BottledDog

Accused three or four at the club of not being motivated enough according to 5 live. Meh.

Roeder plays sexy football shocker!

Man U win their games in hand and they will have more than double our twatting points.

But you admit that the manager has his role - "no doubt driven by SAF". Yes if a lazy bugger is a lazy bugger he is unlikely to change such a fundamental trait (in general people dont change despite what some women seem to think *cough*), but that is something you would hope would be picked up before the player is bought. That said, through direction and motivation, coaching and confidence, a good manager it seems can make a remarkable difference to a players will to win and desire to do the best they can for themselves and the team. You pick up on SAF, and I agree, he has handled Ronaldo brilliantly and he also has a knack of getting his teams to bond brillianty both on and importantly off the pitch and buy into the mentality of the club. His teams fight for each other. Mourinho also gives his players that extra nudge to succeed but maybe slightly differently from Fergie in that his players fight for him rather than the team or the club (which is one of the reasons I think they would be mad to let him go as I can see a number of his team happily following him). Keegan has to be another example closer to home, his players were by no means always the greatest but played to their absolute best and did it consistantly. He was an inspiration. So, err.... yup. I do think a good manager can make the difference in moulding a group of players into a team with a winning mentality. Something we certainly appear to lack under Roeder. ah but the question was about individuals performances not moulding/building a team i'm saying that a manager can influence it if it's there already (ronaldo and fergie for example) but when it's not there it can't be created look at giggs and lee sharpe at manu (ok one was more talented than the other, granted) - both played in the same team under the same manager but one stuck to it and lived a good lifestyle, determined to suceed...the other did not and although lee sharpe was never as talented as giggs i feel it serves as a good example of how big a factor attitude of the individual can have REGARDLESS who the manager was I think that the ability to build winning team is more connected with influencing individuals performances than you suggest. Making them want to play for their manager, the team and the club, I would argue that players can be made to deliver a higher percentage of consistantly good performances, and that it is this ability to get the best out of an individual that actually allows those successful squads to be built. As I said, I recognise that certain strong traits cannot be changed, and a good manager recognises this and gets rid rather that holding out the hope that they can be changed (less than easy if you bought that player in the first place I grant you). But in some cases I'm sure players can be made to excell where they haven't before, and possibly this isn't just through playing players in their most effectiver positions, or drilling a game plan into them in training, it is also about managing their attitudes. Given the right managers inspiration, direction and coaching, I believe a player will put in better performances. There are loads of factors, but if we forget everything else, I'd still wager that SAF would still be getting more out of Ronaldo than we might have seen had Souness been his manager.

But you admit that the manager has his role - "no doubt driven by SAF". Yes if a lazy bugger is a lazy bugger he is unlikely to change such a fundamental trait (in general people dont change despite what some women seem to think *cough*), but that is something you would hope would be picked up before the player is bought. That said, through direction and motivation, coaching and confidence, a good manager it seems can make a remarkable difference to a players will to win and desire to do the best they can for themselves and the team. You pick up on SAF, and I agree, he has handled Ronaldo brilliantly and he also has a knack of getting his teams to bond brillianty both on and importantly off the pitch and buy into the mentality of the club. His teams fight for each other. Mourinho also gives his players that extra nudge to succeed but maybe slightly differently from Fergie in that his players fight for him rather than the team or the club (which is one of the reasons I think they would be mad to let him go as I can see a number of his team happily following him). Keegan has to be another example closer to home, his players were by no means always the greatest but played to their absolute best and did it consistantly. He was an inspiration. So, err.... yup. I do think a good manager can make the difference in moulding a group of players into a team with a winning mentality. Something we certainly appear to lack under Roeder.

It is easy to disagree, Redknapp is full of s*** as usual. Anybody who thinks we have "great" players is talking out of their arse. With only one proper striker all season long it's hardly a surprise we are where we are in the league. Not for me, as a group of players they should haver performed a damn sight better this season. And as for, "They should be right up there for what they have paid out", well sorry but he is right, the club has wasted stupid amounts of money over the years. Which of course anyone can see has nowt to do with Roeder. As a group of players they've performed like a team with only one proper striker, a player learning the ropes in a new league who hasn't had a quality partner alongside him at any stage at all. You are over-rating the players in my opinion. Mmm, not so sure. I think due to some of the dross we have had to put up with there has been a tendency if anything to be over critical of the player’s abilities. The squad is not 'shit bar one or two' as some people like to state, and talk of a mass clearout is just crazy. We can all agree that the holes in the squad have hamstrung our ability to score or defend as well as we would have liked and that this has clearly had a knock on effect on our confidence, but I would say that the managers inability to utilise the strengths that remain (whether that be through his selections, tactics, subs or whatever) has dented the players confidence and effectiveness a whole lot more. The team have been playing below their best too often and have surrendered games all too easily on more than just the odd occasion this season, and a lot of the responsibility for that rests with Roeder. He has failed to work with 'someone else's squad' and has failed to plug the obvious gaps with his own buys. However much I dislike the slack jowled basset and hope we tear his team a new arsehole this afternoon, his point sticks. Maybe it will work for us and wind Glenn and the lads up (jaysus I hope so), but these attacks on our manager can become a little embarrassing when there is little to find out there to defend the bloke.

It is easy to disagree, Redknapp is full of s*** as usual. Anybody who thinks we have "great" players is talking out of their arse. With only one proper striker all season long it's hardly a surprise we are where we are in the league. Not for me, as a group of players they should haver performed a damn sight better this season. And as for, "They should be right up there for what they have paid out", well sorry but he is right, the club has wasted stupid amounts of money over the years.

Well that is just farking ridiculous. Might as well give up and jack it all in if that's the case. Nobody better than Roeder can be persuaded to manage Newcastle? My arse.

As Joe Joyces assistant I presume.

And boy does Harry not pull his punches. Becoming a regular occurrence this, and (even though they are clearly just trying to exploit his weak spot), the worst part is that it is hard to disagree most of the time.

We can but dream. Indeed, fingers crossed and all that.

You would have at least thought they would have got paddy power or Guiness, not Boyle Sports This is Sunderland we are talking about. Besides money is money.

I don't get it?

Who does Brayson play for these days?

According to some people it is far from speculation. Would be as much an expensive mistake as Owen has been so far for me though. Ah, well, fingers crossed if true.

Eh, what has MON got to do with Roeder or our game against Arsenal?

It's not the dips in form, it is the pointless offenses and bad acting that people call him to task over. If he gets that arrogance out of his system, he can be a fantasic player for us in the future.

Negative negative bollocks, and considering we now see it as a trait noticable in far too many games this season, it is (Vic) down to Roeder.

You're absolutely right. The future looks very bright indeed.

We should have won, I predicted we'd win, and thankfully we did. Not likely, considering the way things have been going, but hopefully we might get a bit of confidence from this and fiinsh the season off with some decent football.

There are a number of solutions if there is. Primarily Roeder should shut the fuck up and gain respect through his teams before spouting shite, no? So Mr Roeder, what do you think of the appaling scenes in Europe over the weekend? No comment But aren't you a little bit concerned? No comment It doesn't concern you at all, what with you being manager of the only Premiership club to have qualified for Europe more times than the top four? No comment. Now fuck off my phone line, I've got some Turkish kebab orders to phone through Do you think anyone is interested in what he says? Most people care about opinions from those they respect. Roeder? He is nothing but a rent a quote when nobody of substance is willing to give a journalist their thoughts.

There are a number of solutions if there is. Primarily Roeder should shut the fuck up and gain respect through his teams before spouting shite, no?

This.

No brainer, has to be Distin, Huckerby,Gillespie, and Kluivert. First and foremost we need players with a feel for the club. blueyes.gif