madras

the journal is reporting it will be a loan deal with a view to a permanent transfer.

http://www.violanews.com/news.asp?idnew=30316 The tiny bit at the bottom. It translates to "For Donadel the offer of the Newcastle arrived, 4 million euro: the Florentine one said ok but the gambler for now hesitates." written by nostradamus. is the florentine one the player or the club and is the gambler the player or nufc ?

however on reading the whole thread, this has made me feel a lot better over on our forums evrytime summit bad happens eg. sellin chimbonda, evry1 thinks its the end of the known universe if i go wif my head we wil get beat if i go with my heart we wil win and chops wil get the winner i think the best way for both sets of fans to go is with their livers.

or more likely either of........... a) they wanted more than we could offer b) they wanted more than we thought he was worth c) he didn't want to move here. I don't know like, didn't people say at the time that Everton had offered £8 million the season before and it seemed silly to even bother offerin £5 million? Now the offer starts to make sense £5mill may just have been an opening bid and the smokescreen arguement in transfers always seems silly,

or more likely either of........... a) they wanted more than we could offer b) they wanted more than we thought he was worth c) he didn't want to move here.

I haven't looked at it. By the way, I've responded to some of your previous posts directed at me, and predictably you have joined the list of those who are unable to reply and prove me wrong, when you would love to if you could. Are you someone else that insisted we would be better off without the fat b****** [for anybody] ? Which questions have you asked me, sorry if I missed them but your perpetual arse kissing of Freddy Shepherd sends me to sleep. Which fat b****** are you on about, Shepherd or Ashley? well, we are certainly not better off since the last ownership change are we, but I thought that soopa Mike was going to be the saviour to end all those embarrassing days of qualifying regularly for europe ? We are financially more stable than we were under Freddy "Lets hoy some more cash at the problem and hope we get somewhere" Shepherd. You should know that from your sneaky peaking at the financial report thread. We will have to see where we are come May to decide how bad Ashley has been. If we finish 13th or so you could say we are on a par with Fat Fred couldn't you? Well you wouldn't cos obviously you are blinkered. While Mike Ashley is not the man to take the club forward, Freddy Shepherd certainly wasn't either. But at least Ashley isn't taking money out of the club to line his own pocket, unlike Fat Freddy. I haven't looked at the thread, because I know it will be full of people like you slating the old board for anything you can think of, such is your cluelessness. You and people like you were told for ages by myself and one or two others that getting rid of the old board wouldn't necessarily lead to more success and a better club, you were wrong. You are being told again that Ashley is taking the club downwards and downwards, his policy is wrong, you are disputing it, but you are wrong again. if that is the case then so is this thread so why post here and not there ? so then...at what point would you stop lending off the banks ? would you wait for them to want their money back ? is the answer you are looking for in the example of how Bob Murray ran the mackems ? He understood finance, after all and how to stop the club going bust ? Therefore, those mackems must have had a great 20 years. I'm sure our new direction will see us competing for some silverware soon ie the 2nd division trophy again. Glorious stuff. Soopa mike might also get the crowds back, at least until we are promoted and he stops competing again. Wait a moment, do you think the plan is to get relegated, then get promoted and go into debt again, or sit in the bottom half of the league with nice accounts, and 25,000 crowds. I'm asking, I don't know. I would hope he would aim for success, after all, thats what football is about. Isn't it ? the mackems outspent us for a good few of the reid years and why would they be a good example of how to run a club (they bought a load of shit and had a scouting system and youth system that was worse than ours). ashleys plan of sustainablity would probably have worked better if the club wasn't in the mess it was when he took over but it's a better plan than "borrow millions to slide down the league". you'll not find many who don't think we'd have been (on the pitch) in a similar position had fred have stayed. are you saying "you don't know" to the question of wether you would just keep borrowing millions year on year and not really being in a position to pay it back ?

thats all we need.......signing an arsonist

Who? Villa? No West Ham who;ve just found £7.5m for 19 year old Brescia striker Savio Nsereko. Surely West Ham are in worse financial straits than NUFC, and if £7.5m is the going rate for promising young talent Dennis must be shopping at Netto? is that the west ham who've just sold a forward for £14million ?

I haven't looked at it. By the way, I've responded to some of your previous posts directed at me, and predictably you have joined the list of those who are unable to reply and prove me wrong, when you would love to if you could. Are you someone else that insisted we would be better off without the fat b****** [for anybody] ? Which questions have you asked me, sorry if I missed them but your perpetual arse kissing of Freddy Shepherd sends me to sleep. Which fat b****** are you on about, Shepherd or Ashley? well, we are certainly not better off since the last ownership change are we, but I thought that soopa Mike was going to be the saviour to end all those embarrassing days of qualifying regularly for europe ? We are financially more stable than we were under Freddy "Lets hoy some more cash at the problem and hope we get somewhere" Shepherd. You should know that from your sneaky peaking at the financial report thread. We will have to see where we are come May to decide how bad Ashley has been. If we finish 13th or so you could say we are on a par with Fat Fred couldn't you? Well you wouldn't cos obviously you are blinkered. While Mike Ashley is not the man to take the club forward, Freddy Shepherd certainly wasn't either. But at least Ashley isn't taking money out of the club to line his own pocket, unlike Fat Freddy. I haven't looked at the thread, because I know it will be full of people like you slating the old board for anything you can think of, such is your cluelessness. You and people like you were told for ages by myself and one or two others that getting rid of the old board wouldn't necessarily lead to more success and a better club, you were wrong. You are being told again that Ashley is taking the club downwards and downwards, his policy is wrong, you are disputing it, but you are wrong again. if that is the case then so is this thread so why post here and not there ? so then...at what point would you stop lending off the banks ? would you wait for them to want their money back ?

you know he's telling fibs. he just can't justify his undying support for someone who's been shown to have been dragging the club down into a deep dark abyss. i'll be very surprised if he actually gives in and posts in that thread tbh I'll save you the bother of speculating. I've said why I've no intention of reading it, which should in all honesty suit those who say I spoil every thread by debating about the old board and why the new one pales in comparison. How long do you think it will be until someone, anyone, including Mike Ashley, matches those european qualifications that the s**** board did ? probably as long as it'll take someone to run up 100mill of debt to finish lower than halfway more than half the time in the last decade while taking about a million out each yearaswell. so then.....would you keep on running up debts year on year until the banks say "no...can we have it back please" ?

i can only assume those voting prem 96/97 have got their years moxed up.

are you sure it happened ? Am I sure what happened? exactly

are you sure it happened ?

can't be m'bia as everyone on here knows he would cost twice what we offered and he wouldn't come anyway.......... ..........and then he was shit.

johnson is a very good player.....when he plays. right now i'd take cash instead to use on someone who will play till the end of the season (not guaranteed i know) johnson is a risk too far at the moment.

i agree with a good bit of what kitman says. we need to invest in the squad to save ourselves right now but we also need to look at what got us here. i understand what ashley is trying to do and it is necessary. we can't borrow for ever to chase dreams, we need to develop more of our own talent (has any top flight club developed less high quality talent than us ?....only the mackems i can think of!!).

hopefully in richard money and his team we have the right coaches and hopefully we are also picking up a better quality of young player

i went to school with him

don't worry. no doubt some 16year old will be on any minute to tell us he watches all brazillian games and fabio is either the best ever or is utter shit.

Probably because he sees exactly what Shay sees. Oh come on we are not that bad, don't be mellow dramatic. We have the players to survive. But as is always with this board, its not a case of is the glass Half full or Empty, we've not even got a f***ing glass man. Most games are ticked off as loses, with people just piling more misery on if we lose. In every league season there are surprise results, Pompey 3-0 anyone? For all we know we could nick 6 points this week in two scrappy 1-0's, but we could also lose 4-0 in both and come out with 0 points. So why bother being all doom and gloom, why not try supporting the team? I've seen worse XI's than this do better, so there is no real reason to be getting suicidal. Even if we go down, at least we have a Football club, look at Leeds losing to Histon in the cup, seen more players come and go than you can remember, they might as well print shirt names on velcro. I think the fact that Harper hasn't signed the new contract by now is hugely significant considering Shay has virtually asked to leave. I like harper, but he's been happy to play back-up to Shay for years and if he decides to leave just when it looks like he's going to get his chance, then you have to seriously question his ambition and self belief. not if he goes to a prem club as first choice. I'm sure he's had plenty of chances to sign for Prem clubs in the past 10 years and he hasn't taken them. quite probably but if he moves to another prem club as first choice it hardly questions his ambition etc

Bobby Robson looked at both Balde and Boumsong as possible replacements for Woodgate. Indeed, Robson told Shepherd Boumsong wasn't worth it on a free, then Souness convinced Shepherd he was worth £8m. You couldn't make it up so he is saying that the chairman of the club should act on the advice of an ex manager rather than the current one, and you are agreeing with him ? haha, you couldn't make it up. I don't expect to see you accusing the chairman of the club interfering in transfers in future, having now said you think he should I think the point is more that you back the right manager. Or "Top Boss" if you prefer oh well, I don't think the club, or any club, deliberately appoint a manager they think will do a poor job. You've still got your unrealistic hat on today haven't you Most people who ask you a question on here must wear that unrealistic hat. Have you been in the finances thread yet? nope. Haven't read it. I'm sure it will be full of people obsessed with finding fault with Shepherd and telling us how you can be successful in football by spending nothing and not running up debts, just like manU, Arsenal and Liverpool do. again...for the nth time.....they make operating profits which mean debt is a viable way of financing. we don't. you know this but like the "more times in europe" stuff you use it to give an overview of their time as a whole instead of where we were and where we were going at the time they left. i'll ask again.....at which point do you think it is dodgy to keep on adding to the debts ? we have to borrow now, don't we ? To get away from the bottom of the league, and if we don't, then its "wasted" money ? Do you think we should carry on with what we have and hope to get clear, and carry on further for the next few years ? What do they do when the gates and revenue go down as a result of struggling ? How can you give such guarantees in football the likes of which you are looking for ? Competing at the top is all about investmen in players, its continuous investment, all the time. Don't you see this ? Do you think if Shepherd was chairman we would be sitting back and doing nothing ? They would be attempting to get away and quite right too. so....do you think we should just keep on racking up debt year on year ? (you see, i think thats what has got us to the position we are in) give me a straight answer, a "yes or no" if you will and i'll answer all your questions. it's been all one way so far.

Bobby Robson looked at both Balde and Boumsong as possible replacements for Woodgate. Indeed, Robson told Shepherd Boumsong wasn't worth it on a free, then Souness convinced Shepherd he was worth £8m. You couldn't make it up so he is saying that the chairman of the club should act on the advice of an ex manager rather than the current one, and you are agreeing with him ? haha, you couldn't make it up. I don't expect to see you accusing the chairman of the club interfering in transfers in future, having now said you think he should I think the point is more that you back the right manager. Or "Top Boss" if you prefer oh well, I don't think the club, or any club, deliberately appoint a manager they think will do a poor job. You've still got your unrealistic hat on today haven't you Most people who ask you a question on here must wear that unrealistic hat. Have you been in the finances thread yet? nope. Haven't read it. I'm sure it will be full of people obsessed with finding fault with Shepherd and telling us how you can be successful in football by spending nothing and not running up debts, just like manU, Arsenal and Liverpool do. again...for the nth time.....they make operating profits which mean debt is a viable way of financing. we don't. you know this but like the "more times in europe" stuff you use it to give an overview of their time as a whole instead of where we were and where we were going at the time they left. i'll ask again.....at which point do you think it is dodgy to keep on adding to the debts ?

http://www.rtvoost.nl/sport/?nid=92643 I can't work out whether that's in a different language or just something madras typed after a few beers. capitals in there man.......capitals ! (it's dutch innit ?)

Probably because he sees exactly what Shay sees. Oh come on we are not that bad, don't be mellow dramatic. We have the players to survive. But as is always with this board, its not a case of is the glass Half full or Empty, we've not even got a f***ing glass man. Most games are ticked off as loses, with people just piling more misery on if we lose. In every league season there are surprise results, Pompey 3-0 anyone? For all we know we could nick 6 points this week in two scrappy 1-0's, but we could also lose 4-0 in both and come out with 0 points. So why bother being all doom and gloom, why not try supporting the team? I've seen worse XI's than this do better, so there is no real reason to be getting suicidal. Even if we go down, at least we have a Football club, look at Leeds losing to Histon in the cup, seen more players come and go than you can remember, they might as well print shirt names on velcro. I think the fact that Harper hasn't signed the new contract by now is hugely significant considering Shay has virtually asked to leave. I like harper, but he's been happy to play back-up to Shay for years and if he decides to leave just when it looks like he's going to get his chance, then you have to seriously question his ambition and self belief. not if he goes to a prem club as first choice.

Why didn't he say that then? He preferred to lie to the fans, claim that Keegan (who he hired remember) could have any player he wanted, claim he was here to have fun and claim that the players the club were going to go after were players for the first team with Premiership and Champions League experience. I also have seen no signs of improvement in the squad in four transfer windows. I know I'm cherry picking, but do you not think the back four has improved in terms of personnel? Average number of goals conceded per game over the last five seasons. 04/05 > 1.5 05/06 > 1.1 06/07 > 1.2 07/08 > 1.7 08/09 > 1.7 all down to the defence........i've been screaming for years that our midfield neither creates or defends and good teams attack and defend as a team. the personnel we have in the back 4 now i'd take over those we had when we finished 3rd.