Greg

I tend to agree - and with this type of takeover the only way these people make money is for us to improve and be considerably better than we are now. That is of course no guarantee but it’s more ambitious than trying to finish 17th every season as cheaply as possible.

This. I'm convinced that the season of preparation in the championship, sticking to a certain game plan and focussing on organisation and shape was the foundation for the good first season back in the premier league although he in theory could have played more attacking and gotten more high scoring results with the squad that was at his disposal. Agreed.

He's 22 in a month. Look at players in other teams of similar age in similar positions (Tielemans, Ndiddi, McTominay, Mount, Winks, Ndombele, Guendouzi, Torreira, Cantwell - probably forgetting someone) and it's pretty clear he's not where he would want to nor should be. So far this season I think he's looked out of depth and I struggle to put all of that down to coaching. Still young so there's still time of course. Experience just as important as age - all of those bar Cantwell and Mount have played a lot of senior football at a high level compared to Longstaff and even then have more under their belt with full seasons in the Championship. Longstaff has played fewer than 20 games. He has struggled so far this term - but coming back from his first gserious injury and playing in an absolute shower of s*** with no shape, direction or tactics must be very difficult. He’s started 4 games in that mess.

Incident didn't happen in the ground but you know. Abuse your fellow fans all you like, really going to bring about regime change. You dont know what abuse or militant means. At least I'm not stupid enough to think an organisation raising concerns to a club, when members of said organisation ask the organisation to raise those concerns and issues -that they go ahead and do that on behalf of their members - their basic mandate and part of their fundamental function - is being in bed with Mike Ashley and supporting Sports Direct. About half of NUST members in the most recent survey stated they go to games, while your view is that nobody should go to games (I've given up going, been involved in more protests than I care to remember and will not give a penny to the club as long as Ashley is still there) that doesn't mean that those that do shouldn't be stood up for if things go wrong. You still don't appear to comprehend or understand what a supporters trust is. The trust may well come to a boycott position, and I would quite like that, but it would have to be what the members want and clearly a large numbers of members still go the match. We've got TMG, AO, EFA and all sorts pushing the boycott and more now and that's great. Division and arguments amongst the fan base appears to be your approach - attack those that still go to games - this will achieve nothing - these people need to educated not belittled. If you don't understand how you hurt the club and fellow fans by going to the match by now you never will. Most likely they majority of people still going understand that deep down but are too selfish to walk away for the greater good and deserve to get shamed and watch the awful football they are getting served at the moment. You should do the absolute bare minimum to retain status as a trust until there's new ownership, while promoting walking away internally as that is literally the only way Ashley will go. I will never join an organisation that has members that still attends matches. I suspect there's more people in the same boat. thats the crux of it. Anyone still going isn't on NUFC's side. 30,000+ still going - so of course a fair chunk of 10,000 members will still go and telling them constantly they are the problem and aren't on NUFCs side (even if you very much believe we need an empty stadium) isn't going to help change their minds. The only thing that rhetoric helps is the anger of the person dishing it out. Right now Steve Bruce being fucking useless dinosaur is doing more for dwindling attendance than anything!

Incident didn't happen in the ground but you know. Abuse your fellow fans all you like, really going to bring about regime change. You dont know what abuse or militant means. At least I'm not stupid enough to think an organisation raising concerns to a club, when members of said organisation ask the organisation to raise those concerns and issues -that they go ahead and do that on behalf of their members - their basic mandate and part of their fundamental function - is being in bed with Mike Ashley and supporting Sports Direct. About half of NUST members in the most recent survey stated they go to games, while your view is that nobody should go to games (I've given up going, been involved in more protests than I care to remember and will not give a penny to the club as long as Ashley is still there) that doesn't mean that those that do shouldn't be stood up for if things go wrong. You still don't appear to comprehend or understand what a supporters trust is. The trust may well come to a boycott position, and I would quite like that, but it would have to be what the members want and clearly a large numbers of members still go the match. We've got TMG, AO, EFA and all sorts pushing the boycott and more now and that's great. Division and arguments amongst the fan base appears to be your approach - attack those that still go to games - this will achieve nothing - these people need to educated not belittled. Is the trust doing anything to try and educate people to stop going? Not enough in my opinion. NUST has many issues and I certainly don't agree with its entire direction and I have concerns with a number of board members as well but these are not things I would be willing to air in public. The things that winds me up and gets me going through is the misconceptions of what a trust is, what it can and can't do and that raising concerns on certain issues to the club somehow means we all love Mike Ashley and adore Sports Direct. It's tired, lazy rhetoric. Often the machinations of people that want the trust to fail for no discernible reason. These people always exist mind - every single protest I've been involved (4 different groups/entities/movements) and then this - you always get a fair amount of abuse despite fighting for the best for your club in your spare time. People just love having a go. I'm not talking about on here when I say this - I mean more generally. We seem to have a fan base that enjoys arguing with each other more than coming together as one to fight Mike Ashley.

In the modern game I'm afraid it is a red 100%.

Incident didn't happen in the ground but you know. Abuse your fellow fans all you like, really going to bring about regime change. You dont know what abuse or militant means. At least I'm not stupid enough to think an organisation raising concerns to a club, when members of said organisation ask the organisation to raise those concerns and issues -that they go ahead and do that on behalf of their members - their basic mandate and part of their fundamental function - is being in bed with Mike Ashley and supporting Sports Direct. About half of NUST members in the most recent survey stated they go to games, while your view is that nobody should go to games (I've given up going, been involved in more protests than I care to remember and will not give a penny to the club as long as Ashley is still there) that doesn't mean that those that do shouldn't be stood up for if things go wrong. You still don't appear to comprehend or understand what a supporters trust is. The trust may well come to a boycott position, and I would quite like that, but it would have to be what the members want and clearly a large numbers of members still go the match. We've got TMG, AO, EFA and all sorts pushing the boycott and more now and that's great. Division and arguments amongst the fan base appears to be your approach - attack those that still go to games - this will achieve nothing - these people need to educated not belittled.

Incident didn't happen in the ground but you know. Abuse your fellow fans all you like, really going to bring about regime change.

Stiffy, you can be a bit daft at times but always felt your heat was in the right place but that is unquestionably absolute f***ing horse s****. I said from my perspective. Maybe saying as much as me is harsh, and saying in a similar manner is better? You have people on here that have spend thousands of hours of their free time fighting for the better of the club. People that have had season tickets for over 20 years. People that have been to over 200 or 300 away games, followed the club all over Europe and beyond. People that have been boycotting for years already. But none of it matters really, we all love our club. That's why we are here. And you come out with this? Sorry mate, it's self congratulatory bullshit. We're all hurting these days with the state of the club, there's just no need for super fan nonsense like that. We all (well the vast majority) on this board love the club and it is killing us how things are and to have to walk away. I have said that perhaps what I meant wasn’t what I said. Jesus, I have backed people and this place up for the work that they have done. Fact is at the time I needed someone to talk too and HTT was the only person I felt I could talk too which would understand. HTT aside I only have the numbers of you (which I got 2 days ago), and Yorkie. No disrespect to you or Yorkie but I don’t think I have that friendship with either of you in order to send what I said. Me saying I could only talk to someone to someone on here is not a slant at anything anyone on here done in the fight against Ashley. All it was, was me saying that I believe at the time my options to talk to someone was probably limited to one person. Okay - thanks for the clarification. I think you appear to have not articulated what you wanted to say or I misinterpreted it - it came across as you were saying you and HTT love the club more than anyone else on this forum. I hope you find your inner peace with whatever you do or decide to do re NUFC. I walked away in the summer in terms of going to the match, season ticket gone, bucket load of loyalty points gone. I miss some aspects of it but not the football. I watched the game today in the pub with a few friends, saddest thing is that it doesn't matter when we concede a goal, or get hammered. It doesn't hurt anymore. I don't get angry anymore.

Well written George, good piece.

Stiffy, you can be a bit daft at times but always felt your heat was in the right place but that is unquestionably absolute f***ing horse s****. I said from my perspective. Maybe saying as much as me is harsh, and saying in a similar manner is better? You have people on here that have spend thousands of hours of their free time fighting for the better of the club. People that have had season tickets for over 20 years. People that have been to over 200 or 300 away games, followed the club all over Europe and beyond. People that have been boycotting for years already. But none of it matters really, we all love our club. That's why we are here. And you come out with this? Sorry mate, it's self congratulatory bullshit. We're all hurting these days with the state of the club, there's just no need for super fan nonsense like that. We all (well the vast majority) on this board love the club and it is killing us how things are and to have to walk away.

He's probably realised he hasn't got a fucking chance and is waiting for the pay off to laugh all the way to the bank.

Stiffy, you can be a bit daft at times but always felt your heat was in the right place but that is unquestionably absolute fucking horse shite.

But why shouldn't we engage on the issues I've mentioned, sexism, racism, our fans being on the end of police brutality etc.? We can still be very much against the current ownership and working for regime change but still raise concerns and issues with the club about these types of issues.

That’s it for me. While putting the membership down to £1 and never once promoting ourselves as a protest group. As an organisation we will do more and achieve more with a bigger member base. What we're working on in the background is really exciting and is why we made a big drive for members (event at a quid). We've done a hell of a lot since the summer, but you won't see most of it yet. In most of what we do we can't do it with a running commentary in the public eye or else things will fail - this is how the world works - half baked ideas, plans, programmes - they fail. If you're not a protest group then how can you be planning anything exciting in the background? Obvs can't talk about it. This is how the world works fellas. "Give us your money so we can do what we can't tell you, and keep believing it will only ever happen if you don't know what's going to happen. I've alluded to it already.. All member organisations do things behind the scenes and then announce things once they are formulated and ready. We can't give a running commentary on things like this as it would undermine the whole thing. I guess this a system of modern society and wanting everything now... I've no doubt NUST needs to improve and changes to current board needed. I really hope Heron[/member] does stand for election and I will support him if he does, we've spoken at length about this over the last two days. But some of the stuff you read on twitter and from the minority on here is just hyperbolic nonsense based on hearsay and rumour.

That’s it for me. While putting the membership down to £1 and never once promoting ourselves as a protest group. As an organisation we will do more and achieve more with a bigger member base. What we're working on in the background is really exciting and is why we made a big drive for members (event at a quid). We've done a hell of a lot since the summer, but you won't see most of it yet. In most of what we do we can't do it with a running commentary in the public eye or else things will fail - this is how the world works - half baked ideas, plans, programmes - they fail. I can agree with this, as I remember asking a few questions in the summer which you took the time to answer really thoroughly. I was concerned the group wouldn't be 'militant' enough for my liking (for want of a better word). I didn't join at that point, instead I've waited to see what develops and if it's something I feel I can get behind. Currently I'm still at the waiting and watching stage, but it's hard to watch and see what develops if it's all behind closed doors. But again, I've learnt from yourself now that things are going on behind the scenes. This all makes sense. Almost all of what I've talked about us doing really is the bread and butter of any trust but there's some exciting things we're working on as well but need a bit more time. NUST isn't perfect - a lot of things need to improve and reducing the board down to 7 through these elections is just the start of that process. Your position makes perfect sense, if people were expecting instant change from giving an organisation £1 I am not sure what planet they are living. Some of the falsehoods and rhetoric we have to get around just to have a meaningful debate becomes tiresome, we're a group of people giving up a hell of a lot of spare time (and it's not just the board we have volunteers that have got in touch working on various things as well) and more often than not are met with unfounded nonsense. Like the lies that we all get free tickets and hospitality from the club - did you know all members of the so called NUFC fans forum get this mind? Free corporate hospitality - NUST representation on fans forum was one of only a few on it who turned this down. No wonder some of the fans forum are very cozy and don't ask any questions - we've been pushing for significant reform of the fans forum.

1) 100 percent false. Complete lies if you have been told this. 2) It's got nothing to do with the board and this is very normal in any similar organisation - you need to be nominaed by two members - there's nearly 10,000 out there - not by members of the board. Considering we are reducing the board down from 12 to 7 (for good reason) no it's not a sneaky way of keeping people in the board, there's no need for us to even have this many of the board up for re-election but given where we are we felt it was right that the majority of the board were up for election. Have you read the Election Policy? https://nufctrust.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/NUST-Election-Policy.pdf Greg can I ask you, without any malice, how many board members, like yourself, don't attend matches currently? 50% of the board don't attend anymore.

That’s it for me. While putting the membership down to £1 and never once promoting ourselves as a protest group. As an organisation we will do more and achieve more with a bigger member base. What we're working on in the background is really exciting and is why we made a big drive for members (event at a quid). We've done a hell of a lot since the summer, but you won't see most of it yet. In most of what we do we can't do it with a running commentary in the public eye or else things will fail - this is how the world works - half baked ideas, plans, programmes - they fail.

1) 100 percent false. Complete lies if you have been told this. 2) It's got nothing to do with the board and this is very normal in any similar organisation - you need to be nominaed by two members - there's nearly 10,000 out there - not by members of the board. Considering we are reducing the board down from 12 to 7 (for good reason) no it's not a sneaky way of keeping people in the board, there's no need for us to even have this many of the board up for re-election but given where we are we felt it was right that the majority of the board were up for election. Have you read the Election Policy? https://nufctrust.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/NUST-Election-Policy.pdf

So again, for the record, you don't think NUST should be standing up and raising concerns with the club for example in relation to racist abuse, sexist abuse, fans being pepper sprayed for no reason (which happened earlier this season), or on behalf of fans that were refused entry at Anfield the other week for no reason other than they were under the age of 16. These are the types of concerns NUST raises with the club. If you see a problem with this then god help you.

In all seriousness, I know exactly what NUST is doing and who it is speaking to at the club and what about I can assure you it is not doing what you say it is. It is not in bed with club.

Trying to engage with Ashley's club is, absolutely. Have you read and comprehended anything I've posted? Yes, do you think you are the oracle like?

Trying to engage with Ashley's club is, absolutely. Have you read and comprehended anything I've posted?

Thick as f***. You cannot debate and reason with people as fundamentally stupid as this.