Greg

I don't know what that's got to do with NUST. As has been said, and explained above - not a protest group so NUST itself wouldn't be promoting any of those things. It's also a stupid question, we (as people) are not fans of SD and Game and don't intend or have a great passion or desire for them to be better and achieve more and have a new owner to take them forward and run them properly. Bizarre question.

So, for the avoidance of doubt and those that either can't read or are ignorant and don't know what a supporters trust is.... NUST is is a democratic, formally established not-for-profit organisation of supporters. To be a supporter's trust it has to be committed to strengthening the voice for supporters in the decision-making process at a club and strengthening the links between the club and the community it serves. It cannot do that without dialogue with the club. As Rafa would say, fact. Supporters’ Trusts are constituted as Community Benefit Societies (CBS), a form of co-operative that operates under a one-member one-vote principle. CBSs are registered with the Financial Conduct Authority, and any changes to the rules must be approved by the members and only become effective once the FCA has agreed them, checking they are in keeping with the spirit of the organisation. The members own all assets and liabilities collectively. Under FCA rules the Trust must remain solvent if it is to continue to legally exist. Any profit made is either kept as reserves or reinvested to meet its objects. It will never take the form of a dividend to members. Because Supporters’ Trusts are grassroots organisations, clubs with a degree of community ownership have stronger relationships with the local residents, businesses and their local authorities than clubs without such fan involvement. Therefore the most successful trusts to date tend to be lower down the football pyramid, but NUST has to use its trust status positively and to try to work the club, foundation, City Council, the business community and local people – to the benefit of all. All Supporters’ Trusts have the aim of acquiring shares in their football club and to secure – by democratic election – supporters’ representatives on the board of directors for the benefit of the club, the supporters and the wider community. This is clearly not easy, bot long term plans are in place to try and do something in this regard and we continue to work with locals Members of Parliament as well as central government - Mims Davies the Minister at the Digital, Culture, Media & Sport and Office for Civil Society. There's loads of other wide stuff that NUST does with the FSA - some great campaigns we've been involved in such as the cap on away ticket prices and all sorts of other things. I would argue we are doing a lot more to safeguard the long term future of Newcastle United that you three. But keep on getting angry at NUST, I'm sure it helps.

Do NUST have dialogue with the club? Very limited. Currently mostly with Lucy Oliver about inclusion and diversity issues and some contact with Lee Marshall on a issue by issue basis - e.g. issues that occur at matches that need brought to the club’s attention. Good job doing the good work of keeping people at the matches. Ashley must be laughing when he hears about this. Doing the work for him. :lol: So all the work on inclusive and diversity should just be ignored? Harassment of women and racism amongst our fan base should be ignored? Travelling fans at away games being pepper sprayed for no reason shouldn't be challenged? Under 16s being refused entry to Anfield the other week should just be ignored? Think you are confusing NUST with a militant protest group. I don't see the reason for working with the club at anything at this point, no. I don't consider advising everyone that has an interest in NUFC to stop giving Ashley money as militant either. Maybe you should just change name to NUT so you're not confusing anyone. Then you are short sighted, and naive and cutting off your nose to spite your face. I'm not going anymore but 30,000+ still as well as a strong travelling support. There's arguable more of these people than there are of you. These people, while you can disagree with them going, don't deserve to be treat like s***, subject to sexist and racist abuse and other things. If we want to really achieve what we want long term, such as a fan ownership (even a percentage given the money involved these days), then dialogue with the club is a prerequisite - just ask those that have achieved it or are close to it e.g. those at Hearts. Your way seems to be to treat the club as entirely dead, and no way back at all even with a new owner. We need a now owner ASAP, we all know that, but its best that that happens in the Premier League (hello Sunderland). If the club completes dies, in all areas, it becomes far harder for a new owner to rebuild. Given your stance, I do wonder why you bother spending time on this message board?

Having dialogue with his club and expecting reasonable discussion. You get very reasonable discussion on points such as those I stated above. Below Lee Charnley there are some very good people working for NUFC, that do the best they can in very challenging circumstances and need their jobs to pay their mortgages and feed their children. Very well but this forum is about NUFC not individual circumstances and you have just pretty much admitted that anyone below Charnley has no influence so dialogue with the club is pointless. What does that first sentence even mean? I mean, we're not talking to lead on diversity about Mike Ashley's attempts to sell the club.

Having dialogue with his club and expecting reasonable discussion. You get very reasonable discussion on points such as those I stated above. Below Lee Charnley there are some very good people working for NUFC, that do the best they can in very challenging circumstances and need their jobs to pay their mortgages and feed their children.

Nobody is reasoning with Mike Ashley.

Do NUST have dialogue with the club? Very limited. Currently mostly with Lucy Oliver about inclusion and diversity issues and some contact with Lee Marshall on a issue by issue basis - e.g. issues that occur at matches that need brought to the club’s attention. Good job doing the good work of keeping people at the matches. Ashley must be laughing when he hears about this. Doing the work for him. :lol: So all the work on inclusive and diversity should just be ignored? Harassment of women and racism amongst our fan base should be ignored? Travelling fans at away games being pepper sprayed for no reason shouldn't be challenged? Under 16s being refused entry to Anfield the other week should just be ignored? Think you are confusing NUST with a militant protest group.

Sabri Lamouchi.

Do NUST have dialogue with the club? Very limited. Currently mostly with Lucy Oliver about inclusion and diversity issues and some contact with Lee Marshall on a issue by issue basis - e.g. issues that occur at matches that need brought to the club’s attention.

I am sure Stiffy is reporting what he was told, but what he was told is simply not true I'm afraid.

I'm afraid this is 100 percent fabricated by Stiffy or whoever gave him this info.

There's another.

It's not incredible, when I suggested that he was targeted only because he was a Geordie there was resistance to that idea even on here. But what other reason would Ashley have actually paid good money to bring him here? He's 'one of our own' just like big Andy Carroll. Did you hear the fans singing that yesterday? Ashley played us all for mugs after binning Rafa, and it worked. I think they got him because he was the only one prepared to accept it. That he had a local connection, we just a lucky added bonus. There are any amount of lower league managers who would take the job and a lot of them would be better. Eddie Howe and Graham Potter were scouted and hired by relatively small clubs who couldn't afford the big names. Why would you pay £4m to bring Steve Bruce here? His reputation was shot ages ago. I don't believe the 11th choice rumours either. Howe was a player coach at Bournemouth and then returned as a youth coach before becoming manager, not really scouted. For every Howe and Potter there are many more failures, it's not easy to pick someone up like this at the early stages.

Maguire really should score there.

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Typing too fast!

Not even going to edit it now.

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My time in Spain has been limited to 2 nights in Barcelona to see Shola score in the Nou Camp and Dyer do an impression of a tea pot on the post. Found a really interesting article about this packet of sweets, clearly seen as unacceptable by those in the UK, USA etc. but not really in Spanish culture. https://escholarship.org/content/qt8wq5s5tv/qt8wq5s5tv.pdf?t=nkg5oy&nosplash=7f6b9469bba6f7b20680cef253712e79

And lovely intervention from me getting too far down a hole I should never have gone down.

He's shit and a liability. He has a very nice right foot, but doesn't know how best to use it and has little else to his game. Sadly we are probably stuck with him until the end of his contact, he loves loving in the north east and nobody would be stupid enough to pay him what we do.

That one I am not sure about but I agree entirely in general. I think it would be correct to call Lee Ryder at tautologist, as there is no doubt he is a person that practices tautology.

Been reading about this over the last hour, not spent enough time there myself or read about this enough really. This type of thing seems very common with defensive positions adopted about racial attitudes in Spain, both in the media and in from marketing executives and government advisers. Very different to how things are seen here.

] Helps that he has half an hour on the ball and not one Man United player thinks of closing him down etc.

I agree, and I am being a dick and pedant but if attacking someone for not being able to write you need to get your spelling correct. Then again, this is an internet message board not a published newspaper so it really doesn't fucking matter. Ryder is a joke man, the only thing I will defend him for these days is when he is reporting news from the club and people claiming he has made it up. This is because I know for a fact he gets all his info spoon fed by the club, although of course quite often that will be deliberate lies the club want published in the local media.