madras

my guess he and his club are sitting tight on a few bids waiting to see up anyone ups the anti before the deadline (same goes for a fair few players round europe). IMO things are only just starting to maove on the transfer front......will we be much involved ?

I put Spurs slightly ahead of Pompey now. I agree, Spurs are doing very well, I just think traditional "big" clubs like Newcastle, Villa and Everton seem to be stood around doing bugger all, sneering at Redknapp, whilst he puts together a pretty impressive set up. Mmmmmmm not sure about spurs. there main problem for the last few years has been lack of strength,physically,defensivly and i don't see that being remidied. i can see sours going 4-2-3-1 next season but i have no idea who their vital "2" will be. Today they've bought - or practically bought - two excellent midfielders. What's to say they won't buy two excellent defenders and a DM in the 6 weeks between now and the end of the transfer window. suppose we'll see.

I put Spurs slightly ahead of Pompey now. I agree, Spurs are doing very well, I just think traditional "big" clubs like Newcastle, Villa and Everton seem to be stood around doing bugger all, sneering at Redknapp, whilst he puts together a pretty impressive set up. Mmmmmmm not sure about spurs. there main problem for the last few years has been lack of strength,physically,defensivly and i don't see that being remidied. i can see sours going 4-2-3-1 next season but i have no idea who their vital "2" will be.

hertha are 8-1 up from the first leg so don't expect them to be in for a tiring game on thursday. then they are travelling to mallorca. the late travelling will be more tiring than the match for them. just hope to see some sharpness and the plauers looking confident more than a win.

you can put a multiples bet on at betfair where you can have man utd or chelsea, then birmingham or QPR etc. ANYONE TEMPTED BUT AINT SIGNED UP YET YOU CAN PM ME FOR MY REFER AND PAY CODE. (i'll post up winnings if someone wants an example)

Just imagining for a second that you're not taking the piss, where's that from? be good to pay them in cash......mostly euro's then sterling then 500,000 aussie dollars

link? couldnt find it http://www.deportivo-la-coruna.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1717&page=75 post no.1112. my reading of the agents newest quotes is that he is basically saying..."depor have the choice of making cash on him now or have an unhappy player for a season who'll leave on a webster next summer unless depor can match the wages NUFC offered" that's how i read the whole thing madras, threaten the s*** out of them, hopefully it'll work it's not even a threat,it's just the agent telling the press the actual situation. well yeah, but it's a threat as well isn't it? if you don't do this we'll do that as a direct result - is that not a threat aye i suppose. that'll be why he's went public.

link? couldnt find it http://www.deportivo-la-coruna.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1717&page=75 post no.1112. my reading of the agents newest quotes is that he is basically saying..."depor have the choice of making cash on him now or have an unhappy player for a season who'll leave on a webster next summer unless depor can match the wages NUFC offered" that's how i read the whole thing madras, threaten the s*** out of them, hopefully it'll work it's not even a threat,it's just the agent telling the press the actual situation.

link? couldnt find it http://www.deportivo-la-coruna.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1717&page=75 post no.1112. my reading of the agents newest quotes is that he is basically saying..."depor have the choice of making cash on him now or have an unhappy player for a season who'll leave on a webster next summer unless depor can match the wages NUFC offered"

the depor president didn't go to venezuela,he stayed in spain according to that depor forum.

Serious question and don't get me wrong, this is not at all to say I would have been happier if we would have paid 8 or 10 million for Gutierrez, but have you considered we may have targeted Jonas BECAUSE we could attract him on a bargain, rather than despite this fact? Personally I can imagine the club looking at the Webster ruling and sounding out potential targets who were eligible to move due to this new regulation, which is good business sense of course if (and only if) the player is of the required quality and deserves to be applauded if (and only if) it means the money available for transfers goes towards other (squad and first team) signings we desperately need. Ultimately it is about making the money available go as far as you can, and to that effect there is nothing wrong with a bargain or two, but the real question here is whether enough money has been/is being made available to strengthen the squad to the level required to realise the club's ambitions. If you're suggesting we were tapping them up before they handed their notice in I hope you're wrong. There are pretty serious consequences for that kind of thing in this situation, and I'm not talking about a couple of million quid donation to a charity. I wouldn't want us to be the ones to test the water. I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be that stupid. Agree with the rest of it. If there's money left over because we've bought some bargains, then there's no reason why we have to wait a season to see if these bargains come good when we could additionally bring in a new quality striker for example and hopefully speed up the process of getting back up the table. Within reason of course, I'm not a fan of making too many changes to a squad at a time, and they'd have to be a player Keegan wants too, I'm not at all suggesting buying for buying's sake. UV i thought about posting this yesterday but never did - you've reminded me: ashley is renowned for upsetting the applecart in the business world right? doesn't mind pissing off the blue chips if he ends up successful; i just seriously hope he hasn't seen a niche in the game here, a way to pick good players up on the cheap by getting them to invoke the webster ruling all legal issues aside we'll be hated, utterly HATED throughout the game & people would simply not do business with us that is not something we want to become seems unlikely as we could have done it with coloccini but according to the agent we've met the demands of the depor chairman who then moves the goalposts again (as he did with luque) eh? thought coloccini was threatening to invoke that rule at the end of this coming season if they stop him moving NOW for the fee agreed as people have pointed out the ruling only applies within 15 days of the end of the season past, therefore that would add up so we'd need to wait another season to get him if we were doing that when we need him now see? what i mean is if its true we've been in discussions with the club and agent for 3 month you'd have thought he would have invoked the webster rule within the proper timeframe oh yeah i see - but i thought it was to do with the length of contract from when it was signed, no? is it just above a certain age? in that case you're right yeah i don't know how long his contract has ran or how old he'd have to be,so you may be right. pretty sure if he signed for us next year on a webster it'd be easy to prove us in breach.......and i'd rather have someone before sept 1st. 2008

Serious question and don't get me wrong, this is not at all to say I would have been happier if we would have paid 8 or 10 million for Gutierrez, but have you considered we may have targeted Jonas BECAUSE we could attract him on a bargain, rather than despite this fact? Personally I can imagine the club looking at the Webster ruling and sounding out potential targets who were eligible to move due to this new regulation, which is good business sense of course if (and only if) the player is of the required quality and deserves to be applauded if (and only if) it means the money available for transfers goes towards other (squad and first team) signings we desperately need. Ultimately it is about making the money available go as far as you can, and to that effect there is nothing wrong with a bargain or two, but the real question here is whether enough money has been/is being made available to strengthen the squad to the level required to realise the club's ambitions. If you're suggesting we were tapping them up before they handed their notice in I hope you're wrong. There are pretty serious consequences for that kind of thing in this situation, and I'm not talking about a couple of million quid donation to a charity. I wouldn't want us to be the ones to test the water. I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be that stupid. Agree with the rest of it. If there's money left over because we've bought some bargains, then there's no reason why we have to wait a season to see if these bargains come good when we could additionally bring in a new quality striker for example and hopefully speed up the process of getting back up the table. Within reason of course, I'm not a fan of making too many changes to a squad at a time, and they'd have to be a player Keegan wants too, I'm not at all suggesting buying for buying's sake. UV i thought about posting this yesterday but never did - you've reminded me: ashley is renowned for upsetting the applecart in the business world right? doesn't mind pissing off the blue chips if he ends up successful; i just seriously hope he hasn't seen a niche in the game here, a way to pick good players up on the cheap by getting them to invoke the webster ruling all legal issues aside we'll be hated, utterly HATED throughout the game & people would simply not do business with us that is not something we want to become seems unlikely as we could have done it with coloccini but according to the agent we've met the demands of the depor chairman who then moves the goalposts again (as he did with luque) eh? thought coloccini was threatening to invoke that rule at the end of this coming season if they stop him moving NOW for the fee agreed as people have pointed out the ruling only applies within 15 days of the end of the season past, therefore that would add up so we'd need to wait another season to get him if we were doing that when we need him now see? what i mean is if its true we've been in discussions with the club and agent for 3 month you'd have thought he would have invoked the webster rule within the proper timeframe

not really,we just got 5th(on goal difference from villa iirc) and the difference between our play that season and the previous one was massive drop.

Serious question and don't get me wrong, this is not at all to say I would have been happier if we would have paid 8 or 10 million for Gutierrez, but have you considered we may have targeted Jonas BECAUSE we could attract him on a bargain, rather than despite this fact? Personally I can imagine the club looking at the Webster ruling and sounding out potential targets who were eligible to move due to this new regulation, which is good business sense of course if (and only if) the player is of the required quality and deserves to be applauded if (and only if) it means the money available for transfers goes towards other (squad and first team) signings we desperately need. Ultimately it is about making the money available go as far as you can, and to that effect there is nothing wrong with a bargain or two, but the real question here is whether enough money has been/is being made available to strengthen the squad to the level required to realise the club's ambitions. If you're suggesting we were tapping them up before they handed their notice in I hope you're wrong. There are pretty serious consequences for that kind of thing in this situation, and I'm not talking about a couple of million quid donation to a charity. I wouldn't want us to be the ones to test the water. I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be that stupid. Agree with the rest of it. If there's money left over because we've bought some bargains, then there's no reason why we have to wait a season to see if these bargains come good when we could additionally bring in a new quality striker for example and hopefully speed up the process of getting back up the table. Within reason of course, I'm not a fan of making too many changes to a squad at a time, and they'd have to be a player Keegan wants too, I'm not at all suggesting buying for buying's sake. UV i thought about posting this yesterday but never did - you've reminded me: ashley is renowned for upsetting the applecart in the business world right? doesn't mind pissing off the blue chips if he ends up successful; i just seriously hope he hasn't seen a niche in the game here, a way to pick good players up on the cheap by getting them to invoke the webster ruling all legal issues aside we'll be hated, utterly HATED throughout the game & people would simply not do business with us that is not something we want to become seems unlikely as we could have done it with coloccini but according to the agent we've met the demands of the depor chairman who then moves the goalposts again (as he did with luque)

If Gutierrez is any good (I have no idea), then he will probably be a good value signing (we have no idea how much of a signing on bonus we're giving him, or the wages he's on so how can we really judge). Ditto Guthrie. Two swallows though... We aren't the only club looking for good deals, and wont be the only club to pick up a couple of cheap players who turn out to be bargains (whisper it, but we've done it in the past too!). Other clubs will be doing that AS WELL AS spending transfer fees and wages on players with established and proven ability. Honest question to you or anyone else - do you think Gutierrez and/or Guthrie were signed instead of Modric? I ask because we've gone from being willing to spend £18m on an attacking midfielder (so obviously we thought the position needed filling) to our most important positions now being 2 fullbacks (I would assume cover for Beye but maybe more experienced competition for Enrique). UV i've asked that question a hundred different ways on here and there'll be answer - if the modric bid was real then as you say the position had to be a priority and one we were willing to pay top dollar for what happened? i have to 2nd that, as I have also commented on the fact that all we have done is end up with cheaper replacments, and got flak for it from some of those who usually agree with Dave [or disagree with me]. Where are they ? Mentioning no names like. i see...so because we fail to get a specific player for a position we have to get another straight away ?

If Gutierrez is any good (I have no idea), then he will probably be a good value signing (we have no idea how much of a signing on bonus we're giving him, or the wages he's on so how can we really judge). Ditto Guthrie. Two swallows though... We aren't the only club looking for good deals, and wont be the only club to pick up a couple of cheap players who turn out to be bargains (whisper it, but we've done it in the past too!). Other clubs will be doing that AS WELL AS spending transfer fees and wages on players with established and proven ability. Honest question to you or anyone else - do you think Gutierrez and/or Guthrie were signed instead of Modric? I ask because we've gone from being willing to spend £18m on an attacking midfielder (so obviously we thought the position needed filling) to our most important positions now being 2 fullbacks (I would assume cover for Beye but maybe more experienced competition for Enrique). UV i've asked that question a hundred different ways on here and there'll be answer - if the modric bid was real then as you say the position had to be a priority and one we were willing to pay top dollar for what happened? maybe they still want someone for that position ,just they haven't informed you about it yet ? well, if thats the case, whats the point of buying him in the first place ? eh ? we didn't buy modric so we may still want someone for that position...just they haven't informed uv as to who or if....you been on the sauce tonight ne5 ?

i'm keeping him away from other threads...it's a bloody public service what i'm doing

In 06-07 only two clubs spent more than us and we finished 13th. It's good this game. see my next post dave and try to take it in - it's not about whether we spend MORE than these clubs, it's about whether we spend what we need to spend to at least keep up with them, in fact lets change that to CATCH them first then we'll have to start thinking about keeping up with them the period you refer to is universally accepted as one of turmoil and s*** managers so the point is moot in my eyes anyway if you think, what, 12m net spend so far under ashley is OK then so be it check soccer base 1997-98...net spend £5,700,000 Finished 13th 1998-99...net spend £8,000,000 Finished 13th 1999-00...net spend £9,600,000 Finished 11th 2000-01...net spend -£4,100,000 Finished 11th 2001-02...net spend £25,000,000 Finished 4th 2002-03...net spend £15,000,000 Finished 3rd 2003-04...net spend £100,000 Finished 5th 2004-05..net spend £2,750,000 Finished 14th 2005-06..net spend £18,800,000 Finished 7th 2006-07 net spend £16,700,000 Finished 13th 2007-08 net spend £1,850,000 Finished 12th dude, i've never once claimed that spending = success nor will i, there are too many variables in football for that one thing i will say is that since the dawn of the EPL only arsenal have come close to winning it (won it) without breaking transfer records and any club who has crept up the league by being prudent have always fallen back down eventually absolutely right. Spending doesn't guarantee success, but as sure as hell if you don;'t do it you won't get success. Does this really need to be stated ? Incredible. interesting that you cut the thread pyramid off before mrmojorisin75 said wouldn't you agree ?

poor managers have won knock out cups. (and you know my opinion there),i struggle to remember the last poor manager to win the league ? i've already shown you often when that board didn't quite back the manager in the way you seem to remember. if,say for example, nufc spend 30mill between now and sept 1st would that satisfy you ? would you say "they finally realised"? or would you think they just may have been doing something all along ?

In 06-07 only two clubs spent more than us and we finished 13th. It's good this game. see my next post dave and try to take it in - it's not about whether we spend MORE than these clubs, it's about whether we spend what we need to spend to at least keep up with them, in fact lets change that to CATCH them first then we'll have to start thinking about keeping up with them the period you refer to is universally accepted as one of turmoil and s*** managers so the point is moot in my eyes anyway if you think, what, 12m net spend so far under ashley is OK then so be it check soccer base 1997-98...net spend £5,700,000 Finished 13th 1998-99...net spend £8,000,000 Finished 13th 1999-00...net spend £9,600,000 Finished 11th 2000-01...net spend -£4,100,000 Finished 11th 2001-02...net spend £25,000,000 Finished 4th 2002-03...net spend £15,000,000 Finished 3rd 2003-04...net spend £100,000 Finished 5th 2004-05..net spend £2,750,000 Finished 14th 2005-06..net spend £18,800,000 Finished 7th 2006-07 net spend £16,700,000 Finished 13th 2007-08 net spend £1,850,000 Finished 12th dude, i've never once claimed that spending = success nor will i, there are too many variables in football for that one thing i will say is that since the dawn of the EPL only arsenal have come close to winning it (won it) without breaking transfer records and any club who has crept up the league by being prudent have always fallen back down eventually absolutely right. Spending doesn't guarantee success, but as sure as hell if you don;'t do it you won't get success. Does this really need to be stated ? Incredible. the point i was making that evryone seemed to grasp was that at times we hadn't spent in the way some make out and the previous lot made a hash of it when in a position of strength.. spending doesn't guarantee you success,but as sure as hell if you have a poor manager,you can spend as much as you want,you still wont get success does this really need to be stated ? incredible

don't overhype it...ran 30yds unchallenged then hit the net from 16yds, whats he like overall ?

what luisao rumour ?

really think we should play strongest available 11,really dont want to go to OT on the back of a few heavy defeats. the players wont even be bothered about results. just sharpening up physically and using the ball in match situations. also a chance for the manager to try out stuff. ie formations and testing players under certain situations.

We blatantly tapped him up, told him we'd give him a signing on fee to at least match him buying out his contract and offered him a good wage. most probably true....but in very best man utd style "prove it" the good thing is,if true and the coloccini agents repaorts....we have been doing stuff away from the medias gaze for the past few months. i wonder what else there is ?

on the plus side bassong is from the same club as ropert pires (probably destined to win stuff for arsenal)