toontownman

Heads should have rolled along with McClaren tbh.

Terrible choice for country and Shearer if they went with that. He might not do a bad job with the right people around him and given the best support but its a great risk for him, if it goes tits up where does he go from there? Cappello or someone with an appeasing CV will only be good enough for me. To be honest I dont want to see Shearer thrown to the wolves, just yet.

Outside chance of all the home nations giving it a crack this time. If Scotland and N.Ireland plays aswell as they have been, they could really be in with a shout.

The only shining light to come from the darkness today. Some fantastic blocks and tackles. The more he plays the better he is going to get, going to be a huge player for us over the next couple of years imo.

fuck off kev tbh. But yes, we did play better football under Roeder than we are at the moment. We will improve though.. I mean we have to right?

Whilst Butt played no worse than most I wouldnt say he played remotely worse. The midfield were particularly shocking today, couldnt get a foot on the ball, gave the defence no protection and gave the ball away with ease whenever we had it. The lack of effort tracking back for the third goal was a joke. Butt just let Babel straight past him then gave up, leaving him in acres of space to slot home. Emre looked unfit and lost today. Whilst I understand taking off Emre was stupid as he was one of the only players capable of conjuring something, he looked knackered and completely out of sorts. I would have liked to have seen Emre and Barton in the middle though and Smith make way, but i doubt it would have made a shred of difference.

keep at the very least til the summer.

Who the hell is? Other than that the rest is the be all end all. Anyone in the crowd enlightened Ashley to the Hitzfeld campaign?

To be fair N'Zogbia was one of the worst players on the pitch. It wouldnt have mattered who he took off.

If we move quickly we could probably snare McLaren or Jol.

its the shirts thats the problem.

Completely, Sam has signed some great players and will given money. Apparently its motivating them and using them in the right positions and formations to playing like they should or can thats the problem. We desperatley need a playmaker or two and a pacey winger Im confident we will get at least half of my order in january.

Viduka is woefully short of match fitness to rip apart. Its pretty harsh to pin any blame on him, especially as he had no support from midfield or anyone else.

Do we? I would say for now, yes we do. If we dont give him the season were going to look like the revolving door of managers like we always have done, lessening the limited appeal the job already has. TBH England could do us a massive favour, but i doubt they'd go for him after his performance so far at NUFC. Cool. That "Do we?" wasn't my own personal judgment on the matter, was just wondering what people thought. I hastily said "Sam out" earlier in this thread but I know it's not anywhere near as simple as that. What do you think then? It is tough, other factors are tied up in this for a change, its not like a simple sacking like Souness, although if the board wanted, the excuse could be it wasn't their man. Going to cost about £6m though to sack him, then probably the same again to get a decent manager in. I'd rather he received that money in the window to buy some more players, and let him see out the season. I don't even have a clear opinion on the matter anymore, like i said before, i really am not trying to naturally react in a bad way about this, but my opinion all season is it hasn't been good enough, this has just confirmed to everyone it hasn't been and i don't want to lead the stupidity pack by calling for his head right now. We dont Have to stick with him obviously. But Im fed up of this revolving doors policy, when does it end, it wont be the same with anyone else. A few losses whilst he is trying to impliment his own ideas and we will be straight back in the same position. Its far too soon to be sacking Sam for me, however mystifying the recent ineptness of our team and the tactics consistency is the key and we are yet to have a settled team or formation. People want too much too soon and hopes and aims are finally becoming more real as we find out how behind other teams we are. Its not just a case of putting managers off coming here either, certain players arent going to stick around or want to come to such an inconsistent set up.

Completely, too slow to the punch, no closing down, far too sloppy on control and possession was even more lacking than the entertainment.

Hard to take but we need to stick with allardyce.. Quite why he cant find a football team out of all the players we have I have no idea. It will click in time, but with shit like today on show he isnt going to get enough of what he desires. Is he tinkering too much? I hope so because I thought he was just trying to get results this season whilst slowly implimenting his ideas. If these are his tactics to get results, things are ominous to say the least.

Yet again another woefull performance, just when you think the performances cant dip any lower. Worse than Roeder and Souness? Probably not by much, but then neither of the former managers had the level of so called talent at their disposal. Fair play to Beye, but there isnt anyone else worthy of keeping a starting place after today. Bring on January. We have to stick with allardyce though, he tried to play as defensive as he could and tried to keep it tight and scrappy, it backfired again in his face and he had no clues to turn things round. Another tough learning lesson for those on the payroll and another waste of time for the support that flatters the quality on show.

Amen to that. Beye has been the shining light in a shower of shit. We just dont look sharp enough, and are way too sloppy in possesion. Smith seemed to come alive in the last 10 mins, but its a woeful effort so far. N'Zogbia, has been poo, Emre has been sloppy as hell and geremi looks slow and bumbling in possesion. I can understand Viduka not being match fit. Considering the system change we havent done too badly, but we sit far to deep and no-one ventures forward or tries to create other than long balls. I hope sam fires a rocket up their asses because its the least they deserve.

Followed by faye...Makes kilcline look like a pussy cat. well maybe not

morphing into lee bowyer. looking a liability at the moment but im sure he will bed in given time. lets just hope its not studs bedded in a players head

Came here to try and become a player like gerrard

Would hate him to turn out to be our prolific top scorer for a couple of seasons after paying peanuts for him

But he has already signed for everton! not convinced he would adapt but we are so void of creativity sam is putting tony hart on the bench. pray he doesnt get injured because gazza is just waiting in the wings.

Chopra couldnt have been built up more. chris holland? was another one although some cunt throwing ammonia in his eyes didnt help him. shame for the lad. good shout should go out to the winners of that soccer stars show that never made it over long enough to stay for the prize. And less we forget pinas.

Quality words from steve gibson on the bbc. the uk gets more namby panby by the day.