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When and how would that money be given to us? I'm assuming there would be some type of lump sum followed by several smaller payments over the course of the season but I've got absolutely no idea.

No-one's going to be forced to buy it though. It's the same with any shirt of any club or country - don't want the latest one? Don't buy it. If you like it then buy it.

Wenger's fireproof imo. No way will he be hounded out.

Don't think we can call Sunderland's window just yet. Lot's of 'gambles' which may come off or they might struggle to adapt. Rumours are that the Angeleri bloke might be an absolut plank and Bruce daren't play him for example. Onouha's an excellent loan deal......Gyan might be good.....they'll miss Jones....Cattermole will miss Cana.....Campbell's out for most of the season.....will Riveros adapt.......can Bramble last the season.......can Mensah stay fit..... Their season is up in the air imo.

Has VdV even had a medical for this transfer? Not that he needs to have one but if he's been peddled from Madrid because he's carrying something?? It would also explain why they initiated it with only a couple of hours to go without time to have a medical...

All I’m saying is the club should come clean. Not open the books up to all and sundry, just provide a broad outline of where we are now and we’re the club is heading. They don’t have to release figures, a clear and unambiguous summary would do. No-one would believe them without the evidence of the accounts anyway. Completely pointless exercise. Wait for the accounts and see what's what imo.

Miss a bus by a minute? Tough shit you should have left earlier Miss a deadline for handing an assignment? Tough shit you should have left earlier Miss paying some money into the bank to pay a bill? Tough shit, put up with the consequences Miss a deadline for signing a player? That's absolutely fine, you can complete it in your own time. Not annoyed at Spurs in particular, they know the FA are weak as piss and will just do the paperwork anyway. It's the FA who need a kick up the hoop.

Why not? Let's just tell the FA the deal's not completed yet and we need more time to get it done. They've got to let us...

Yeah, fuck the rules. Let's all just gan mad and do what the fuck we want. I fancy a new telly, what do you mean I've got to pay for it? I'll just smash the window and take it. Fuck these new 'paying' rules. I don't fancy paying my gas bill this month, they can fuck off - new rules. Honestly, man

But how do you know whether a deal was on the table? Anyone could say anything about what was or wasn't agreed... the only certain thing is whether it was completed and submitted in time for the transfer deadline. It lasts for weeks FFS, there should be no excuses for failing to complete in time. Everyone knows the position. As Bluestar's already said, Spurs played the brinksmanship to the limit and waited until yesterday afternoon to do business. I'd wager Madrid hawked him around for a knock-down fee because they wanted him sold and were prepared to make a big loss on him. They waited and waited and got a good player for a small fee but didn't leave enough time to get it completed. The deal's either done or it's not. Spurs, or any other club, can't turn around and say ''well it's not done but it's nearly done, so can we sign him anyway?" The answer should be 'no, you shouldn't have waited so long to get the deal started. It's not complete so he can't be registered.' They won't though and it's not right imo.

Agree. The dealine is the deadline. The FA made it 6 pm on the 31st August and if the paperwork wasn't done, for whatever reason, then the transfer shouldn't happen. It will though.

Does anyone seriously expect them NOT to get him signed? They shouldn't but they will. The FA are weak as piss with the bigger teams and they'll cave in.

Agreed. At the time, he was tbh.

He's looks naturally massive, he's got the physique of a heavyweight boxer. Is there an echo in here?

He didn't look to be carrying much weight tonight, if any. I saw him a couple of weeks ago though. I dare say he's back to his 'fighting weight' now.

He's a fucking big unit. Went to the open day and Campbell was doing one of the drills and turned his back to me - it was like a door closing. Carrying a bit of weight perhaps but the bloke could be a heavyweight champion, he's moohassive.

I think Hodgson's done reasonably well considering. Obviously getting Cole and Jovanovic for nothing has helped the squad. Poulsen's a shrewd buy too. Still hope they crash and burn spectacularly though.

It's canny. Nowt flash but enough to keep us up with a bit of room to spare. Need to keep Carroll wrapped in cotton wool though or we'll find goals (and therefore wins) hard to come by.

Guaranteed survival? Ermmmm, yes please. Not to say we shouldn't be hoping for higher/better mind. As Dave's said, the bottom 12 teams in the league range from ordinary to dogshit. No reason why we can't have a good season and finish something daft like 11th. I'd take 17th and survival - just for this first season though.

Julian Dicks mk II

On paper it's our easiest game of the season so we'll probably win 1-0. We should look to put these cunts to the sword and score a few but I'd take any sort of win.

George Graham had to be in with a shout. My mackem brother-in-law phoned me to say 'big Joe's got your fucking job' and I instantly though he meant Joe Royle, that would have been bad enough but Joe Kinnear man. I'll never forget the belly-laugh he let out when he told me it was indeed Kinnear.

Gyan looks nailed on for them. For £12m...... That's an awful lot of eggs in a couple of baskets. It could go pear-shaped very quickly with just 2 bad tackles on Bent and Gyan.

All that said, if he's carrying a knock then he shouldn't be going anywhere or playing for anyone. Pull the fucker out like Chelsea, Man U et al do.