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Sweet, I've got a BoyleSports account from that casino offer a few weeks ago (same parent company) so I'll be all over this. Looks exactly the same but just a smaller in-play bet (and a "free bet" rather than using your own money). EDIT: weird, it's advertised on the BetMclean mobile frontpage but not on the web or on the promotions page.

Nah, place the pre-match bet on 365, then lay it elsewhere, so your original £50 is guaranteed not to lose more than a couple of quid. Then you can do anything you like with the in-play one. I know some people like to combine the two bets to guarantee a small profit but I prefer to just make sure the qualifying bet doesn't lose, and try and win big with the risk free one.

Best cover I can find for Saturday's 365 offer: Under/Over 3.5 First Half Goals - lay it at 20/1 with Coral and WH.

It was extraordinary like. They were in a four goal deficit in two consecutive ties.

"Give him a chance" is exactly what they want you to do. Many will and the cycle starts all over again.

Personally I'm no giving him any benefit of the doubt. Which is kind of against my general outlook on life, where I trust until someone does something that loses that trust. For this guy, I'm definitely in the camp I was in with Carver, where I knew it was going to be crap. There is a slight difference here, though as I am sure he will have a spell where people are sucked into thinking, like they were with Pardew, "well he's actually pretty good, I was wrong". There was no chance whatsover of that happening under Carver. Anyway another ill advised appointment in a key position, it's what we do, and we seem to continue to do it despite being burned by the experience over and over again. I really think this is a miles better appointment that Pardew. Pardew had been out of the game for a fair while (for a reason, he was shite) and if we start to think "he's actually pretty good" about McClaren, it's not that we've been sucked in, it's because he's actually half decent. Only about 2-3 months iirc. It just felt like that because he was dossing around in League One like he should be. Was that all it was? For some reason I thought it was a couple of years. God knows where I got that from. Aye, sacked by Saints at the end of August, took our job beginning of December.

Personally I'm no giving him any benefit of the doubt. Which is kind of against my general outlook on life, where I trust until someone does something that loses that trust. For this guy, I'm definitely in the camp I was in with Carver, where I knew it was going to be crap. There is a slight difference here, though as I am sure he will have a spell where people are sucked into thinking, like they were with Pardew, "well he's actually pretty good, I was wrong". There was no chance whatsover of that happening under Carver. Anyway another ill advised appointment in a key position, it's what we do, and we seem to continue to do it despite being burned by the experience over and over again. I really think this is a miles better appointment that Pardew. Pardew had been out of the game for a fair while (for a reason, he was shite) and if we start to think "he's actually pretty good" about McClaren, it's not that we've been sucked in, it's because he's actually half decent. Only about 2-3 months iirc. It just felt like that because he was dossing around in League One like he should be.

Just had a flashback of when everyone breathed a sigh of relief cos they thought Ba's contract clause had expired in the summer. Next day, Pardew, straight in the papers: "don't worry you massive clubs, the clause is back in January"

What? Do you honestly believe what you're typing? Wolfsburg, Twente again, Forest and Derby? I count three complete disasters in four, no? He didn't do great at both Wolfsburg and the short period at Forest, but his win percentage at both his second stint at Twente and Derby are pretty decent like. "Pretty poor" was the term used and I don't see anything there that says otherwise. Derby is the obvious exception where he did well until the collapse but the collapse is ultimately what counts if you don't even manage the play offs. I'm not a big fan of win percentages. It's meaningless without wider context. His Twente performance was enough for him to resign because he felt it necessary (and fair play to him for that).

What? Do you honestly believe what you're typing? Wolfsburg, Twente again, Forest and Derby? I count three complete disasters in four, no?

Funny how Ben Arfa gets called worse than shite for some mythical attitude problems despite never complaining publicly about being dropped after good performances. Ba was dropped to the bench against Everton and his agent was on SSN threatening to leave before the game started.

Another riveting season beckons for top flight North East football. Both clubs are a disgrace.

The Eredivisie might well be like the SPL but he effectively won it with Dundee United, it was an impressive feat that shouldn't be downplayed. He did achieve it in a fairly negative manner mind, his team scored about 40 goals less than the team in second, but a real achievement nevertheless. His cup runs at Boro don't mean anything more than Alex McLeish, Graeme Souness, Roberto Di Matteo and Avram Grant's ability to win a few games in a particular competition during a shit league season. Just ignore them.

He only has to finish above three of Bournemouth/Norwich/Watford/Villa/mackems/WBA and he'll be revered as an outstanding success. The last bloke ignited a dead career despite being utterly shit and that's what McClaren wants too. He'll do whatever Ashley tells him to for that.

No idea if he had his best career form here but I bet 12-13 was his worst.

The King will be inviting offers for him in the unveiling press conference.

Are you still pretending he was crap for boro? Because your "friends" told you this. I work with a boro fan and he is the greatest manager in their history. Doesn't mean I want him but don't change history. "Friends" I grew up in that neck of the woods. I didn't say he was crap for them, I said they fucking hated him because what they watched every week was disgracefully negative, which is absolutely true. Any Boro fan who tells you that he was popular by the end is a liar.

Swansea were a Championship club man. Exactly my point. And look where they ended up when he left them, and look where Rodgers ended up. Why aren't all Premier League clubs doing their shopping in the Championship, seriously? Plenty of sacked managers going for nothing. McClaren isn't learning his trade like Rodgers, he's now failed in his last four jobs. I remember when Poyet was appointed, being told to be worried because he was an exciting young manager, one of the best in that division, despite repeatedly pointing out that he hadn't managed to get out of the thing. Any half decent manager at Premier League level should be getting out of that division without a struggle. When tiny clubs like Bournemouth and Brentford are your main competition, or Watford who rattled through four managers, and you're managing a club like Derby who don't even make the play offs, that's not just failure, that's gross negligence somewhere along the line.

Swansea were a Championship club man.

Free flowing attacking football, blimey. His only Premier League job saw him play exclusively turgid negative stuff. People seem to be forgetting that you can't get out of the Championship trying not to get beat every week. His remit here will be to finish in mid-table, no better, no worse. The idea of him taking that remit and not going back to what did the same job for him in the past is, imo, a fantasy.

He knows full well what he's signing up for, just like his predecessor did.

Since we've seen so many Derby opinions, here are some Forest ones: http://www.forestforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=43520