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against nurses though

not if it'll take 5 years to get us to where bolton were

be wary with defenders as how many would be able to adapt to not running straight through the back of forwards..baresi was a great shout mind. re brummies nostalgia post.........76 euro champs was probably the first tournament i really took in and as you say the crackly phone line commentary,the good east european teams,the constant klaxon horns from the crowd,the way the black and white patched football skidded along the ground into the net. rouned off with the coolest moment in football..panenkas penalty in the shoot out.

agreed. very good news if true, would like to see him given some much needed funds in january, creative midfielder is a must Even if he is given funds its gonna be very hard to get quality players in, most clubs wont let their best players go half way throu the season. some do...woddgate,evra,vidic

they were,i think only regis would have cut it today and even then not at as high a standard. any more, i was thinking maybe steve coppell

That's when most good players are at their best tbf not when in the defensive positions

there is a slight debate in another thread about managers/players from the past, wether they could survive in todays game. i know it's not realistic as had duncan edwards been born in 1977 he'd have been used to the football of that day...so it's just a bit of fun. which players from the past ( pre premiership).as they were then would have survived had they been transported through time to todays game ?. for me..... beckenbauer cruyff bobby charlton pele and malcolm macdonald probably some more but they are off the top of my head.

During the period that they have all had stable managers, yes. Theres no point tracing back throught their respective histoy's because that doesnt illustrate the specifics of my point. Of course, nufc have been more successful over a course of the premiership, but all our notbale success has occured with long term stable managers. but all those clubs saw almost immediate improvment. in nufc's case would robson have still been in place had he took us down and we'd performed worse than guillits team. ?

he's only our best player when on the ball (and even then it's only been the last couple of games).still, as a defender he lacks most defensive qualities

i have the feeling that the only thing keeping allardyce in a job is the awkward stage of the season it is for getting a new man in.

So you think you are a better judge than one Brian Clough then do you !?? Because, as I keep telling you, that is EXACTLY what Clough said football was - a simple game made complicated by Buffoons... If you get the players playing in a system they are comfortable with , AND to their strengths, they will do the business PROVIDED they have a modicum of ability. Clough did not take 20 games to make an impact at Derby and everywhere he went he took John McGovern with him ..one day, a NE journalist, Doug Weatherall, asked Clough why he always signed McGovern, as none of the Press guys could see anything in him - Clough replied ' that's why YOU are a journalist, and I am a MANAGER, Doug..!!' John Robertson, now coach to O'Neill at Villa, never got on well with Clough, but he would run through a brick wall for him because Clough let him PLAY TO HIS STRENGTHS as a left-winger...do you think Cloughie would have played N'Zogbia at LB, because I don't....I once saw him bollocking a player in training because the guy was a striker and he was taking corners - Clough said ' I didn't pay 1m for you to mess around taking corners, I paid it so you could score goals- GET IN THE MIDDLE !' No messing about with positional changes for BC..!! To be fair, he was pissed at the time. He was a great manager but football in his day compared to today is a whole new ball game. it's not complicated the way man utd play. Fergie would disagree. pretty sure fergie would get the basics right and you're almost there How anyone can think football is a simple game is beyond me, it's a complex sport involving many variables. watch man utd and arsenal play...pass and move.give the man on the ball options and have your team drilled to be able to second guess what his team mates will do. get in the players that do this best. basic man utd blueprint. for what it's worth i don't think ferguson is that tactically astute but better than everyone else at the basics I used to think that about Fergie but you don't build new teams that go on to succeed as regularly as he does without having a good grasp of tactics. He's a prime example of an old school manager adapting to a new game and his sides have shown that from their basic 4-4-2 of the early 90s to their many systems and formations today. Yes Man Utd's core principles are basic, but there is nothing basic about their game. If it were that easy every team going would play good football. They don't because it's the hardest game to play and the hardest to succeed with. it doesn't matter really about their formations as they are fluid (in the pass and move style). would the man utd plan work if they couldn't get the best players to execute it?. they can execute while others can't because a) they have and keep getting the best players to do it b) a manager who drills in a work ethic aswell as basic skills we'll never agree on this

if we always played players in their "right" positions we'd never have got steve howey to centre half,rob lee to central midfield,barry venison to ventre half then centre midfield. it's a matter of learning when you get it wrong.

i have a feeling that with n'zogbia being raped inside today he'll not be left back on weds. he can drop duff back to the bench claiming so many games so quick after so long out...i see n'zogbia wide left...more of a shock, martins and owen up front,push on and lots of low balls to run/come on to

both not very good. why not just give £50,000 a week to good causes as opposed to a bad one. (truth be told, i've heard that barton is very good volunteering time and energy,forcing more reluctant teammates to charity stuff,hospital visits etc,but he has a flashpoint slight;y higher than the melting point of water)

What is this thread about anyway? does it matter what it's about ? you know how it will end up. it's all shepherds concoction to stop us arguing about souness Vs bellamy

Kind of missed my point, I havent once said that that backing the manager finacially and with time hasnt provided success or isnt fundamental for success. I happen to think that succes is acquired by sticking with a good manager, and success is augmented by backing them financially. There is a subtlety to what im saying which differs from what you are implying. Im tryin to say that gettin the right man for the job and sticking by him is actually more important than the financial backing, however by this i am not implying that financial backing isnt an important aspect, it hugely important, but NOT as important as continutiy of a manager. As has been proven by the current situation we find ourselves in. However, club which have done well in recent years with there limited resources include, Everton, Bolton, Charlton, Blackburn. All clubs which have had steady managers. Hence why i believe sticking with the manager is the more important aspect. Clubs like Liverpool, Arsenal and Man U, have stuck by there manager, even during difficulttimes, but have applied there resources as well in order to sustain the success that they are achieving now. Newcastle, have changed managers and have used there resources quite badly, and in my opinion are struggling because of this approach. all clubs who improved almost straight away. stability doesnt bring success as much as success brings stability Thats arguable. Everton had a few bad season after very succeful seasons, but the club backed moyes through the difficult periods, not sacked him like we did with SBR. Although thats diverting alittle bit, the point i was making is that these have all achieved relative levels of success with a consistent manager all absent of any decent resources. everton improved straight away i think then nearly got relegated the year after...but they could say moyes had improved their club originally to fall back on....i'm struggling to think of many who've came in and took their club backwards (thinking of the teams souness and roeder had to put out at times i think thats fair)over 6 months and stayed to prove anything. Again, im not tryin to advocate any particular appointment, if you read any of my earlier posts i dont mention Souness or Roeder as people we should stick by, im just trying to make a genrelaised point that if we get a competent manager we should stick by him. Also tryin to say that gettin the right man and sticking by him is more important than the financial backing of a manager, which is important but just not as. The clubs ive mentioned are all beneficiaries of this approach. i agree with the sentiment,just not sure allardyce is the man. (now thats how to disagree in a non-spiteful manner.........mick,NE5 take note!)

any reason to belive that will happen...from what you've seen the last 7 month ?

like chelsea under mourinho

Kind of missed my point, I havent once said that that backing the manager finacially and with time hasnt provided success or isnt fundamental for success. I happen to think that succes is acquired by sticking with a good manager, and success is augmented by backing them financially. There is a subtlety to what im saying which differs from what you are implying. Im tryin to say that gettin the right man for the job and sticking by him is actually more important than the financial backing, however by this i am not implying that financial backing isnt an important aspect, it hugely important, but NOT as important as continutiy of a manager. As has been proven by the current situation we find ourselves in. However, club which have done well in recent years with there limited resources include, Everton, Bolton, Charlton, Blackburn. All clubs which have had steady managers. Hence why i believe sticking with the manager is the more important aspect. Clubs like Liverpool, Arsenal and Man U, have stuck by there manager, even during difficulttimes, but have applied there resources as well in order to sustain the success that they are achieving now. Newcastle, have changed managers and have used there resources quite badly, and in my opinion are struggling because of this approach. all clubs who improved almost straight away. stability doesnt bring success as much as success brings stability Thats arguable. Everton had a few bad season after very succeful seasons, but the club backed moyes through the difficult periods, not sacked him like we did with SBR. Although thats diverting alittle bit, the point i was making is that these have all achieved relative levels of success with a consistent manager all absent of any decent resources. everton improved straight away i think then nearly got relegated the year after...but they could say moyes had improved their club originally to fall back on....i'm struggling to think of many who've came in and took their club backwards (thinking of the teams souness and roeder had to put out at times i think thats fair)over 6 months and stayed to prove anything.

Did they show Almunia getting hit with the bottles? not that i remember (check my sig you'll see how hard that was to type)...why what happened..plastic,glass,huge inflatble brown ale as hit tommy wright at bournemouth in the cup (the drunkest i have ever been)

Kind of missed my point, I havent once said that that backing the manager finacially and with time hasnt provided success or isnt fundamental for success. I happen to think that succes is acquired by sticking with a good manager, and success is augmented by backing them financially. There is a subtlety to what im saying which differs from what you are implying. Im tryin to say that gettin the right man for the job and sticking by him is actually more important than the financial backing, however by this i am not implying that financial backing isnt an important aspect, it hugely important, but NOT as important as continutiy of a manager. As has been proven by the current situation we find ourselves in. However, club which have done well in recent years with there limited resources include, Everton, Bolton, Charlton, Blackburn. All clubs which have had steady managers. Hence why i believe sticking with the manager is the more important aspect. Clubs like Liverpool, Arsenal and Man U, have stuck by there manager, even during difficulttimes, but have applied there resources as well in order to sustain the success that they are achieving now. Newcastle, have changed managers and have used there resources quite badly, and in my opinion are struggling because of this approach. all clubs who improved almost straight away. stability doesnt bring success as much as success brings stability

a funny motd spot by me...after atreta gets sent off there is a section of film where a youngish girl can be seen going mental at the arsenal fans...sat apparently next to her is a lad wearing an arsenal top...impassive. made me giggle.

i'm sure some pm's have been abound tonight about some comp to slip in as many embarissing toon cliches as possible.

So you think you are a better judge than one Brian Clough then do you !?? Because, as I keep telling you, that is EXACTLY what Clough said football was - a simple game made complicated by Buffoons... If you get the players playing in a system they are comfortable with , AND to their strengths, they will do the business PROVIDED they have a modicum of ability. Clough did not take 20 games to make an impact at Derby and everywhere he went he took John McGovern with him ..one day, a NE journalist, Doug Weatherall, asked Clough why he always signed McGovern, as none of the Press guys could see anything in him - Clough replied ' that's why YOU are a journalist, and I am a MANAGER, Doug..!!' John Robertson, now coach to O'Neill at Villa, never got on well with Clough, but he would run through a brick wall for him because Clough let him PLAY TO HIS STRENGTHS as a left-winger...do you think Cloughie would have played N'Zogbia at LB, because I don't....I once saw him bollocking a player in training because the guy was a striker and he was taking corners - Clough said ' I didn't pay 1m for you to mess around taking corners, I paid it so you could score goals- GET IN THE MIDDLE !' No messing about with positional changes for BC..!! To be fair, he was pissed at the time. He was a great manager but football in his day compared to today is a whole new ball game. it's not complicated the way man utd play. Fergie would disagree. pretty sure fergie would get the basics right and you're almost there How anyone can think football is a simple game is beyond me, it's a complex sport involving many variables. watch man utd and arsenal play...pass and move.give the man on the ball options and have your team drilled to be able to second guess what his team mates will do. get in the players that do this best. basic man utd blueprint. for what it's worth i don't think ferguson is that tactically astute but better than everyone else at the basics

Very true. Robert's crossing was frustrating because it often didn't beat the first defender, but when it's put in lower and with such pace it will much more frequently result in a goal once past the first man. quite often with robert the annoying was he'd looked up,saw there was no one there then put in a peach of a cross leaving half the crowd slagging off the forwards for not being there and the other half slagging him off for deliberatly giving the ball away