BottledDog

And Joyce has done what wrong exactly? There is very little benifit keeping at the club a sacked manager who few of us have any faith in, nor would I think he would be particularly comfortable with it either. Not back at the Academy, and certainly not as a DOF.

All that and more. I'll be writing up a concise summary for yourself and others hopefully before noon tomorrow.

http://grimsbytown.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=909&p=2&stid=8442957 No bother, well above relegation by my calculations.

Pretty positive really. The future actually looks rather lovely what with all the rainbows and unicorns and what have you. http://true-faith.co.uk/html/tbawe.htm

I'm from Korea. We've got a good bunch of 50+ fans who hang out at our own message board and meet up regularly to watch games. Most of us have never even been to Newcastle, but for various reasons it's become our adopted club. (We've all got domestic clubs we support as well if you want to get picky about it) A lot of us have been through all the highs and lows of recent years, but never once have I seen somebody suggest that they couldn't be bothered to support NUFC anymore. Something about this club just brings out unreasonable devotion in people. Personally, I'm sitting in my room right now waiting for the 6 hour coach back to London which will be followed by a 7 hour flight back to Boston (where I reside at the moment). I flew 6000 miles to see possibly the worst match ever, and yet I still plan to come back. No idea why. can't have two clubs mate c. Stevie why not?? maybe you can't have two clubs but does it stop you from having a softspot for them? Quite right sir. A lot of us I would guess look for other results around the leagues, other local teams, family teams, friends teams, teams you saw at European away games, teams you saw on holiday, teams from other continents, all sorts of odd associations to greater or lesser degrees.

Amusingly (or not), the higher league position was seen by some as a bonus in trying to persuade a decent manager to try his hand. Ho hum.

He at least has a stripey bum. Very slimming.

It wasn't just Roeder, similar comments were made by Milner.

Even Rocky needed a backing track. I'm coming around to this idea. Lob 'em some Es and that Josh Wink track and at least we wont see their heads drop. Fuck it, at least it'll be entertaining.

Not in any way panicking yet. Yes we are garbage, but some of the clubs below us have as bad or worse run ins as ourselves. Lose to Sheff United and I'll get twitchy, but I cannot see us not pulling the few points we need out the bag in the remaining games. Even I have enough faith left in the squad to believe that.

Fine. To clear up the confusion then, what is your arguement/this threads point? That you wouldn't have swapped him/would still have him over any manager out there (or at least those on your list)?

And your arguement being that we should have backed Roeder for the job because, in your limited knowledge of the managerial job market, he was and presumably still is the best option? Give over. Someone asked you the other day whether you wanted Roeder to remain as manager. A simple yes or no. What was your answer?

Ye what?

So take it as a crack at the club then. I like Clarky and think he has a future, but he is not above criticism because he is in a high profile position on the staff. I take it we can't knock Roeder or Terry Mac for their dream jobs either?

Exactly, how can anyone judge his coaching skills, he's still an unknown quantity. Which is good enough for our reserves, is it? Probably not, no. Hope he does well, ambitious lad, but to give him that as his first proper job is a bit of a stretch.

Oh, and the outrageous expectation to beat bloody Man City at home with a near full squad. Well I'm very fucking sorry about that like. Cunts.

The top teams go mental if they don't win anything in a season, how many seasons has it been for us, yet despite getting hammered by Championship teams, being served up shite, and scoring a sum total of fuck all recently we still turn up. Expectations for fucks sake, if these idiots don't want expectations then sign for fucking Grimsby and give us all that cash back.

He was certainly working on some kind of Licence including time with Craig at Hibs. Probably the B licence with the A licence course starting in the summer, though Collins was (mis?)quoted as saying it was his A licence at the time.

Yay, no more mega-posts defending the fucker. Oh, I'll still defend him if I feel there is something to defend him by, just as I would with players and this isn't me saying "Roeder out" BTW. Booooooooooooooooooo. Roeder and Sheriff fat man out.

Nope. Calmed a situation that could have got out of control, and made a fantastic gesture to 'his people' and others on the flight by all acounts. Great to see.

What sort of an argument is that? "Ok so his movement is poor and his touch is poor. Imagine what would happen if they all of a sudden weren't poor!"

Yay, no more mega-posts defending the fucker.

I don't. Shit club, shit fans. Christ, I have no time at all for the Scouse mackems either.

I think it will be a massive surrender by Shepherd if he sacked Glenn. Despite the nonsense about him being the fans choice (although some clearly were taken in), he did make a lot of noise about this maybe being his last throw of the dice and how he must get this appointment right. Obviously it would not nessasarily mean the end of Freddy as well, but it would be a massive loss of face for him and and the pressure would have to be massive for him to make that the decision. Roeder needs to go, but we are in the situation now where there are almost no positives for the club whatever route we take. Fucking desparate state of affairs.

Did we ever get an adequate explanation for Craig's... leaving us? I remember the rumour being a falling out re Bernard but I have the memory of a goldfish, so...? No, no explaination. Possibly it was down to being forced to play Bernard but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some resentment at not continuing a role with the first team squad, something he clearly relishes at his new job alongside John Collins. This is what the club said at the time - "The club wishes to make it clear that his departure is purely down to further re-structuring of the coaching staff following several changes that have taken place during the period covering the departure of Graeme Souness and Glenn Roeder's full time managerial appointment."