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The board have allowed it to happen, there no action in the transfer market and very poor communication to the fans about the takeover has led to press speculation on just about every aspect of the club. Look at the Yanks at Liverpool, always on TV, their introduction to the English media was a tad cheesy, but at least the fans got a good idea of what they were about and what their plans are. We've had to make to with one half arsed interview and a couple of lines since, its not good enough. The fans are not in the best of moods and the board have put them there. I'm not happy with their efforts so far, i think they've been naive and amateurish since their arrival, and i cant see it getting any better.

True. But even SA had to come out and deny it, so us talking about it is fair enough. Thankfully, as most thought (but still feared) it was just paper shite.

You have to remember that they are Manchester United, one of the best teams in the world. They play 50+ games a season, and until Chelsea started spending extravagantly, it was perfectly normal for the best club in the country to have players in reserve who could get results against the non-big clubs, which the majority of the above names would have achieved.

Excellent assessment of him tbf.

That one really took the cake for me. He actually went to the bother of tapping up a player that wasn't even starting regularly for a team that went down that season as the worst top flight side since the start of the Premiership! I only really needed to say that one name didn't i? mackems.gif

Aye, there are other sane people that realise that signing Smith doesn't mean we can't sign defenders as well. A concept beyond the grasp of some. Don't know where people are getting that Smith is s****, he is a canny player. Ferguson doesn't sign or player s**** players, he would be a good addition to the squad. Djembax2 Kleberson Fletcher Tiabi Howard Silverstre Saha Smith Veron Fortune May Barthez Dong Poborsky Cruyff Nevland Prunier Was still adding: Goram Bosnich Blomqvist Ricardo Jordi Cryuff Greening Bellion!!!!

Aye, there are other sane people that realise that signing Smith doesn't mean we can't sign defenders as well. A concept beyond the grasp of some. Don't know where people are getting that Smith is shite, he is a canny player. Ferguson doesn't sign or player shite players, he would be a good addition to the squad. Djembax2 Kleberson Fletcher Tiabi Howard Silverstre Saha Smith Veron Fortune May Barthez Dong Goram Bosnich Blomqvist Ricardo Jordi Cryuff Greening Bellion!!!!

Not youtube clips mate, results in a ban. Remove em cheers.

I'm just happy he's on the pitch again, i also hope he gets to play is many different positions to give his talent a chance to grow and develop into a great all rounder. Never been to bad at tackling, so if he plays LB sometimes that's ok with me. Would be nice to have a left winger in the future who understands whats required of a LB, and how to support him fully. Overall though, left wing, possible centre left depending on formations.

That's it like. It doesn't take much digging to find whats going on here, or be in the ball park of what going on. So there might be a few hidden surprises, but surly nothing to threaten the existence of the club, which is what they are making out. Financial media now jumping on us, but it was always going to happen with someone like Mike Ashley, his problems ATM with SD, and his reclusiveness which is breeding rumour after rumour.

Eggs = kids. Probably kids of other NUFC players living around the area.

Apart from one serious injury his record isnt bad. He hasnt played up front for Man Utd often enough to assess whether his goal record is disgusting or not. Similarly at Leeds he was used on the wing/right of three. Never going to be prolific but it should be assumed his role here will be in midfield given our options up front. Not a bad player but as has been mentioned elsewhere, the pace is going from the team. Its easy for the mongs on the board to drag their knuckles whilst that happens though. Not so easy to recruit anyone with real pace though - something top teams now have and we dont. He played upfront about 70% of his Leeds career and scored about 20 goals in 4 seasons or something as shite as that. He's a terrible midfielder and we have better on the books. His pace is all but gone after his last injury, he brings nothing to the table apart from a nasty streak a mile wide. We don't need him upfront (and even if we did sell Martins or Owen i'd want better than this) and we don't need him in midfield, SAF stuck with him there longer than he should of, the rest of the team carried him, it was a godsend for Manu he broke his leg. You're going WAY over the top in your criticism of him tbh. He's nowhere near the absolute shithouse you're making him out to be. He's a decent Premiership player and would be a good addition to the squad. You make him out to be a less talented version of Sibierski with a bad attitude. I've said nothing that not true. He's not a midfielder, he was poor and holding Manu back when playing in centre park for them. Upfront he's nothing more than worker, someone to assist as he very rarely gets amongst the goals. So where are we supposed to be buying him for? Its not going to be up front unless one of our strikers is leaving and if we replace Owen a natural goalscorer, or Martins natural pace and strength, with Smith who has none of that, then we really are down grading big style. If he's to replace Dyer, i'd rather keep Dyer, and i hate the prick. He's not REPLACING anyone. He's an ADDITION to the squad. Why can't people get their head around the concept of building a squad of players to allow us some rotation/cover? There are games and situations where a player like Smith could be well employed both up front or in midfield. It's called having options. If were splashing out £6m on ADDITIONS to the squad then Alan Smith would be about 250th on the list of players who we need right now. Scraping around for coins down the sofa so we can bring in defenders then spending £6m on Smith. Aye, perfect sense that is. I think the fact that we're spending £6m on Smith is evidence enough that we aren't scraping around for the cash to buy anyone tbh - I'm sure if there was a £6m left back on the market that we wanted and thought we could get, we'd spend the money on him instead of/as well as Smith. Obviously we need defenders, but until I hear an announcement from the club that we're signing Smith instead of defenders, I'll not get too worried about it. Its not fact were spending £6m on Smith, not yet at least, but what is fact is we've spent less than £3m on defenders and the season starts in about two weeks. Yeah, I'm aware of that. Ok then, the "suggestion" that we're spending £6m on Smith "suggests" that we aren't scraping around for money for anyone. Spending money on Smith has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that we still need defenders, or on our ability to also spend money on defenders. If Allardyce knows that he's only got £6m to spend and is spunking it on Smith then yeah, it's daft, but do you really think that that's what's happening? Cos I don't. His reputation is on the line and he's not just going to be content to spend for the sake of spending. I don't know what is happening, i wish i did, its getting beyond rediculous ATM but putting our situation aside, Alan Smith for £6m is still not a good buy and is double what he's really worth. If it was £6m on an actual midfielder, then i'd be welcome to the move even with our problems as we do have a thing squad, but Smith isn't a mid, isn't worth the money, isn't needed at the club, and we should be looking elsewhere. I can't even begin to contemplate him coming to our club for such a fee, a fee more than Barton, who is a midfielder by trade. When Michael Chopra is going for £5m, I'd say £6m for Smith is the going rate tbh. We'll just have to agree to disagree on his worth to the squad, as I think he'll make a good addition and give us some much needed depth. Mate if Chopra is worth £5m, Smith is worth £10m, but i'm not of either opinion. Fair enough, if he signs he will get my support, but if he doesn't i think we've had a lucky escape. (The fact Roy Keane hasn't gone in (and has for Chopra) for him says it all imo)

Apart from one serious injury his record isnt bad. He hasnt played up front for Man Utd often enough to assess whether his goal record is disgusting or not. Similarly at Leeds he was used on the wing/right of three. Never going to be prolific but it should be assumed his role here will be in midfield given our options up front. Not a bad player but as has been mentioned elsewhere, the pace is going from the team. Its easy for the mongs on the board to drag their knuckles whilst that happens though. Not so easy to recruit anyone with real pace though - something top teams now have and we dont. He played upfront about 70% of his Leeds career and scored about 20 goals in 4 seasons or something as shite as that. He's a terrible midfielder and we have better on the books. His pace is all but gone after his last injury, he brings nothing to the table apart from a nasty streak a mile wide. We don't need him upfront (and even if we did sell Martins or Owen i'd want better than this) and we don't need him in midfield, SAF stuck with him there longer than he should of, the rest of the team carried him, it was a godsend for Manu he broke his leg. You're going WAY over the top in your criticism of him tbh. He's nowhere near the absolute shithouse you're making him out to be. He's a decent Premiership player and would be a good addition to the squad. You make him out to be a less talented version of Sibierski with a bad attitude. I've said nothing that not true. He's not a midfielder, he was poor and holding Manu back when playing in centre park for them. Upfront he's nothing more than worker, someone to assist as he very rarely gets amongst the goals. So where are we supposed to be buying him for? Its not going to be up front unless one of our strikers is leaving and if we replace Owen a natural goalscorer, or Martins natural pace and strength, with Smith who has none of that, then we really are down grading big style. If he's to replace Dyer, i'd rather keep Dyer, and i hate the prick. He's not REPLACING anyone. He's an ADDITION to the squad. Why can't people get their head around the concept of building a squad of players to allow us some rotation/cover? There are games and situations where a player like Smith could be well employed both up front or in midfield. It's called having options. If were splashing out £6m on ADDITIONS to the squad then Alan Smith would be about 250th on the list of players who we need right now. Scraping around for coins down the sofa so we can bring in defenders then spending £6m on Smith. Aye, perfect sense that is. I think the fact that we're spending £6m on Smith is evidence enough that we aren't scraping around for the cash to buy anyone tbh - I'm sure if there was a £6m left back on the market that we wanted and thought we could get, we'd spend the money on him instead of/as well as Smith. Obviously we need defenders, but until I hear an announcement from the club that we're signing Smith instead of defenders, I'll not get too worried about it. Its not fact were spending £6m on Smith, not yet at least, but what is fact is we've spent less than £3m on defenders and the season starts in about two weeks. Yeah, I'm aware of that. Ok then, the "suggestion" that we're spending £6m on Smith "suggests" that we aren't scraping around for money for anyone. Spending money on Smith has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that we still need defenders, or on our ability to also spend money on defenders. If Allardyce knows that he's only got £6m to spend and is spunking it on Smith then yeah, it's daft, but do you really think that that's what's happening? Cos I don't. His reputation is on the line and he's not just going to be content to spend for the sake of spending. I don't know what is happening, i wish i did, its getting beyond rediculous ATM but putting our situation aside, Alan Smith for £6m is still not a good buy and is double what he's really worth. If it was £6m on an actual midfielder, then i'd be welcome to the move even with our problems as we do have a thing squad, but Smith isn't a mid, isn't worth the money, isn't needed at the club, and we should be looking elsewhere. I can't even begin to contemplate him coming to our club for such a fee, a fee more than Barton, who is a midfielder by trade.

Apart from one serious injury his record isnt bad. He hasnt played up front for Man Utd often enough to assess whether his goal record is disgusting or not. Similarly at Leeds he was used on the wing/right of three. Never going to be prolific but it should be assumed his role here will be in midfield given our options up front. Not a bad player but as has been mentioned elsewhere, the pace is going from the team. Its easy for the mongs on the board to drag their knuckles whilst that happens though. Not so easy to recruit anyone with real pace though - something top teams now have and we dont. He played upfront about 70% of his Leeds career and scored about 20 goals in 4 seasons or something as shite as that. He's a terrible midfielder and we have better on the books. His pace is all but gone after his last injury, he brings nothing to the table apart from a nasty streak a mile wide. We don't need him upfront (and even if we did sell Martins or Owen i'd want better than this) and we don't need him in midfield, SAF stuck with him there longer than he should of, the rest of the team carried him, it was a godsend for Manu he broke his leg. You're going WAY over the top in your criticism of him tbh. He's nowhere near the absolute shithouse you're making him out to be. He's a decent Premiership player and would be a good addition to the squad. You make him out to be a less talented version of Sibierski with a bad attitude. I've said nothing that not true. He's not a midfielder, he was poor and holding Manu back when playing in centre park for them. Upfront he's nothing more than worker, someone to assist as he very rarely gets amongst the goals. So where are we supposed to be buying him for? Its not going to be up front unless one of our strikers is leaving and if we replace Owen a natural goalscorer, or Martins natural pace and strength, with Smith who has none of that, then we really are down grading big style. If he's to replace Dyer, i'd rather keep Dyer, and i hate the prick. He's not REPLACING anyone. He's an ADDITION to the squad. Why can't people get their head around the concept of building a squad of players to allow us some rotation/cover? There are games and situations where a player like Smith could be well employed both up front or in midfield. It's called having options. If were splashing out £6m on ADDITIONS to the squad then Alan Smith would be about 250th on the list of players who we need right now. Scraping around for coins down the sofa so we can bring in defenders then spending £6m on Smith. Aye, perfect sense that is. I think the fact that we're spending £6m on Smith is evidence enough that we aren't scraping around for the cash to buy anyone tbh - I'm sure if there was a £6m left back on the market that we wanted and thought we could get, we'd spend the money on him instead of/as well as Smith. Obviously we need defenders, but until I hear an announcement from the club that we're signing Smith instead of defenders, I'll not get too worried about it. Its not fact were spending £6m on Smith, not yet at least, but what is fact is we've spent less than £3m on defenders and the season starts in about two weeks.

Wins the league for Real then signs for Atletico. They've brought in some talent with the Torres money so far.

Are we scraping round for coins to sign defenders though? We just put a £7m bid in for a defender the other day, remember. According to the Chronicle This.

Apart from one serious injury his record isnt bad. He hasnt played up front for Man Utd often enough to assess whether his goal record is disgusting or not. Similarly at Leeds he was used on the wing/right of three. Never going to be prolific but it should be assumed his role here will be in midfield given our options up front. Not a bad player but as has been mentioned elsewhere, the pace is going from the team. Its easy for the mongs on the board to drag their knuckles whilst that happens though. Not so easy to recruit anyone with real pace though - something top teams now have and we dont. He played upfront about 70% of his Leeds career and scored about 20 goals in 4 seasons or something as shite as that. He's a terrible midfielder and we have better on the books. His pace is all but gone after his last injury, he brings nothing to the table apart from a nasty streak a mile wide. We don't need him upfront (and even if we did sell Martins or Owen i'd want better than this) and we don't need him in midfield, SAF stuck with him there longer than he should of, the rest of the team carried him, it was a godsend for Manu he broke his leg. You're going WAY over the top in your criticism of him tbh. He's nowhere near the absolute shithouse you're making him out to be. He's a decent Premiership player and would be a good addition to the squad. You make him out to be a less talented version of Sibierski with a bad attitude. I've said nothing that not true. He's not a midfielder, he was poor and holding Manu back when playing in centre park for them. Upfront he's nothing more than worker, someone to assist as he very rarely gets amongst the goals. So where are we supposed to be buying him for? Its not going to be up front unless one of our strikers is leaving and if we replace Owen a natural goalscorer, or Martins natural pace and strength, with Smith who has none of that, then we really are down grading big style. If he's to replace Dyer, i'd rather keep Dyer, and i hate the prick. He's not REPLACING anyone. He's an ADDITION to the squad. Why can't people get their head around the concept of building a squad of players to allow us some rotation/cover? There are games and situations where a player like Smith could be well employed both up front or in midfield. It's called having options. If were splashing out £6m on ADDITIONS to the squad then Alan Smith would be about 250th on the list of players who we need right now. Scraping around for coins down the sofa so we can bring in defenders then spending £6m on Smith. Aye, perfect sense that is.

Apart from one serious injury his record isnt bad. He hasnt played up front for Man Utd often enough to assess whether his goal record is disgusting or not. Similarly at Leeds he was used on the wing/right of three. Never going to be prolific but it should be assumed his role here will be in midfield given our options up front. Not a bad player but as has been mentioned elsewhere, the pace is going from the team. Its easy for the mongs on the board to drag their knuckles whilst that happens though. Not so easy to recruit anyone with real pace though - something top teams now have and we dont. He played upfront about 70% of his Leeds career and scored about 20 goals in 4 seasons or something as shite as that. He's a terrible midfielder and we have better on the books. His pace is all but gone after his last injury, he brings nothing to the table apart from a nasty streak a mile wide. We don't need him upfront (and even if we did sell Martins or Owen i'd want better than this) and we don't need him in midfield, SAF stuck with him there longer than he should of, the rest of the team carried him, it was a godsend for Manu he broke his leg. You're going WAY over the top in your criticism of him tbh. He's nowhere near the absolute shithouse you're making him out to be. He's a decent Premiership player and would be a good addition to the squad. You make him out to be a less talented version of Sibierski with a bad attitude. I've said nothing that not true. He's not a midfielder, he was poor and holding Manu back when playing in centre park for them. Upfront he's nothing more than worker, someone to assist as he very rarely gets amongst the goals. So where are we supposed to be buying him for? Its not going to be up front unless one of our strikers is leaving and if we replace Owen a natural goalscorer, or Martins natural pace and strength, with Smith who has none of that, then we really are down grading big style. If he's to replace Dyer, i'd rather keep Dyer, and i hate the prick.

He's good enough for Championship, nothing against Leeds but he needs testing more than league one.

Apart from one serious injury his record isnt bad. He hasnt played up front for Man Utd often enough to assess whether his goal record is disgusting or not. Similarly at Leeds he was used on the wing/right of three. Never going to be prolific but it should be assumed his role here will be in midfield given our options up front. Not a bad player but as has been mentioned elsewhere, the pace is going from the team. Its easy for the mongs on the board to drag their knuckles whilst that happens though. Not so easy to recruit anyone with real pace though - something top teams now have and we dont. He played upfront about 70% of his Leeds career and scored about 20 goals in 4 seasons or something as shite as that. He's a terrible midfielder and we have better on the books. His pace is all but gone after his last injury, he brings nothing to the table apart from a nasty streak a mile wide. We don't need him upfront (and even if we did sell Martins or Owen i'd want better than this) and we don't need him in midfield, SAF stuck with him there longer than he should of, the rest of the team carried him, it was a godsend for Manu he broke his leg.

One thing after another, the story does tie in well though with currents events at the club.

I wouldn't even take him for half that amount. His goal ratio is disgusting and he's always injured.

No chance we'd put him up for sale, he's a huge asset and perfect for when Owen gets injured for 6 months and the club stop this obsession with a Owen-Viduka partnership, as the only partnership that will work.

Where did I say he was a God? Or did you make that up? Alex also pointed out that Dyers willingness wasnt at fault - I assume he is pathetic too? Fans' like yourself who condone the booing of a player in our colours are clearly not the brightest. And to accept it is to condone it before you start rattling on about 'I didnt...'. That you arent the brightest is evident in most of the tripe you tend to spout. If we are at loggerheads in our opinions then that is fine by me. If you are unable to debate in a civil manner then that in itself is sad. There are many intelligent Newcastle fans who have followed the club for over 30 years and get irritated by bairns who don't know their arse from their elbow. So I would hardly call us a dying breed. Sadly some of the new generation with the wit of pondlife seem all too happy to suggest their idea is everyone elses. It isn't. For that we can be happy. Nb: A few flashy moments involved being integral to 3 top 5 finishes. Prior to that he was also one of the few who could make things happen. He needs a change of scene. Our revival in the last season coincided with his return. That is fact. However, if he is here next season then he will get my support simply because of the shirt he is wearing. Whether I like him or not. Once he is gone it will be a different story. Ask your mam why its best not to shit on your own doorstep. Maybe she can explain it to you in your own language. Dyer had fuk all to do with our good positions. He did his best to corrupt young talent and to give us a 'bling bling' tag because of the way he saw what being a footballer is all about. A couple of flashy moments is enough to impress morons like yourself, more seasoned fans will see Dyer was nothing but trouble for our club and cost a great manager the sack. Another pathetic fan that cant see past someone who runs very fast, a simpleton, thats all you are, a dying breed. Toon fans have grown up leaving shit stains like you behind, thank god that the rubbish is being taking out. "Pie" continues to show all the symptoms of a rabid toontastic loonie, clever lad types who think everyone who disagrees with them is "thick" ie feels a constant need to tell everyone how clever he is. Thats 3 or 4 people he thinks are "thick" in this thread alone. Winchester mag for starters is one of the most dedicated NUFC fans going. Pie is probably a fuckin dustman. He's clearly got a chip on his grubby shoulder, from where he lifts his bins. I'm biting, i shouldn't, i know, but any fan worth his salt can reasonably sum up Dyers effect on this club, and it certainly isn't positive. I slightly changed my post, but treat him with the disdain he deserves. Dyer has been a shitbag on the club. He has had talent, yes, but he has spunked the whole lot away, promised everything, delivered nothing, and took us for a ride for the last 5 or 6 years. If life really is what you make of it, Dyer should be signing on, nothing more than that. To think we made him a millionaire 10 times over is sickening.

Where did I say he was a God? Or did you make that up? Alex also pointed out that Dyers willingness wasnt at fault - I assume he is pathetic too? Fans' like yourself who condone the booing of a player in our colours are clearly not the brightest. And to accept it is to condone it before you start rattling on about 'I didnt...'. That you arent the brightest is evident in most of the tripe you tend to spout. If we are at loggerheads in our opinions then that is fine by me. If you are unable to debate in a civil manner then that in itself is sad. There are many intelligent Newcastle fans who have followed the club for over 30 years and get irritated by bairns who don't know their arse from their elbow. So I would hardly call us a dying breed. Sadly some of the new generation with the wit of pondlife seem all too happy to suggest their idea is everyone elses. It isn't. For that we can be happy. Nb: A few flashy moments involved being integral to 3 top 5 finishes. Prior to that he was also one of the few who could make things happen. He needs a change of scene. Our revival in the last season coincided with his return. That is fact. However, if he is here next season then he will get my support simply because of the shirt he is wearing. Whether I like him or not. Once he is gone it will be a different story. Ask your mam why its best not to shit on your own doorstep. Maybe she can explain it to you in your own language. Dyer had fuk all to do with our good positions. He did his best to corrupt young talent and to give us a 'bling bling' tag because of the way he saw what being a footballer is all about. A couple of flashy moments is enough to impress morons like yourself, more seasoned fans will see Dyer was nothing but trouble for our club and cost a great manager the sack. Another pathetic fan that cant see past someone who runs very fast, a simpleton, thats all you are, a dying breed. Toon fans have grown up leaving shit stains like you behind, thank god that the rubbish is being taking out. "Pie" continues to show all the symptoms of a rabid toontastic loonie, clever lad types who think everyone who disagrees with them is "thick" ie feels a constant need to tell everyone how clever he is. Thats 3 or 4 people he thinks are "thick" in this thread alone. Winchester mag for starters is one of the most dedicated NUFC fans going. Pie is probably a fuckin dustman. He's clearly got a chip on his grubby shoulder, from where he lifts his bins. I'm biting, i shouldn't, i know, but any fan worth his salt can reasonably sum up Dyers effect on this club, and it certainly isn't positive.