Northern Monkey

you are making it sound like we didn't buy a defender BECAUSE we bought duff,which in my understanding wasn't the case.

 

Are you suggesting that Roeder had extra money available for defenders but instead decided to start a Premiership season with what had to be the smallest pool of defenders ever? If that's what happened then Roeder and Shepherd come off looking even worse. Six defenders, three of which are crocks and another of which is Ramage is not going to get you through a season whatever way you look at it. What on earth were they thinking?!

 

Do you really believe Sibierski, Rossi and Bernard arrived as the result of a carefully planned transfer window or as the result of a last-minute panic? They all arrived in the final few hours, close to midnight August 31st. I remember the chronicle article at the time (the one I assume you're quoting regarding Zat Knight) and it painted a sorry picture. Milner in Birmingham ready to sign for Aston Villa and pulled back at the last minute, it was all a mess. How people can defend that transfer window I do not know, we are still reaping the mistakes today.

bid for zat knight and robert huth,attempted to get woodgate....do you suggest we go down the lines of boumsong again ie making sure we get numbers in by paying inflated prices for crap ?

 

He failed to get what we needed, simple as that. I refuse to believe thst there were NO competent defenders we could have tempted here - because what we have is INcompetent.

 

As for the Kinght/Huth/Woodgate thing, you have no more idea than the rest of us about who we REALLY went for. Roeder is a weasel, so anything he says can't be trusted.

 

You can see Roeder's little press tittle tattle dripping out and his little weasel face twitching....And sometimes very late at night in the dark you hear the squeal of a larger rat scuttling around the offices demented in the search of a conscience.

As long as Roeder doesn't get the fucking stupid idea in his (admittedly fucking stupid) head that Shola can be one of first 3 strikers for next season.

Martins might make it, Owen clearly would, and we need another, sharpish.

to be honest, how HTT can rank Shearer alongside THE Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Zidane is beyond me

 

THE Ronaldo 10 years ago was better than CRonaldo now

 

Shearer in his prime was for me the best all-round centre-forward on the planet so therefore is one of the best players I've ever seen. Yes he lacked Ronaldo's skill and pace but Ronaldo lacked his strength, heading ability and general leading of the line. People underestimate just how good Shearer was. Me, if I could choose between a Shearer or a Ronaldo in their pomp, I'd go for Shearer, more of a team player, braver and lead the line far better, would get you a goal from his head, right, left, set-piece or off his arse. Ronaldo, if he wasn't scoring or getting at teams, was pretty ineffective. Just my opinions though.

I don't think he was the best striker on the planet, even in his pomp, in fairness.

Something tells me they'll only make the bench at best for the Chelsea game. Here's hoping they're available to start a couple of games before the season is out.

Yeah, lets hope Shola is available to make Martins look like he can control the ball like a Brazilian.

you are making it sound like we didn't buy a defender BECAUSE we bought duff,which in my understanding wasn't the case.

 

Are you suggesting that Roeder had extra money available for defenders but instead decided to start a Premiership season with what had to be the smallest pool of defenders ever? If that's what happened then Roeder and Shepherd come off looking even worse. Six defenders, three of which are crocks and another of which is Ramage is not going to get you through a season whatever way you look at it. What on earth were they thinking?!

 

Do you really believe Sibierski, Rossi and Bernard arrived as the result of a carefully planned transfer window or as the result of a last-minute panic? They all arrived in the final few hours, close to midnight August 31st. I remember the chronicle article at the time (the one I assume you're quoting regarding Zat Knight) and it painted a sorry picture. Milner in Birmingham ready to sign for Aston Villa and pulled back at the last minute, it was all a mess. How people can defend that transfer window I do not know, we are still reaping the mistakes today.

bid for zat knight and robert huth,attempted to get woodgate....do you suggest we go down the lines of boumsong again ie making sure we get numbers in by paying inflated prices for crap ?

He failed to get what we needed, simple as that. I refuse to believe thst there were NO competent defenders we could have tempted here - because what we have is INcompetent.

As for the Kinght/Huth/Woodgate thing, you have no more idea than the rest of us about who we REALLY went for. Roeder is a weasel, so anything he says can't be trusted.

No foreign clubs, got no link to them.

OK now that we've established - twice - that this is the real world, I still haven't heard a valid argument against spending that £5m on defence instead of Duff. I didn't say spend all of that money on a left back, I don't know where that has come from. Onyewu arrived five months too late, he was way too little way too late. Indeed attack and defence were both urgent priorities, £10m was spent on Martins, Sibierski and Rossi were also brought in. In defence - nothing.

 

You can talk about how the best teams play but they've all got a good defence. Strikers tend to be more expensive and that's why I agreed with the signing of Martins. After the Owen injury we were always going to have to spend big up front. But we simply had to put something into defence and that has been proven over the season as we've had something like 7 different right backs and 7 different left backs this season. We were the only club to start the season with such a threadbare defence and when you consider three of our six senior defenders (Carr, Baba and Moore) have major fitness problems, it was never going to be enough to see us through. I'm not talking with the benefit of hindsight as I said all this at the time.

we spent money on duff,so what,we also had money to spend on a defender(didn't we have a bid turned down for zat knight).roeders whole transfer policy has been if he cant get the player he wants he wont buy for the sake of it.

 

you are making it sound like we didn't buy a defender BECAUSE we bought duff,which in my understanding wasn't the case.

 

Where did you get the idea that he had more money from??

 

Oh, and if Roeder couldn't find a better central defender than Damange. Shambles and Moore - or a better left back than Babayaro - then he is even more of a f****** disgrace than i thought so.

he can find tham but would you pay £8mill for upson ?..it's not footy manager where you just find someone better and get them,we've been ripped off too often for that.

I say again - if he can't find better, then he's an unbelievable cretin. Our central defenders, bar Taylor, are an absolute disgrace.

Roeder has ballsed up, in the transfer market as much as he has fucked up tactically.

I heard if Bayern lose, Hitzfeld is guaranteed Newcastle manager by the start of the transfer window.

I heard he's desperate to come here. Massive club, us. Massive.

OK now that we've established - twice - that this is the real world, I still haven't heard a valid argument against spending that £5m on defence instead of Duff. I didn't say spend all of that money on a left back, I don't know where that has come from. Onyewu arrived five months too late, he was way too little way too late. Indeed attack and defence were both urgent priorities, £10m was spent on Martins, Sibierski and Rossi were also brought in. In defence - nothing.

 

You can talk about how the best teams play but they've all got a good defence. Strikers tend to be more expensive and that's why I agreed with the signing of Martins. After the Owen injury we were always going to have to spend big up front. But we simply had to put something into defence and that has been proven over the season as we've had something like 7 different right backs and 7 different left backs this season. We were the only club to start the season with such a threadbare defence and when you consider three of our six senior defenders (Carr, Baba and Moore) have major fitness problems, it was never going to be enough to see us through. I'm not talking with the benefit of hindsight as I said all this at the time.

we spent money on duff,so what,we also had money to spend on a defender(didn't we have a bid turned down for zat knight).roeders whole transfer policy has been if he cant get the player he wants he wont buy for the sake of it.

 

you are making it sound like we didn't buy a defender BECAUSE we bought duff,which in my understanding wasn't the case.

Where did you get the idea that he had more money from??

Oh, and if Roeder couldn't find a better central defender than Damange. Shambles and Moore - or a better left back than Babayaro - then he is even more of a fucking disgrace than i thought so.

Never felt bothered AT a match, but before/after at Pompey a while back was interesting.

Roeder: Developing Players - 7?? :lol:

 

Mourinho's only a 6 man. So Roeder is better!

He must be.

<snigger>

Surely this is what Ferguson's been coaching Ronaldo though? To use the ball better? That's part of a manager's job, isn't it?

 

Not if its Roeder being slated, and Vic hears.

 

Thanks you 2 for saving me the effort. I could have wrote that but Vic just spends all day looking for a reaction by completely missing points, probably on purpose to act the WUM. If not he is incredibly thick.

 

I'm just able to read posts tbh. I'm waiting for you to point out exactly how what you wrote could be meant in any other way

 

Quite sad when people that have been made to look stooopid and can only resort to piggy backing other posts to claw back some dignity

You know you're in trouble when you have to accuse people of piggy-backing MY posts to retain dignity!

Anyone but Liverpool.

Just thought about it and that would mean that Roeder would be incharge of our transfer policy!!! Thats a scary thought.

 

Anyway if what Freddy said a few weeks ago that there will be money to spend in the summer is true we'll soon see if Reoder is as shit in the transfer market as we all think he is!

 

He will have no excuses this season, there is no major championship, we "apparently" have money to spend and the transfer window is longer than the winter.

 

 

Back to Coleman, I would like to see him at Newcastle, I think he is a better manager than Roeder and would not be scared of making important decisions. Saying that too many fans would be on his back from the start for the stigma of being sacked by Fulham because of poor performance of the team, the knifes would be out early for the man!

Not difficult, in fairness.

fucking Ronaldo dumfest is going into overdrive now

 

alright, he might be half decent at the old kick and run, but deep down, he's a cock, and even worse, I reckon he doesn't even think he realises he is a cock, which makes him a worse person than Diouff tbh

You've just described a better version of Dyer. Which is a bit harsh on the wrong-faced Portugee, don't you think.

good article in parts.  Hes right about martins hes very inconsistent.

 

roeder is a blot on the nufc landscape ....only here as a ffs puppet.

 

very true. But the best player since Pele if you listen to the amount of sucking-off that goes on on here.

 

There are plenty of kneejerks, but I'd say the majority think he's a good / very good player, but with loads to improve on.

 

 

 

There we go look - a very good player. I don't think so. He's prven to be inconsistent, with flashes of good play, and also glimpses of shocking decision-making.

 

Aye, Martins doesn't even fall into the "good" category yet for me.  He's hovering somewhere around decent.

Overall, i'd agree.

He might well end up being a good/very good premiership striker, but he isn't one yet.

The very fact that he seems comfortable here is an indication of how little he gives a toss about his game. If he was really trying to be a top player, he'd be itching for a move.

 

I think that's bollocks tbh.  Should nobody be content at NUFC then?  Should they all see themselves as too good and be looking to move on?  I think Dyer is well aware that we're probably about his level.

 

He's been here a while, and his football and fucking stagnated. That much is obvious to anyone. The club is going nowhere. He has 2-3 years of top football left in him if he's lucky.

 

He's here for the dough, obviously.

 

Where do you think he should be targetting for his next move?  Assuming he doesn't want to leave the country? 

 

Does the same apply to Parker, Duff, Given, Martins, Owen etc etc....the list goes on.  If the club is going nowhere for Dyer, it's going nowhere for all of them too.  You can't just apply this to Dyer because you don't like him.

He's not good enough - noone wants him, and never have, apart from us, the only club stupid enough to pay him the salary of a top player.

good article in parts.  Hes right about martins hes very inconsistent.

 

roeder is a blot on the nufc landscape ....only here as a ffs puppet.

 

very true. But the best player since Pele if you listen to the amount of sucking-off that goes on on here.

 

There are plenty of kneejerks, but I'd say the majority think he's a good / very good player, but with loads to improve on.

 

 

There we go look - a very good player. I don't think so. He's prven to be inconsistent, with flashes of good play, and also glimpses of shocking decision-making.

Surely this is what Ferguson's been coaching Ronaldo though? To use the ball better? That's part of a manager's job, isn't it?

Not if its Roeder being slated, and Vic hears.

It's not just his lack of ability that hurts us, it's the wages he takes from us, the time he spends out injured, his attitude off and on the pitch. The very fact that he seems comfortable here is an indictment of how little he gives a toss about his game. If he was really trying to be a top player, he'd be itching for a move.

 

he must know, deep down, that he's not good enough to be a top player.

 

I don't know, this is the bloke that is best mates with Titus Bramble. 

Fair point, he's not exactly going to win Mastermind, is he. Although in fairness, he probably struggled at the Richard & Judy say-what-you-see thing.

I think the Zog will become a great player, not at this club or under this manager.  He was frustrating when he played this season ? or was it the back of last.  He kept recieving the ball and constantly ran into other players befoe releasing it. I would like him to stay but under a manager that can bring a player forward, something we have done the opposite of for many years.

 

heard it all now. Manager to blame for player running into opponents

 

You have just proved how crap your understanding of football is, not that the whole forum hasn`t realised how pathetic you are weeks ago.

 

"He kept recieving the ball and constantly ran into other players befoe releasing it. I would like him to stay but under a manager that can bring a player forward,"

 

are you fucking blind? I'm only reading what you wrote. Sorry if that makes you look like an idiot

Its not Roeders fault that The Zog ran into someone. It IS his fault for being unable to develop/inspore/coach players.

It's not just his lack of ability that hurts us, it's the wages he takes from us, the time he spends out injured, his attitude off and on the pitch. The very fact that he seems comfortable here is an indictment of how little he gives a toss about his game. If he was really trying to be a top player, he'd be itching for a move.

he must know, deep down, that he's not good enough to be a top player.

good article in parts.  Hes right about martins hes very inconsistent.

 

roeder is a blot on the nufc landscape ....only here as a ffs puppet.

very true. But the best player since Pele if you listen to the amount of sucking-off that goes on on here.

If I met ronaldo i'd chin the cunt!

 

Far too many of you cream over his irrelevant step overs and fancy tricks which mean fuck all,he's got to be the most annoying player i've ever had the misfortune to watch.

 

Put it this way, i'll sit up and take more notice of him come next year if he repeats his play of this season, but he won't, any player can have a wonder season, but only the best can sustain it!

No, you wouldn't.

Keep him.  There are literally dozens of players in our squad that I'd get rid of ahead of Dyer.  I'm not saying he's a world-beater, but if we're prioritising players we should get shot of, Dyer comes way down the list.  Anyone that doesn't see that he's one of our more important players when fit is a *pulls spacka face*.

 

How rude.

 

The fact that Dyer is one of our best players says more about how crap we are as opposed to how good Dyer is.

 

It also logically says sell the shitter players first though, surely?  Or should we start this restructuring by disposing of our better players and retaining the crap?

Get rid of very mediocre players and replace them with others who, at a lower cost, will provide a greater return. Its not too difficult, even for Roeder, surely?