madras

aye right,THATS the reason we have to win...cos your mates'll take the piss. we live,work etc with the mackems. Seen that coming tbh, its my post and its my opinion, why would i talk about what you lot have to lose? Surely with it being my own post i talk about how it effects me? the needs of the many are greater than the needs of the few.......................now where can i find a mr spok smiley

your local what ? brothal,papershop,boucherie ?

aye right,THATS the reason we have to win...cos your mates'll take the piss. we live,work etc with the mackems.

I wish the idiot fans would just have some patience and read this quote over and over. More likely they'll forget it by next week and spout on about how Mort and Ashley want Sam out and that patience is something they both don't possess...............its depressing but what can you do? the opposite is true, the stability comes from being succesful not the other way around. Oh Dear . . Stability (with the right people involved . . Ashley / Mort / Allardyce / Money on top players . . facilitates the opportunity for success. THEN (as you say) success should come, and that creates it's own form of additional stability. BUT, first you need . . . . . that has sod all to do with stability,more with (hopefully) the right people in the right jobs. if allardyce hasn't drastically improved on where we are now he will be gone by august 2009. the quest fro stability shouldn't mean keeping hold of possibly the wrong personnel That is where successful (Ashley) and intelligent (Mort) people come in. They make the judgement call about 'personnel'. They appear to have made it already . . we'll see. In truth, that is all we can do and all we should do - wait and see. This Mort/Ashley club is so different to what it has ever been (and I went through the SJH changes from Mckeag) and it just looks, sounds and smells (!) RIGHT! Have faith - this is different. the ashley/mort bit may provide the stability, as yet i'm not too sure on allardyce

away fans make noise cos they've been drinking all day and the underdog(more of them than us) thing comes out. all seater stadia has stopped a lot of the atmosphere. when300 people were crowde into the area that now holds 30 you'd get lost,your voice would get lost with all the others,now when/if you chant you can hear yourself and can easily feel a prat because if you can hear yourself then everyone else can hear YOU.

I wish the idiot fans would just have some patience and read this quote over and over. More likely they'll forget it by next week and spout on about how Mort and Ashley want Sam out and that patience is something they both don't possess...............its depressing but what can you do? the opposite is true, the stability comes from being succesful not the other way around. Oh Dear . . Stability (with the right people involved . . Ashley / Mort / Allardyce / Money on top players . . facilitates the opportunity for success. THEN (as you say) success should come, and that creates it's own form of additional stability. BUT, first you need . . . . . that has sod all to do with stability,more with (hopefully) the right people in the right jobs. if allardyce hasn't drastically improved on where we are now he will be gone by august 2009. the quest fro stability shouldn't mean keeping hold of possibly the wrong personnel That is where successful (Ashley) and intelligent (Mort) people come in. They make the judgement call about 'personnel'. They appear to have made it already . . we'll see.

You from Westerhope madras? hehe jingling for me too or the chapel park... tempted to go to the chapel of rest as in 25years it'll probably be the busiest i've ever seen it.

I wish the idiot fans would just have some patience and read this quote over and over. More likely they'll forget it by next week and spout on about how Mort and Ashley want Sam out and that patience is something they both don't possess...............its depressing but what can you do? the opposite is true, the stability comes from being succesful not the other way around. Oh Dear . . Stability (with the right people involved . . Ashley / Mort / Allardyce / Money on top players . . facilitates the opportunity for success. THEN (as you say) success should come, and that creates it's own form of additional stability. BUT, first you need . . . . . that has sod all to do with stability,more with (hopefully) the right people in the right jobs. if allardyce hasn't drastically improved on where we are now he will be gone by august 2009. the quest fro stability shouldn't mean keeping hold of possibly the wrong personnel

never heard of him....i wasn't brought up here (i' was brought up a newbiggin haller ) and he's out my age group by a few years.it's not a name that rings any bells from WDHS.

I wish the idiot fans would just have some patience and read this quote over and over. More likely they'll forget it by next week and spout on about how Mort and Ashley want Sam out and that patience is something they both don't possess...............its depressing but what can you do? the opposite is true, the stability comes from being succesful not the other way around.

don't worry chaps, they had a plan not so long ago to light patterns on the same bridge,which i believe they could "digitise" from photos etc, it didn't work or if it did it was crap as whenever i passed it it was the same blue bridge with lighting that looked half knacked .

You from Westerhope madras? mebee ? want a fight like ?

i know it's being asked in the pre-derby thread,thought it may warrant it's own thread. either the jingling gate (westerhope) or fluid for me.

ray "rocky" hudson the terrible duo of david barton and bruce halliday. see how fucking easy you kids have had it ?

gary nicholson,stuart robinson,jamie scott, made probably about 30apps between them and proof that football wasn't really better in the 70's

i would keep 4-4-2 with geremi coming in alongside barton but i think allardyce will bring smith in there

I wouldn't say alot to be critical about. Just teething problems I'm sure. tactics at derby and reading, then on saturday are not teething troubles. I'll give you Derby and Reading, but Saturday was freak. There was NOTHING Sam could've done about the first 3 goals. Once we were 3 nil down, the gameplan goes out the window. you see 3 goals down, i see 2 goals down with an hour left,keeping the wingers out of position and not bringing another forward on till well after half time.

I wouldn't say alot to be critical about. Just teething problems I'm sure. tactics at derby and reading, then on saturday are not teething troubles.

lets be honest, most on here will be critical of allardyce but stop short of wanting a sacking . unfortunatly there has been a lot to be critical about.

I said this before...I like Rozehnal runs forward and he has an eye for goal, I like his passing too...I think he would make a really good defensive midfielder... he started his career as a defensive midfielder, why do you suppose he moved back ? defenders naturally get more space when moving out with the ball than in the more congested midfield.

agreeing with this a bit. if we did go throwing money at it till we won it would feel hollow unless we were highly entertaining for the cash.

Souness and O'Neill had their Scottish successes with the respective halves of the Old Firm. Their League Cup successes were with Blackburn Rovers and Leicester City, respectively - two quite comparable, middling teams. I appreciate that Souness has managed even bigger clubs without success, but I'm not arguing he is as good a manager as O'Neill, let alone a better manager. I'm seeking to undermine the idea that a manager's trophy record "proves" he is better or worse than another manager. Whether anyone like sit or not, winning trophies is ALL that matters in establishing a club as a top side with worldwide respect - West Ham were universally held up as proponents of football as it should be played in the 60s, and even they won the FA Cup/Cupwinners Cup(they did have Moore, Peters, Hurst etc i the side), but Man U went on to be the most renowned side because of title wins and European Cup success.. Real Madrid have never replicated their successes in Europe that made them world famous in the 60s, but they are still revered because of them. NUFC have won NO Domestic trophies since 1955 , NO trophies at all since 69 - name me another club with our fan base who have been so unsuccessful - KK did a great job for us, but by walking out, he demonstrated that he couldn't finish it off ; either that or he thought the way the club was being run did not allow that because he wouldn't have limitless funds. i agree to a point, if we got a manager who regularly won titles in the top leagues i'd be quite happy but for me finishing 2nd in the prem,italian,spanish leagues is a step above the winning the scottish league. in otherwords it's what you win as opposed to winning anything.

I wonder about Patrick Barclay sometimes...."O'Neill is a better manager than Allardyce". There was also a worrying assumption by these hacks that Ashley is clueless and might be bad for the club. Nonsense. O'Neill IS a better manager than Allardyce - his trophy record proves it, as does his getting Celtic to a European Final ; Allardyce has won NOWT... that means souness was better than keegan ? Lets put it another way - as you brought KK into it, who would you choose if both KK and MON were in for the NUFC job at the end of this season? Sorry, but for me, its MON...proven winner and interested in ALL aspects of a club, not just buying players. Proven against Scots. To put it yet another way, who would you have had back in 1992? We are not back in 1992 - I asked who would you choose if both were in for the NUFC job at the end of THIS season - so - who would YOU choose??? And as for your comment about the Scots, did Celtic only play Scots when reaching the UEFA Final against Porto..!!? Oh, well in that case, probably Martin O'Neill. I would also prefer Martin O'Neill to Brian Clough, Bill Shankly, Bob Paisley and Jock Stein. I reckon he'd out-perform the lot of them. Well, he might, anyway. You said O'Neill was a proven winner - he's won several things in Scotland and an English League Cup, just like Graeme Souness. Graeme Souness has also won an English FA Cup. Graeme Souness has won a cup in Turkey, too, unlike Martin O'Neill. Martin O'Neill has won nothing in trans-European competition. Souness was three injuries away from getting us into the UEFA Cup Final. Steve McLaren did get Middlesbrough into the UEFA Cup Final. Martin O'Neill's achievements with Celtic are worth little. Getting a bit silly now, aren't we ? How do Clough, Paisley et al come into this ? I thought most of the people you mentioned were DEAD ! Lets get down to basics - O'Neill, Souness, Allardyce - all ALIVE(at least, 2 of them!)the last time I looked ; Suppose all 3 were your choice of manager given that you HAD the choice - which would you choose? You can add KK in as well, if you like - he's been our boss once, so you can view the choice with the advantage of hindsight.... NOW - to be fair - these are probably the only types of manager who would currently take the NUFC job. IF Hiddink was prepared to do it, I would actually choose him, but we are looking at what we can currently be expected to have available IF the job was vacant, which it currently isn't and I don't expect it to be until at least the season's end, if then... As for your comparison of O'Neill with Souness - how many Chairmen of Prem clubs would choose Souness over O'Neill if both wanted to manage their club(don't say Shepherd, we all know he doesn't really count !)? Souness MIGHT have won things with Rangers, but they were the Chelsea of their day - Celtic couldn't even attempt to match them, but O'Neill had to work with a much more even playing field in the transfer stakes, and Souness's tenure at other clubs AFTER Rangers tells you everything - the same DOESN'T apply to MON. but they were winning stuff in scotland,it means nowt, they both won carling cups in england and souness and fa cup aswell. you are saying that you'd rather dave bassett had been in charge at NUFC as he'd won the fa cup than keegan who won nowt ?

shocking that, fancy not scoring a goal when you've got a broken leg kaka's never scored in the prem so any team going after him would be mad

i don't remember the origianal stating that would be it, only that he has one lined up already (believe that if you want!) but nowhere does it say that is all,maybe he's the only one to be set up now.but i'l tell you what,maybe it's easier to find more to grumble about when we have a poor run and take each snippet only with negativity.