madras

I think it's time to get your head out of the sand rather than elaborate. I don’t think expecting to give the s**** of the league a good game once in a while is too much to ask. It's only my opinion but I expect to see an improvement next season, if it doesn't come then so be it, but please explain how doing away with the manager help at such an important time of the season? Who is available that could do a better job? almost everyone is available at the right price

no no,we play for a draw to relegation fodder. we'll play to keep it to under 4.

typical nufc is to go,play well,unluckily get beat 1-0. (then get raped off citeh)

aye the chelsea game was canny

Explain how Viduka fits into that list. explain how he doesnt? just because he scored 2 goals v derby means hes good? he does nothing for the team and the team does nothing for him. i see a pattern here

people didn't expect miracles but improvment....we havent improved.

I've never seen the like away from home. Some of the stuff that went on, not from a small minority of pissed up charvas either (some have temporarily escaped my memory, others will know): Obviously chanting for Oba from about 15 minutes onwards Shearer, Shearer - long, loud and persistent Very loud booing when Allardyce picked up the ball when it went out of play Booing at half time and full time Most tellingly, the vast majority for most of the second half: "We're s*** and we're sick of it" All totally justified too imo. Today went beyond the pale. ashley was in the crowd aswell. i think it's a question of when rather than if. Did he join in? he paid £2million to paul macca to come up with the lyrics "we're shit and we're sick of it". then he started it

it's a "period" thats lasted since august

then concentrate on allardyce after your act of self mutilation

we didn't expect magical results but after 19 games and 7 months you'd expect some sign of improvment,not the feeling that the performances arethe same as the last 2 mangers who at least would atempt to win away games. "not playing well at the moment"... that moment has lasted since august. we played well 1st half at bolton,then against spurs and arsenal. don't fall into the trap that we beat west ham and everton seemingly comfortably because we didn't play well and there were long spells in both games when we were under the cosh. Our last two managers did NOT attempt to win away games. Roeder took a whole season to win a couple of away games, and don't even mention Graeme f****** Souness and his ineptness. they did attempt to win away but failed,i'd rather fail trying than not attempt.

I've never seen the like away from home. Some of the stuff that went on, not from a small minority of pissed up charvas either (some have temporarily escaped my memory, others will know): Obviously chanting for Oba from about 15 minutes onwards Shearer, Shearer - long, loud and persistent Very loud booing when Allardyce picked up the ball when it went out of play Booing at half time and full time Most tellingly, the vast majority for most of the second half: "We're s*** and we're sick of it" All totally justified too imo. Today went beyond the pale. ashley was in the crowd aswell. i think it's a question of when rather than if.

I agree. Tony Daley at our place was the fastest player I've seen, faster than Agbonlahor, but with absolutely no clue what to do with the ball when he ran out of space to run into. Ashley Young is nowhere near as fast, but can cross very well. James Milner has little pace but is also a very good crosser of the ball. Decent wingers will create space. at villa he did and the crowd there loved him. the question should be why can he do it there but not here ? what differing circumstances are there ? did he have someone to aim for at villa ? Cos he isnt good enough? Villa were piss poor at the time. We are piss poor now. Doing the odd stepover and shuffle then hoofing it into the Holte/Leazes end is manna from heaven for some man. Whichever way anyone wants to dress it up I'm not having him down as a very good crosser of the ball maybe the last 4 words in bold but all six is way over the top. but thats not what he done. he created. i don't think he is the best wide player in the world but your going over the top is getting a bit fetishistic Not really, the kid has been piss poor all season and way over-rated last. People are starting to see that now thank f***. Only the manager left to go and we all know what a tool he is proving to be. i don't think he's been poor all season and people aren't starting to see it some have always rated him and some haven't. i don't really think anyone has changed their mind.

for those who were there. what was the fans reaction. at half time you could hear the booing on the radio. the away crowd are normally pissed and have a partizan "it might be shite but it's our shite" mentality but it seems like allardyce has even lost the backing of this partizanship.

I agree. Tony Daley at our place was the fastest player I've seen, faster than Agbonlahor, but with absolutely no clue what to do with the ball when he ran out of space to run into. Ashley Young is nowhere near as fast, but can cross very well. James Milner has little pace but is also a very good crosser of the ball. Decent wingers will create space. at villa he did and the crowd there loved him. the question should be why can he do it there but not here ? what differing circumstances are there ? did he have someone to aim for at villa ? Cos he isnt good enough? Villa were piss poor at the time. We are piss poor now. Doing the odd stepover and shuffle then hoofing it into the Holte/Leazes end is manna from heaven for some man. Whichever way anyone wants to dress it up I'm not having him down as a very good crosser of the ball maybe the last 4 words in bold but all six is way over the top. but thats not what he done. he created. i don't think he is the best wide player in the world but your going over the top is getting a bit fetishistic

but your forgetting things like his goal at sunderland which was a cross into the perfect area for forwards to attack. i doubt beckham at his best would get much quality in with what we have to aim for. only owen regularly gambles on "those" positions.

I agree. Tony Daley at our place was the fastest player I've seen, faster than Agbonlahor, but with absolutely no clue what to do with the ball when he ran out of space to run into. Ashley Young is nowhere near as fast, but can cross very well. James Milner has little pace but is also a very good crosser of the ball. Decent wingers will create space. at villa he did and the crowd there loved him. the question should be why can he do it there but not here ? what differing circumstances are there ? did he have someone to aim for at villa ?

how do you know that aye,this needs answering

I agree. Tony Daley at our place was the fastest player I've seen, faster than Agbonlahor, but with absolutely no clue what to do with the ball when he ran out of space to run into. Ashley Young is nowhere near as fast, but can cross very well. James Milner has little pace but is also a very good crosser of the ball. Decent wingers will create space. that goes for all footballers,not just wingers.

only if the billionaire wants to hoy more cash at it. ...well seen as he's already put in £200m (inc debt reduction) its not something I'm worried about. we could get a quality mourinho type manager if he he was told "you'll have a £200mill transfer kitty" and pay him top wages. however that type of manager wont want to know if he's told "you can only spend what we create as a business" i suppose our next appointment will see this answered one way or t'other

only if the billionaire wants to hoy more cash at it.

we didn't expect magical results but after 19 games and 7 months you'd expect some sign of improvment,not the feeling that the performances arethe same as the last 2 mangers who at least would atempt to win away games. "not playing well at the moment"... that moment has lasted since august. we played well 1st half at bolton,then against spurs and arsenal. don't fall into the trap that we beat west ham and everton seemingly comfortably because we didn't play well and there were long spells in both games when we were under the cosh.

Its sad to say but that is exactly right. 1 result against a weaker side can just be put down to a one off but to struggle against Derby twice, Wigan, Fulham, Sunderland, Birmingham has to have something to do with the manager/tactics/coaching. don't forget reading,boro and not having a shot on target at home to villa.

I'll eagerly await the "big four" apart from Chelsea and most of the rest of the teams in the league going into administration then. ok then clevershite... "the quickest way is to spend money you don't have to the extent that it reaches a point where the financial institutions start wanting there money back or making it very hard to borrow again resulting in losing more and more money and the debts keep rising till you hit a leeds type scenario"

You would have said the same about the SJP expansion 5 years ago And? 5 years ago no one could have predicted that we would be in the freefall that we were at the end of Fred's time. That's stunning, don't you think? 10 years ago I don't think many predicted that we'd be in financial trouble and our future would be looking seemingly bleak. That's the main thing I've been trying to say so far, though god knows I've tried my best to sound as confusing as possible. ??? And in 5 years time Wenger may have let and Arsenal may be struggling to get 8th place in the Premier league. You've said exactly what I was getting at, the Emirates looks sound now, SJP look sound 5 years ago Aye, the MANAGER makes a massive difference, which is where we went wrong with the appointment of Souness, obviously. .....or even the sacking of SBR? didn't hear too many voices against it at the time. Never mind, after today, do you hope the club continue carrying on putting the books first, standby for more real mediocrity or worse. I thought when the Halls and Shepherd left, all this mediocrity would come to an end. I reckon we need a few of these quality trophy players to get up the league a bit, don't you yes as i'm pretty sure a different manager could have the current personnel playing well. on the other hand would you like the club to go to the wall through chasing too much. ? i suggest a happy medium. the one sure way to go to the wall quicker than any other is to buy s*** footballers, or buy no footballers the quickest way is to spend money you don't have.

a plan that involved gifting sunderland points aswell ?