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Right fine you're talking about the start of the season only. So we started 2012-2013 with the following players missing/added compared to the start of the previous season: In: Cisse Amalfitano Bigirimana Good Anita Out: Guthrie Lovenkrands Smith Kadar Best Forster Shocking downgrade that like.. Cisse came in the January to replace Carroll so take him out... Guthrie + Best tower above the names you mention coming in... Not only that they actually showed on the pitch when called upon the season we finished 5th... You said you were only talking about the start of the season, Cisse wasn't here at the start of 2011-2012. What exactly do you want to compare here?, because it seems like a mishmash of whatever suits your argument. Start of this season... Hence we already had Cisse Best and Guthrie... We sold the later two and replaced them with Anita+Bigi (for Guthrie which you argued but even 2 put together has proved a downgrade so far in my eyes) and Best which we've not replaced just played Shola more which in my eyes is a downgrade also... Hence me saying we started THIS season with a smaller squad (your outs (6) are more than your ins (5) and thats not for accounting the waste that was Xisco and Ranger)... And in my eyes a poorer squad ... Hope that is clear enough? Just seems like you're narrowing things down to a very specific period here, anything else gets to be ignored. Even then its a pretty weak argument, Bigi's looked a good player to me, but very underutilised, same with Anita. Also while Guthrie and Best played well in a winning team last season neither of them are particularly good players there's no reason to believe those two could carry us. We also haven't improved overall since January despite some more very good players coming in. Pardew consistently bewilders me with his tactics and team selections, I'm not going to blame his failures on transfers. Not really... It's the period from finishing one season and starting the next... In my eyes we started this season with a smaller and weaker squad than last... Smaller i don't think can be argued as we sold/released more than we brought in... Quality can always be argued which is fair enough hence me arguing that Guthrie outperformed last season what Anita+Bigi have done this season... Best simply has not been replaced and i thought he contributed massively until Cisse arrived in the January (belatedly to replace Carroll from the previous January) of last season putting us in a very strong position for Cisse to pick up from which he did brilliantly... Basically all I'm saying is we should've bought who we did in January in the summer... The couple of million saved buying in the Winter transfer window would i'm guessing be easily made up with a higher league position that may of been achieved and they would've been all eligible for the Europe... It would've built nicely on the momentum we'd gathered and not had to play as many players early in the season who at times looked clearly unfit also at the same time give AP a fair chance to be judged... I definitely agree we should have done more in the summer, think everyone would agree with that. Though I think it would probably have cost around £15m extra to sign the same players in the summer as we ended up getting in January. Would only have cost us a couple of extra million to get Debuchy in, which would have made a significant difference. Though its hard to justify caving in to his club asking for one fee and then moving the goal posts late on. You really reckon the difference would be £15m?... I know neither of us know for sure but i would hazard a guess nearer the £5m mark... Yes summer was a missed opportunity... We've seen under KK and SBR what momentum can bring to this club especially... I feel that has been lost and our new players have all been tarnished to an extent already with relegation woes and a heavy derby loss... The end of this season can't come quick enough for me... Hopefully starting the next in the same division... In summer 2012 both Sissoko and Gouffran had just over a year left on their contracts, no panic at all at that point for either club to sell them. At an absolute minimum maybe we could have got them both for £10m. We ended up paying £2m (?) for both (mostly because they'd already agreed to join us for nothing at the end of their current contracts). Then there's Debuchy who we ended up getting for the original £5.75m we had turned down in the summer. Also wasn't Yanga-Mbiwa's contract running down in January? EDIT: Checked and Yanga-Mbiwa actually had 2 years left apparently.

He's a much better 'footballer' than Tiote and is (this bit is funny) better physically than Anita. We could've done with him. When he's at his best he's a really good Footballer, but it was very rare.

His plan is to play Cisse off Carroll. It's so patently obvious. Carroll will be here in the summer. Obvious he wants him here, just got to hope the club have more sense and sack him instead.

Right fine you're talking about the start of the season only. So we started 2012-2013 with the following players missing/added compared to the start of the previous season: In: Cisse Amalfitano Bigirimana Good Anita Out: Guthrie Lovenkrands Smith Kadar Best Forster Shocking downgrade that like.. Cisse came in the January to replace Carroll so take him out... Guthrie + Best tower above the names you mention coming in... Not only that they actually showed on the pitch when called upon the season we finished 5th... You said you were only talking about the start of the season, Cisse wasn't here at the start of 2011-2012. What exactly do you want to compare here?, because it seems like a mishmash of whatever suits your argument. Start of this season... Hence we already had Cisse Best and Guthrie... We sold the later two and replaced them with Anita+Bigi (for Guthrie which you argued but even 2 put together has proved a downgrade so far in my eyes) and Best which we've not replaced just played Shola more which in my eyes is a downgrade also... Hence me saying we started THIS season with a smaller squad (your outs (6) are more than your ins (5) and thats not for accounting the waste that was Xisco and Ranger)... And in my eyes a poorer squad ... Hope that is clear enough? Just seems like you're narrowing things down to a very specific period here, anything else gets to be ignored. Even then its a pretty weak argument, Bigi's looked a good player to me, but very underutilised, same with Anita. Also while Guthrie and Best played well in a winning team last season neither of them are particularly good players there's no reason to believe those two could carry us. We also haven't improved overall since January despite some more very good players coming in. Pardew consistently bewilders me with his tactics and team selections, I'm not going to blame his failures on transfers. Not really... It's the period from finishing one season and starting the next... In my eyes we started this season with a smaller and weaker squad than last... Smaller i don't think can be argued as we sold/released more than we brought in... Quality can always be argued which is fair enough hence me arguing that Guthrie outperformed last season what Anita+Bigi have done this season... Best simply has not been replaced and i thought he contributed massively until Cisse arrived in the January (belatedly to replace Carroll from the previous January) of last season putting us in a very strong position for Cisse to pick up from which he did brilliantly... Basically all I'm saying is we should've bought who we did in January in the summer... The couple of million saved buying in the Winter transfer window would i'm guessing be easily made up with a higher league position that may of been achieved and they would've been all eligible for the Europe... It would've built nicely on the momentum we'd gathered and not had to play as many players early in the season who at times looked clearly unfit also at the same time give AP a fair chance to be judged... I definitely agree we should have done more in the summer, think everyone would agree with that. Though I think it would probably have cost around £15m extra to sign the same players in the summer as we ended up getting in January. Would only have cost us a couple of extra million to get Debuchy in, which would have made a significant difference. Though its hard to justify caving in to his club asking for one fee and then moving the goal posts late on.

Based on what? Volatile personality, limited resources, fascist views, lack of experience, there are loads. What I was responding to was the hint in bimpy's post that it doesn't matter that Di Canio was a lower league manager, but it does matter that Pardew was. I think Di Canio will probably start to get bored after a while so I don't think he'll do so well long term, but I would expect the next 12 months to be infinitely better for Sunderland than they ever would under O'Neill. We'll see, but I'm not convinced. They seemed to be the early O'Neill team to me on Sunday, it took 3 long range strikes to get that result and they never looked particularly creative despite breaking in numbers. They will most likely endure a honeymoon period until the end of the season but come next year, I think he'll be found out. Once things settle I think they'll be picked off with such gung-ho counter attacking and they'll sink back to the style that they were playing under O'Neill. The big challenge is going to be the first time things go wrong, can he take any abuse from the fans?, can he motivate players without pissing them off or deciding they'll never play for him again at the drop of a hat?

We got a boost at the time, but we've been settling back down to pre-January levels ever since.

Right fine you're talking about the start of the season only. So we started 2012-2013 with the following players missing/added compared to the start of the previous season: In: Cisse Amalfitano Bigirimana Good Anita Out: Guthrie Lovenkrands Smith Kadar Best Forster Shocking downgrade that like.. Cisse came in the January to replace Carroll so take him out... Guthrie + Best tower above the names you mention coming in... Not only that they actually showed on the pitch when called upon the season we finished 5th... You said you were only talking about the start of the season, Cisse wasn't here at the start of 2011-2012. What exactly do you want to compare here?, because it seems like a mishmash of whatever suits your argument. Start of this season... Hence we already had Cisse Best and Guthrie... We sold the later two and replaced them with Anita+Bigi (for Guthrie which you argued but even 2 put together has proved a downgrade so far in my eyes) and Best which we've not replaced just played Shola more which in my eyes is a downgrade also... Hence me saying we started THIS season with a smaller squad (your outs (6) are more than your ins (5) and thats not for accounting the waste that was Xisco and Ranger)... And in my eyes a poorer squad ... Hope that is clear enough? Just seems like you're narrowing things down to a very specific period here. Also I think Bigi's looked a good player to me, but very underutilised, same with Anita. While Guthrie and Best played well in a winning team last season neither of them are particularly good players (Guthrie played well here for all of a few months out of his entire Newcastle career) there's no reason to believe those two could carry us. I did like Best though and always thought he was worth keeping, certainly ahead of Shola. We also haven't improved overall since January despite some more very good players coming in. Pardew consistently bewilders me with his tactics and team selections, I'm not going to blame his failures on transfers. I mean nobody was happy when we didn't push on an improve the squad in the summer, but its no excuse for where we are.

Right fine you're talking about the start of the season only. So we started 2012-2013 with the following players missing/added compared to the start of the previous season: In: Cisse Amalfitano Bigirimana Good Anita Out: Guthrie Lovenkrands Smith Kadar Best Forster Shocking downgrade that like.. Cisse came in the January to replace Carroll so take him out... Guthrie + Best tower above the names you mention coming in... Not only that they actually showed on the pitch when called upon the season we finished 5th... I won't take Cisse out. You said you were only talking about the start of the season, so I've compared the differences in the squad from the start of each season in 2011-2012 and 2012-2013. You can't start ignoring differences in squads from one season to the next because you think that player A was meant to replace player B from the season before that. The fact is the squad Pardew started the season with wasn't a significant downgrade on the one

Right fine you're talking about the start of the season only. So we started 2012-2013 with the following players missing/added compared to the start of the previous season: In: Cisse Amalfitano Bigirimana Good Anita Out: Guthrie Lovenkrands Smith Kadar Best Forster Shocking downgrade that like..

He started the season with a smaller squad with less quality than the previous season but with an added competition... I personally don't think it takes a genius to see where some of the problems lie... That's pretty arguable like. Argue it then... We lost Guthrie and Best off the top of my head straight away which we did not replace from a squad everyone agreed was too small to start with the year before... This time we had the Europa league to contend with... We lost Guthrie and brought in Anita and Bigiramana, we lost Best but he was sort of already replaced by Cisse for the start of this season. Lost Ba since then and so far haven't replaced him directly but there's no doubt we've strengthened in the same window by bringing in Yanga-Mbiwa, Debuchy, Gouffran, Haidara and Sissoko. Its really pretty hard to claim that Pardew is simply being let down by transfers.

He started the season with a smaller squad with less quality than the previous season but with an added competition... I personally don't think it takes a genius to see where some of the problems lie... I was talking about last season Ba, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Santon, Cisse & Marveaux were all bought for him. Regardless of how much was spent he had a very strong squad assembled for him. As for the last sentence, if the manager not being up to task is one of those problems then I agree. Ben Arfa was already there... And you don't mention all the players we lost... Ba has gone... So that leaves Cabaye who's had as many poor games as good... Same can be said for Santon and Marveaux... Cisse has done well but he has had to replace Carroll+Best in reality... I think some on here massively over-hype our players to compensate the criticism of a manager ... The truth normally lies much closer down the middle... Yeah Ba has gone and in came Yanga-Mbiwa, Debuchy, Gouffran, Haidara and Sissoko. Pardew's had plenty of quality bought for him, he's mis-managed the massive majority of them.

He started the season with a smaller squad with less quality than the previous season but with an added competition... I personally don't think it takes a genius to see where some of the problems lie... That's pretty arguable like.

The derby loss was sickening and empitomised Pardew's management of the club this season. But personally I don't see the derby as automatically the most important game of the season and certainly not the way I measure the clubs success or failure. We've gone into games this season one place off the relegation zone desperately needing the points, those were all more important games at the time and I measure Newcastle's success through where they are in the league not if we beat Sunderland or not.

You're just looking at other teams with rose tinted glasss and at us with a crazy amount of pessemism. We havent gone 5 games without picking up points this season and no team in our position has ever been relegated. Its still worrying but the chance of it happening are very small. If you believe we have a very small chance of staying up then go and stick your savings on it, you can get over 20/1.

I'm not so sure, if I wasn't an NUFC fan I'd put £5-10 on us going down because 20/1 is just unbelievable value. We don't win away games of which we have 3 (you lot, West Ham, QPR) and our 2 home games are very tough (Liverpool, Arsenal). I'm really concerned but I'm not going to let it take over my mind like I did last time. If it happens, it happens. I'm not getting much joy out of watching us anymore anyway, can't see the football getting much worse whatever occurs. 20/1 isn't to far off really, no team in our position now has ever been relegated from the Premier League. It's not usually this tight, at all. If Wigan win one of their games in hand there will be 2 points between 13th and 18th, must be almost unprecedented. It may be if it happens, but as yet it hasn't.

I'm not so sure, if I wasn't an NUFC fan I'd put £5-10 on us going down because 20/1 is just unbelievable value. We don't win away games of which we have 3 (you lot, West Ham, QPR) and our 2 home games are very tough (Liverpool, Arsenal). I'm really concerned but I'm not going to let it take over my mind like I did last time. If it happens, it happens. I'm not getting much joy out of watching us anymore anyway, can't see the football getting much worse whatever occurs. Suppose 20/1 is fair enough though considering no team in our position now has ever been relegated from the Premier League. There's always the chance we could be the first, but its not at all likely.

Exactly, if yesterday can't provoke a reaction with some guilt edged performances over the last 5 games we might as well pack up and go home. Aye, if we fail to get points out of Liverpool and Arsenal at least we can rest easy, safe in the knowledge our scintillating away form will see us through. Well despite being poor our away form is actually still better than 5 other Premier League teams (seems hard to believe I know..) including Stoke and Norwich, we're joint 12th on current away form.

Reckon if anybody does that this year it will be Stoke, how they have dropped since the new year is ridiculous really. Teams like that usually bully their way to a good result when the going gets tough though. I can't see them going down tbh. It'll either be Stoke or Norwich, both have been dropping down alarmingly for several games already where as we've being picking up enough points to keep us in a similar position in the table. Teams don't usually look safe with 5 games to go and then drop like a stone, in fact no team has ever been relegated from the Premier League after being 13th at this stage in the season.

Well, we've still got 36 of them despite being shit all season. We'll probably manage 3~4 out of the last five somehow. i hope you're right, when you look at it all we really have left at this stage is blind hope and the possibility that another teams fail is bigger than our fail - didn't work in 2008-2009 mind The way you're talking you'd think we were in the bottom three and bottom of the form table At this stage in 2008-2009 we only had hope, right now we have a 5 point cushion and are regularly picking up points, the stats show relegation is very unlikely. Voted 2 myself, there's a chance but its very unlikely. Its then imperative that we replace Pardew as soon as we're safe though, no doubt he's got us in a completely unacceptable position.

Then fuck off..

He was poor, so was Taylor (Taylor was worse actually), but abysmal?, no more so than the rest.

Not sure I agree like, maybe not now, but I think this has marked his card.

:lol:) Its almost banable isnt it

You need a time out.. You to, fucking ridiculous question, no is the obvious answer by the way.

Got 25/1 on Paddy Power, like. no doubt i could've got better odds but just stick with betfair these days. 33/1 on Skybet!