speaking in the new year (Ashley's programme notes for the Liverpool game). That never happened though so Kinnear said it would be after the transfer window. Then he said it would be the end of the season that they'd talk to supporters groups. Now Llambias points out they're regularly talking to supporters groups. Nobody at the club is reading from the same page. Anyhow, why did they feel the need to break from their policy of silence, if not due to the pressure they were under? It's been known by the people who go to the meetings it would be February for a long time. I don't care what JK said how much of what he says is true anyway I think you're confusing meetings with fan representatives (stewarding, prices etc.) with broader communication (Club direction, transfer policy, who's running the club etc.). Llambias hasn't even been involved with the former has he? I think (assume) that's all Llambias is on about when he mentions the meetings with the fans. He hasn't been involved with those yet but he is in february from what I understand. Mort was included in the last lot though. I'll not count my chickens that he will just yet, but I was on about the latter. Would you Adam and Eve it? I hear Llambias has only gone and cancelled his promised appearance at the February get together. *SHOCK* *HORROR* Long live open dialogue and communication. mackems.gif What a f***ing joke. No surprise to see this post has been ignored though. I'll just keep bumping it to quieten the gullible. Most of the papers have gone with Kinnear needing heart surgery so if that's the case then it's understandable that talking to a fans forum isn't top priority and getting together with club directors to work out what they plan to do about the managerial situation is. It comments like this from NUSC that make them look like self important arseholes. You're a betting man Baggio. What odds will you give me that Keegan wins an £8M constructive dismissal payout next month and Lambarse uses it to justify spending nowt in the summer? If he did (he also mentioned the £4m we're owed for Milner which will go on transfers) how would you expect the club to pay out more when we're up s*** creek in debt! Ahh no I'm sorry just chase the current board out and we'll get that Billionaire in that NUSC have lined up. Yeah. We were "told" the club had £100M of debt when Ashley arrived which was now completely cleared. We were "told" the Ashley would invest £20M a season in the first team. But after 2 years he's £2M in profit on transfers. We were "told" he would sell the club. We were "told" Lambarse would meet the NUSC in February. Forgive me if I don't see what they say as the gods honest. In his own words, "Actions speak louder than words" and the only actions we've seen have left us as relegation bait. The clubs £100m debt is still there it's just not now paying 11% interest a month. There were extra debts since been discovered to add to that. He has invested £20m per season towards the running costs of the club. So your saying he's spent an extra £2m of once again his own money to cover those transfers. He tried, no one wanted it. It's been cancelled grow up meetings get cancelled I'm sure it will be re arranged.

Maybe they are really a support group as they appear to be turning people into liking and supporting the board so much more lol So much that they are staying away from the ground ? We still have 41,000 season ticket holders the only people who as present aren't there are the fans who can pick and choose tickets on general sale. How many will this drop by come the summer ? I have no idea and neither do you. True, but it doesn't look good when people are voting with their feet already. The 41,000 season tickets were bought prior to the Keegan problems and protests. You're correct to say I don't know by how many don't renew but I bet there is a marked decline in season ticket sales. We'll have to just wait and see though anything can happen between now and then and that's the best way to protest if your not happy don't buy a ticket.

Maybe they are really a support group as they appear to be turning people into liking and supporting the board so much more lol So much that they are staying away from the ground ? We still have 41,000 season ticket holders the only people who as present aren't there are the fans who can pick and choose tickets on general sale. How many will this drop by come the summer ? I have no idea and neither do you.

They do listen to fans thats why they have public meetings to which everyone is invited. The last part of your post seems a bit far fetched. I know I heard it, from the one or two people who suggested better ideas they were basically ignored and the usual rose to the top. Maybe a forum is necessary to communicate better the ideas ?

Maybe they are really a support group as they appear to be turning people into liking and supporting the board so much more lol

Yeah the accounts are hardly wide open for everyone to know what happens to them. £10 basically gets your a keyring, sticker, badge, membership card and paper when you have to vote. Hardly £10s worth there so where is the money ?

If the NUSC weren't getting so much press coverage with their demands for communication from the club you can be sure this interview would never have happened. Thats rubbish I'm afraid. The club had said before Xmas they would talk after the transfer window. NUSC had sweet FA to do with the interview or the future meeting. In fact I don't even know if anyone on NUSC is part of the meeting, they might be I don't know. The club said just after christams they'd be speaking in the new year (Ashley's programme notes for the Liverpool game). That never happened though so Kinnear said it would be after the transfer window. Then he said it would be the end of the season that they'd talk to supporters groups. Now Llambias points out they're regularly talking to supporters groups. Nobody at the club is reading from the same page. Anyhow, why did they feel the need to break from their policy of silence, if not due to the pressure they were under? It's been known by the people who go to the meetings it would be February for a long time. I don't care what JK said how much of what he says is true anyway I think you're confusing meetings with fan representatives (stewarding, prices etc.) with broader communication (Club direction, transfer policy, who's running the club etc.). Llambias hasn't even been involved with the former has he? I think (assume) that's all Llambias is on about when he mentions the meetings with the fans. He hasn't been involved with those yet but he is in february from what I understand. Mort was included in the last lot though. I'll not count my chickens that he will just yet, but I was on about the latter. Would you Adam and Eve it? I hear Llambias has only gone and cancelled his promised appearance at the February get together. *SHOCK* *HORROR* Long live open dialogue and communication. mackems.gif What a f***ing joke. No surprise to see this post has been ignored though. I'll just keep bumping it to quieten the gullible. Most of the papers have gone with Kinnear needing heart surgery so if that's the case then it's understandable that talking to a fans forum isn't top priority and getting together with club directors to work out what they plan to do about the managerial situation is. It comments like this from NUSC that make them look like self important arseholes. You're a betting man Baggio. What odds will you give me that Keegan wins an £8M constructive dismissal payout next month and Lambarse uses it to justify spending nowt in the summer? If he did (he also mentioned the £4m we're owed for Milner which will go on transfers) how would you expect the club to pay out more when we're up s*** creek in debt! Ahh no I'm sorry just chase the current board out and we'll get that Billionaire in that NUSC have lined up.

Baggio basically said it better than I could.

Would prefer him as a DOF than manager as he's no spring chicken and has his own health problems doesn't he ?

If the NUSC weren't getting so much press coverage with their demands for communication from the club you can be sure this interview would never have happened. Thats rubbish I'm afraid. The club had said before Xmas they would talk after the transfer window. NUSC had sweet FA to do with the interview or the future meeting. In fact I don't even know if anyone on NUSC is part of the meeting, they might be I don't know. The club said just after christams they'd be speaking in the new year (Ashley's programme notes for the Liverpool game). That never happened though so Kinnear said it would be after the transfer window. Then he said it would be the end of the season that they'd talk to supporters groups. Now Llambias points out they're regularly talking to supporters groups. Nobody at the club is reading from the same page. Anyhow, why did they feel the need to break from their policy of silence, if not due to the pressure they were under? It's been known by the people who go to the meetings it would be February for a long time. I don't care what JK said how much of what he says is true anyway I think you're confusing meetings with fan representatives (stewarding, prices etc.) with broader communication (Club direction, transfer policy, who's running the club etc.). Llambias hasn't even been involved with the former has he? I think (assume) that's all Llambias is on about when he mentions the meetings with the fans. He hasn't been involved with those yet but he is in february from what I understand. Mort was included in the last lot though. I'll not count my chickens that he will just yet, but I was on about the latter. Would you Adam and Eve it? I hear Llambias has only gone and cancelled his promised appearance at the February get together. *SHOCK* *HORROR* Long live open dialogue and communication. mackems.gif What a f***ing joke. No surprise to see this post has been ignored though. I'll just keep bumping it to quieten the gullible. Didn't see it, but maybe he's busy and might reschedule ?

Neither did Zola though. Apparently Poyet pretty much managed while he was Wises assistant at Leeds with Wise playing more of a senior/DOF role for the most part. Yeah but at the same time I could say Adams, and Southgate had no experience either. I would prefer someone who has been there and done it and who will be happy to have a DOF so it basically has to be someone foreign but experienced ala Avram Grant.

Poyet has no experience of managing a club so should be one we avoid to be honest.

Granted some people have stayed away to protest against the "cockney mafia" thing. BUT it's really missing the point to blame a fall in attendance on that reason alone. Business everywhere is down and that includes football - it's more about the economic climate than anything else. Clubs with seemingly happy supporters have lost just as many, if not more, fans this season - look at what they did down the road recently. Niall Quinn is a great blarney merchant but thuth is what he dressed up as a grand gesture was nothing more than a panic move as he watches his attendances steadily decreasing. There are seven of us who have season tickets and have had them for a lot of years and were supporters before the ground went all-seat. 3 have said we will NOT renew as long as the current set up remains (Wise included). I am not saying this is reflected amongst all fans obviously, but when fans like this are turning their backs on the club it says nothing for the way the club is run. Loyalty is like an elastic band - stretch it too far and it will snap .......... To be honest I believe these would be the same fans who were not at the ground in the bad old days and who will return to the ground when we play well again. What goes around comes around. Wrong, some of these were people who were there when there was only 14,000 in the ground, pre Hall/Keegan and pre premiership. When you lose fans like these you are losing hardcore suporters. Then they surely must know things have been much worse than they are now ?? Of course things have been worse, that doesn't mean people have to be compliant and docile when things are going wrong now. I just couldn't think of giving up going to the games at the minute. It just isn't that bad yet and I can see things getting better.

Granted some people have stayed away to protest against the "cockney mafia" thing. BUT it's really missing the point to blame a fall in attendance on that reason alone. Business everywhere is down and that includes football - it's more about the economic climate than anything else. Clubs with seemingly happy supporters have lost just as many, if not more, fans this season - look at what they did down the road recently. Niall Quinn is a great blarney merchant but thuth is what he dressed up as a grand gesture was nothing more than a panic move as he watches his attendances steadily decreasing. There are seven of us who have season tickets and have had them for a lot of years and were supporters before the ground went all-seat. 3 have said we will NOT renew as long as the current set up remains (Wise included). I am not saying this is reflected amongst all fans obviously, but when fans like this are turning their backs on the club it says nothing for the way the club is run. Loyalty is like an elastic band - stretch it too far and it will snap .......... To be honest I believe these would be the same fans who were not at the ground in the bad old days and who will return to the ground when we play well again. What goes around comes around. Wrong, some of these were people who were there when there was only 14,000 in the ground, pre Hall/Keegan and pre premiership. When you lose fans like these you are losing hardcore suporters. Then they surely must know things have been much worse than they are now ??

George Graham would at least have our defence sorted and everyone playing as a unit. I'll get my coat.

Granted some people have stayed away to protest against the "cockney mafia" thing. BUT it's really missing the point to blame a fall in attendance on that reason alone. Business everywhere is down and that includes football - it's more about the economic climate than anything else. Clubs with seemingly happy supporters have lost just as many, if not more, fans this season - look at what they did down the road recently. Niall Quinn is a great blarney merchant but thuth is what he dressed up as a grand gesture was nothing more than a panic move as he watches his attendances steadily decreasing. There are seven of us who have season tickets and have had them for a lot of years and were supporters before the ground went all-seat. 3 have said we will NOT renew as long as the current set up remains (Wise included). I am not saying this is reflected amongst all fans obviously, but when fans like this are turning their backs on the club it says nothing for the way the club is run. Loyalty is like an elastic band - stretch it too far and it will snap .......... To be honest I believe these would be the same fans who were not at the ground in the bad old days and who will return to the ground when we play well again. What goes around comes around. I wasn't critising the fans there by the way just saying fans come and go that was al.