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...just a bit. To sack Sam at such a ridiculous time without, now we find, anybody at all lined up is scarily reminiscent of Shepherd's decision to sack Bobby. Yet what would have happened if they'd tried to find out for sure about Redknapp before sacking Allardyce? We'd have a situation where we approached another manager with Allardyce still in charge, had that manager turn us down publically as Allardyce sits in the background still Newcastle United manager. What would people say then "Its a shambles, they should have let Allardyce go if they wanted another manager, now he's been undermined and we have nowhere to go from here but to sack him". How can they win with some people around here? There's a way of doing things. Ashley's best friend is very well acquainted with Redknapp, i'm sure it wouldn't have been difficult to find out if he was interested without the press getting hold of it. Who says that wasn't done? It took Redknapp time to finally decide to turn the offer down and Peter Storie says at one point he thought he'd decided to leave for Newcastle. So clearly he was interested, but in the end decided against it. No amount of checking up on what someone wants will ever make something 100% certain, especially when that person is otherwise very happy where he is. Until they're actually asked full on to make a decision you can never tell.

The real question is how could we get him out of his contract with 'King of the Hill'?

Ban!! I don't care what the rules are on suggesting bans, this is a special situation

...just a bit. To sack Sam at such a ridiculous time without, now we find, anybody at all lined up is scarily reminiscent of Shepherd's decision to sack Bobby. Yet what would have happened if they'd tried to find out for sure about Redknapp before sacking Allardyce? We'd have a situation where we approached another manager with Allardyce still in charge, had that manager turn us down publically as Allardyce sits in the background still Newcastle United manager. What would people say then "Its a shambles, they should have let Allardyce go if they wanted another manager, now he's been undermined and we have nowhere to go from here but to sack him". How can they win with some people around here?

Why are we an embarassment? Because a manager turned us down your embarassed? We sack our manager, appoint Graeme Souness who fights with all and sundry. We sack him, stick Roeder in charge, fight for him to be able to manage the club against the wishes of the FA, then sack him. We appoint an experienced, proven manager, and hound him out from day one, sack him, then have no replacement lined up. Then we get turned down by a bog standard manager. You don't find any of this embarassing? Have you no shame? Ashley and Mort have nothing to do with any of that... As for hounding Allardyce out from day one, rubbish, he got support at first and spat it back in people's faces with his s*** Football and arrogant nature. He deserved to be sacked. Yes he shouldn't be sacked unless we have a replacement lined up, but obviously we did think so. After all we couldn't actually approach Portsmouth and Redknapp until Allardyce was sacked or we'd then have a situation like that of Jol at Spurs, which you would then be pissing and moaning about as well, so its a no win for them really.. They've done things the right way and been honest about everything, its just unfortunate for them that it hasn't gone how they wanted it to with Redknapp turning the job down.

.. sorry Parky but....

Well I can't say I'd be disapointed if I found out Redknapp wasn't going to be our next manager. As long as we don't hire someone worse anyway, like Mark Hughes.

If you expect there's another Robson coming, end the discussion now. Robson comes in just because he is a Geordie who is willing to save the club from the mess. It is just a miracle and it ain't going to happen again. To compare Robson with Redknapp is an insult tbh. The point is, top class managers would never join another club during season unless they are fired. Would you expect someone like Wenger will leave at January to join Barca? Of course you can say it's just a dream to get those managers but then if Ashley isn't willing to try it then why pay so much money just to employ a manager that is the same level as BS but with better attacking style football? There's no reason why Redknapp can achieve more in here than in Portsmouth. He has even more money to spend there. So what you meant to say was that successful managers are never appoined during the season.. appart from when they are but it won't happen this time because it only happens sometimes? Nah I know what you mean, I just disagree with using the word never.

The fact that successful managers are never appointed during season bothers me most. Robson wasn't successful? If Redknapp can take us to the top four regularly like Bobby did I'd consider him a success,.

Another difference is Redknapp doesn't have an incredibly stilted and negative Football philosophy that he sticks to no matter what. Though I have to admit that Portsmouth's shocking lack of goals at home does worry me a little bit.. But not too much given how well the team have played overall this season. did you see our shocking lack of goals at home? Yes, but firstly I don't want the same s*** that Allardyce gave me and secondly Portsmouth's lack of home goals was even worse then ours. They haven't scored a single goal in there last 6 home games. Having said that I don't think its a major concern, just seems like one of those strange things that happens sometimes. Or does anyone know other reasons that have caused this?

Two managers who know f*** all about our situation, something which makes there opinion completely pointless IMO. P.S. The Queens a tit ..

To be fair to Anal I assume that's meant to mean that Redknapp will be positive in going for wins rather then trying for draws and hoping we might just nick a goal to win a game. That's how I read it at the time anyway, maybe I'm giving him too much credit..

Allardyce would have done incredibly well to finish mid table considering how poorly he did in the first half of the season. Much more likely we'd have ended up closer to the bottom then mid table. Which does not put us in a good position to attract anyone, managers or players. Also while Redknapp may bring in a few players and end up having to chop and change to find his best team for a while, Allardyce was still chopping and changing to try to find his best team 24 games into the season. If it takes Redknapp that long I'd be extremely suprised and upset.

Another difference is Redknapp doesn't have an incredibly stilted and negative Football philosophy that he sticks to no matter what. Though I have to admit that Portsmouth's shocking lack of goals at home does worry me a little bit.. But not too much given how well the team have played overall this season.

But there's no indication we would start picking up points (Arsenal and Chelsea were blips on a otherwise terrible season) and Mort/Ashley have to use there judgement (which includes assumptions) to best decide what to do. If they're sure Sam is going nowhere and will have us sitting somewhere in the bottom half at the end of the season then why shouldn't they act on it. Obviously they had already decided that Sam would be sacked, so it became a question of: A:- Leave him in charge until the end of the season and inevitably end up in the bottom half, possibly in a relegation fight (at which point we're a much worse proposition for the new manager they want and any new players they want). Or B:- Just get the manager we want now, give him some funds and a chance to get started early so he's properly prepared for next season. I know what you're saying, and my opinion was always keep sam unless they have the right manager lined up. But obviously if what's being said in the papers is true Harry is there right man and if they know they can get him now then why not? Apparently Ashley toyed with sacking Allardyce just after taking over, but decided to give him a chance, maybe he just didn't want to make that mistake again.

Unless they pull a 'big rabbit' out of the hat this fiasco is an abject failure of reason, common sense and sorely lacks any clear judgement. It smacks of a child who can't wait till christmas day to open his presents. And if they bring in the new manager who then spends £20 to £30 million on top quality players and drives us up the league (say 8th) putting us in a far better position to attract further players in the summer? Will you still consider it a failure then? Yes. But waiting until the end of the season to sack Allardyce (when we'd no doubt finish between 13th and 15th) would be a success?? I'm having to accept a lot of assumptions on your part here. Well obviously the first assumpion has to be accepted as part of my question. The second, well we're 11th after by far the easiest half of the season, now comes the much more difficult half..

Unless they pull a 'big rabbit' out of the hat this fiasco is an abject failure of reason, common sense and sorely lacks any clear judgement. It smacks of a child who can't wait till christmas day to open his presents. And if they bring in the new manager who then spends £20 to £30 million on top quality players and drives us up the league (say 8th) putting us in a far better position to attract further players in the summer? Will you still consider it a failure then? Yes. But waiting until the end of the season to sack Allardyce (when we'd no doubt finish between 13th and 15th) would be a success?? How can being in a much worse position be considered success and being in a much better position failure?

Unless they pull a 'big rabbit' out of the hat this fiasco is an abject failure of reason, common sense and sorely lacks any clear judgement. It smacks of a child who can't wait till christmas day to open his presents. And if they bring in the new manager who then spends £20 to £30 million on top quality players and drives us up the league (say 8th) putting us in a far better position to attract further players in the summer? Will you still consider it a failure then?

someone has been saying lately how jealous they are of Evertons superior last decade to ours mackems.gif So he should be happy with Moyes, maybe he will blow his socks off. I think it was fredbob, but can't be bothered to look Which mental case with no memory was that?

That sounds unlikely, what did he say?

I wonder when Martin Jol (the NO poster) will turn up to tell us who our new manager is going to be. No doubt Spurs ITK's already know since they seem to know everything Kemsley knows and he's Ashleys mate

Stop talking s***, ok man? Well I am just passing on what I got told, up to you if you think its crap. Guess if its true it would come out eventually. I just think its s*** because you don't sack a manager in order to replace him with a man you haven't even sounded out for the job..

"not looking abroad" And that quote comes from?.. You? It comes from nearly every news source who reports "sources from within the club are saying..." Sorry, should have said that I'm not 110% sure that it's true No problem I just assume that when Dr Venkman said he hasn't seen a quote to back it up he meant a quote from a real person, rather then a "source close to" which can easily be made up with no repercussions.

The OP is right IMO. Newcastle fans are impatient or even worse delusional because they aren't happy watching horrendous Football week after week and seeing there team 11th in the league after the easiest start to a season in living memory. But Chelsea fans are perfectly within there rights to act exactly the same towards there manager who has won his last 4 or 5 games and has the team third in the league and 6 poins off the top. Why?! Nobody mentioned a thing about Chelsea fans screaming "you don't know what you're doing" at Grant. But we do it and its all over the papers, its hypocrisy, the kind of thing I've come to expect from the bunch of arseholes who call themselves Britain's media.

First Division/Premier League: 1954–55, 2004–05, 2005–06 FA Cup:1970, 1997, 2000, 2007 League Cup: 1965, 1998, 2005, 2007 FA Charity Shield/Community Shield: 1955, 2000, 2005 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: 1971, 1998 European Super Cup: 1998 Big deal, are you saying that unless a team has won something recently the fans have no right to expect anything better in the future ? The point being how much success they've had recently. It's not unreasonable for Chelsea fans to expect to be challenging for the title based on recent history. It's also not unreasonable for us to expect improvement or be challenging for the title in several years time either. Those are acceptable expectations. But that's not the same as the vocal group of fans who expect any manager to turn a team that hasn't won anything for so long into a team that's challenging overnight. That is an unreasonable expectation and that's where the press are right. What?!, who expected that?!! Nobody, the press pretend people expect that kind of thing in order to ridicule Newcastle fans, frankly I'm ashamed a so called fan would buy into it..