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But he spent 6 million on Smith, add a million or two to that and he could have gone for the likes of Elano or Muntari. Players who would not only have improved the squad but would also have improved the first team dramatically. He went with the same formula he always does. Two defensive midfielders and one not defensive but hardly attacking midfielder. One up front, five in midfield with two breaking from midfield to back up the lone striker. We could also have bought almost anybody instead of 9.5m quid on Luque How complete irrelevant and pointless can you get? What does Luque have to do with Allardyce or Smith or giving Allardyce money for an attacking player?

Marcotti and Claridge on Five Live tonight reckoned it was a load of bollocks, and basically you get what you see with Allardyce. 'Like going into a sushi restaurant and asking for Yorkshire pudding' was how they put it. Beginning to agree with them. What was bollocks? Also what's 'you get what you see' supposed to mean? Could you go into more detail on this please.

No he hasn't, he's had two poor games against a top 4 side and a pretty decent team in Man City. He's had plenty of poor games on the left as well, he's just played much more on the left and so had more chances to play well.

Wait, wait, wait... hold the phone... a whole two goals?! In 90 minutes?! That's outrageous. It can't be done! Why does he want to resurrect a defensive problem?? See this is where he's going wrong

He's not slow due to age, he's slow due to being a fat bastard.

Really?, I've never heard that before.

But he spent 6 million on Smith, add a million or two to that and he could have gone for the likes of Elano or Muntari. Players who would not only have improved the squad but would also have improved the first team dramatically. He went with the same formula he always does. Two defensive midfielders and one not defensive but hardly attacking midfielder. One up front, five in midfield with two breaking from midfield to back up the lone striker.

Not a huge amount but am going off the principle that if Ashley can afford to pay off debt (that is perfectly acceptable for Arse/Man U/Liverpool/Chelsea to carry in far bigger proportions) then he can afford £20m to give Allardyce a couple of decent attacking players. Long term its hard to say about Allardyce but i think people have poor judgement about our players if they think we have a Muntari, an Elano or an Arteta. We dont and these players are the ones sticking the points on the board for those teams. Well you've got a point about Ashley being loaded and us needing that kind of player. But at the same time Allardyce could have gone for Elano or Muntari or someone else of a similar mold, but instead he spent a similar sum on Alan Smith...

I can't deny it does make me feel a bit better to read that, I'd love to know the specifics of when the manager started to actually get to grips with things. Obviously they must have gone on a excellent run late on to finish 11th if they were relegation candidates for a lot of the season. Why do you need specifics? Just to give you more ammo against Allardyce??? Yeah of course, I have a personal vendetta against Allardyce, didn't you know he killed my favourite gold fish before he even came to Newcastle and I've been plotting against him ever since? Don't you think perhaps I might just want as many specifics as possible because it gives me hope that things can get better?.. If I'm going to look at Villa's situation last season as a template for Newcastle this season then I want to know as much about it as possible. Not only do I not care wether or not Villa fans wanted him sacked but I really don't see what that has to do with asking for specifics about when the manager turned things around. Oh and by the way, did you not see where Brummie wrote about fans booing every match, that's patience is it?

He must feel like he never came back to England training with Arsenal

Hardly a reject, since Fergie is offering him an improved contract to stay. Obviously he's not really wanted though, otherwise he'd stay, he loves the club doesn't he?, been there for years.

I can't deny it does make me feel a bit better to read that, I'd love to know the specifics of when the manager started to actually get to grips with things. Obviously they must have gone on a excellent run late on to finish 11th if they were relegation candidates for a lot of the season.

Well check Brummie's posts for the Villa fans perspective where he basically tells you that this same situation happened last year at Villa. Is it in this thread? Could be actually. In our last two games we've matched Chelsea and outplayed City for most of a game (and not once looked like they were actually better than us). Unlucky in both not to pick up points. Is that not recent signs of improvement? Villa went 16 games without a win at one point last season I remember reading somewhere. Villa finished 11th, that's 5 places above where they finished the season before O'Niel. Believe it or not, we still have every chance of finishing above where we finished last season, even in the top 10!! You think we have every chance of getting at least 50 points this season?? (because that's what its going to take to get top 10).

But it isn't just Wigan is it? And the result at Wigan certainly wasn't the worst thing about that game either. The worst things was seeing a Newcastle side hoofing the ball as far as they could up field every single time they got possesion for 45 minutes straight. I'd be interested to read that, I've definitely missed that post if he said all that.

Well check Brummie's posts for the Villa fans perspective where he basically tells you that this same situation happened last year at Villa. Is it in this thread? Could be actually. In our last two games we've matched Chelsea and outplayed City for most of a game (and not once looked like they were actually better than us). Unlucky in both not to pick up points. Is that not recent signs of improvement? Villa went 16 games without a win at one point last season I remember reading somewhere. Villa finished 11th, that's 5 places above where they finished the season before O'Niel.

Well check Brummie's posts for the Villa fans perspective where he basically tells you that this same situation happened last year at Villa. Is it in this thread? Could be actually. In our last two games we've matched Chelsea and outplayed City for most of a game (and not once looked like they were actually better than us). Unlucky in both not to pick up points. Is that not recent signs of improvement? He doesn't give many specifics though (unless its not the post I read). He says something about "the same situation", but he only seems to be referring to results not being great. What I'd like to hear from Villa and Everton fans is what they thought of there managers during those bad times, actual specific details. Did they see that the managers were doing things more or less the right way but results just weren't coming? Or that they got some things wrong but kept learning how best to use the players until things went right. Or did they look at there manager and say "What the f*** are you doing?, not this s*** again!, its the same every week, your decisions are unfathomable and its making it impossible for us to win!". Because that's what I think most weeks There have been a couple of blips where we've done half decent, but they're few and far between. We did well against the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal because the way Allardyce has us playing is the right way to play against those teams. The problem is he doesn't change the way we play no matter who we play. Its always about stopping the opposition playing us and getting the ball into the box at all costs, quantity over quality. That's not the right way to play Wigan or Derby.. we can outplay them, we've got better players!

I'm not talking about league position or some poor results. I'm talking about showing improvement, showing you're getting to grips with the players you have available and how to use them best, that's what a manager needs to do to get more time. Allardyce hasn't shown any of that, he just wants to cram the players we have into 'the bolton way' of playing Football, which as far as I can see is barely Football at all. See people always mention the likes of Moyes and O'Niel, but I'd be very interested to hear from the fans of Everton and Villa and find out what they thought of them even when results weren't going well.

Been reading the papers have you?..

We're not in a position to compete with them for non-rejects. We don't need to sign the worlds best, but we should still be able to attract top players. If City can sign quality players like Petrov and Elano, why can't we? They were both rejects. Just at Athletico Madrid and Shacktar not the top 4. Are you telling me Shacktar didn't actually want Elano?.. He was a sub most of the time and they sold him on the cheap. Abit like Wes Brown... No, he was a sub most of the time in his first season, in the second season he played almost every game, broke into the Brazil squad, and was sold for £8 million..

A better explanation is that Allardyce is an arrogant overrated clown and the final cockup of Fat Fred's time here, one final mistake left from the Fred era that needs to be removed so we can start a fresh properly

The reason the clubs that do well are usually the ones that keep there manager for a while is f****** obvious Nicky, because they're doing well! Why sack a manager who's doing well?.. Managers that show signs of improving things at a club get kept and they're the ones that tend to do well. Managers who are stuborn idiots who seem to be sabotaging there own team get the sack, before they f*** things up even more. The fat man has until the end of the season at most IMO.

We're not in a position to compete with them for non-rejects. We don't need to sign the worlds best, but we should still be able to attract top players. If City can sign quality players like Petrov and Elano, why can't we? They were both rejects. Just at Athletico Madrid and Shacktar not the top 4. Are you telling me Shacktar didn't actually want Elano?..

do you really think that fat t*** would fetch £80m at this point in his career? No my point is that Ronaldo is Ronaldo, and Cristiano Ronaldo is Cristiano Ronaldo. It's important to see that difference. Don't you mean one is Cristiano Ronaldo and the other is Ronaldo Luis Nazário de Lima Seriously though I agree, that little spotty puff doesn't deserve to be called just 'Ronaldo'.

Smith on the bench?, not a chance unfortunately. I'm beggining to wish he was African

No team has ever stayed in the Premiership with 32 points or less. The lowest total to keep a team in the Premiership was 34 points for West Brom in the 2004-2005 season (they scraped it by a single point in a record low season). The average (not counting the first three seasons due to the extra teams at the time) is just over 37*. But to aim for the average would be pretty dangerous, teams have been relegated on 38 points a couple of times, 40 points on a couple of occasions and on one occasion 42 points. Like I said we need 40 points to make sure (even then its not 100% sure). *When looking at the average points total for teams staying up I didn't use the teams final points total. Instead I used the third bottom teams total plus one point. Since this shows the lowest total a team could have stayed up on each season rather then what they did stay up on.