Northern Monkey

OK now that we've established - twice - that this is the real world, I still haven't heard a valid argument against spending that £5m on defence instead of Duff. I didn't say spend all of that money on a left back, I don't know where that has come from. Onyewu was way too little way too late and I see his signing as an acknowledgement from the club that they had made a mistake in August. Indeed attack and defence were both urgent priorities back then, £10m was spent on Martins, Sibierski and Rossi were also brought in. In defence - nothing. We began the season with the most unbalanced squad in the league.

 

Strikers tend to be more expensive and that's why I agreed with the signing of Martins. After the Owen injury we were always going to have to spend big up front. But we simply had to put something into defence and that has been proven over the season as we've had something like 7 different right backs and 7 different left backs over the season, that's got to be a record. We were the only club to start the season with such a threadbare defence and when you consider three of our six senior defenders (Carr, Baba and Moore) have major fitness problems, it was never going to be enough to see us through. I'm not talking with the benefit of hindsight as I said all this at the time.

 

You aren't reading the posts then.

 

Let me give you a clue....Martins.

 

We needed a striker before a LB. Not signing either is not a result of signing Duff and does not make Duff a bad signing. Obvious really, although it seems it's not that easy for some people to grasp.

 

And we needed a central defender and a left back before we needed a left winger. Thats very clear.

 

Is it that clear though. The only other player who can play LW is the Zog. So surely, we did need a LW.

We have NO premiership left back. Therefore we needed one. Simple.

No, just random "arguing", although not with anyone in particular, i think.

if we are to change manager we need someone who is a lot better than what we have - and in my honest oppinion sven is not!

 

just look at what a brilliant manager did to roma on tuesday - even without three of his best players!

Any manager is better than what we have. Because our manager is completely and utterly out of his depth in the premiership.

I have to come in and say you guys not ranking Martins as a very good forward at the top level are crazy

We are talking about the PREMIERSHIP. Have you watched him play, in the PL?

OK now that we've established - twice - that this is the real world, I still haven't heard a valid argument against spending that £5m on defence instead of Duff. I didn't say spend all of that money on a left back, I don't know where that has come from. Onyewu was way too little way too late and I see his signing as an acknowledgement from the club that they had made a mistake in August. Indeed attack and defence were both urgent priorities back then, £10m was spent on Martins, Sibierski and Rossi were also brought in. In defence - nothing. We began the season with the most unbalanced squad in the league.

 

Strikers tend to be more expensive and that's why I agreed with the signing of Martins. After the Owen injury we were always going to have to spend big up front. But we simply had to put something into defence and that has been proven over the season as we've had something like 7 different right backs and 7 different left backs over the season, that's got to be a record. We were the only club to start the season with such a threadbare defence and when you consider three of our six senior defenders (Carr, Baba and Moore) have major fitness problems, it was never going to be enough to see us through. I'm not talking with the benefit of hindsight as I said all this at the time.

 

You aren't reading the posts then.

 

Let me give you a clue....Martins.

 

We needed a striker before a LB. Not signing either is not a result of signing Duff and does not make Duff a bad signing. Obvious really, although it seems it's not that easy for some people to grasp.

And we needed a central defender and a left back before we needed a left winger. Thats very clear.

Ronaldo seems to haver a greater impact on a more consistent basis.

i think he is currently a better footballer than Ronaldinho, although clearly a different TYPE of footballer, so like-for-like comparisons are hard.

before managing england he was the one of highly rated manager in the world. I don't know why after manage england his form was not as great as before. It might be because FA paid so much money on him then he become one of the england celebrity.

 

As England manager he only lost four competitive games the Northern Ireland qualifer and the three quarter-final defeats (two on penalties). It's not a bad record, really.

 

if you completely ignore the performances. How many dour draws was it?

Yet you defend that cunt Roeder, who has produced a team with far worse relative performances.

As long as Liverpool don't win it, I don't give a shit.

I heard if Bayern lose, Hitzfeld is guaranteed Newcastle manager by the start of the transfer window.

 

I heard he's desperate to come here. Massive club, us. Massive.

 

5th best I heard...

World class players, as well. Dyer, Duff, Moore....top drawer.

I'd be surprised if Ottmar isn't driving at top speed towards the Channel right now. He better hurry, though, i hear Mourinho is interested......

you are making it sound like we didn't buy a defender BECAUSE we bought duff,which in my understanding wasn't the case.

 

Are you suggesting that Roeder had extra money available for defenders but instead decided to start a Premiership season with what had to be the smallest pool of defenders ever? If that's what happened then Roeder and Shepherd come off looking even worse. Six defenders, three of which are crocks and another of which is Ramage is not going to get you through a season whatever way you look at it. What on earth were they thinking?!

 

Do you really believe Sibierski, Rossi and Bernard arrived as the result of a carefully planned transfer window or as the result of a last-minute panic? They all arrived in the final few hours, close to midnight August 31st. I remember the chronicle article at the time (the one I assume you're quoting regarding Zat Knight) and it painted a sorry picture. Milner in Birmingham ready to sign for Aston Villa and pulled back at the last minute, it was all a mess. How people can defend that transfer window I do not know, we are still reaping the mistakes today.

bid for zat knight and robert huth,attempted to get woodgate....do you suggest we go down the lines of boumsong again ie making sure we get numbers in by paying inflated prices for crap ?

 

He failed to get what we needed, simple as that. I refuse to believe thst there were NO competent defenders we could have tempted here - because what we have is INcompetent.

 

As for the Kinght/Huth/Woodgate thing, you have no more idea than the rest of us about who we REALLY went for. Roeder is a weasel, so anything he says can't be trusted.

 

You can see Roeder's little press tittle tattle dripping out and his little weasel face twitching....And sometimes very late at night in the dark you hear the squeal of a larger rat scuttling around the offices demented in the search of a conscience.

As long as Roeder doesn't get the fucking stupid idea in his (admittedly fucking stupid) head that Shola can be one of first 3 strikers for next season.

Martins might make it, Owen clearly would, and we need another, sharpish.

to be honest, how HTT can rank Shearer alongside THE Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Zidane is beyond me

 

THE Ronaldo 10 years ago was better than CRonaldo now

 

Shearer in his prime was for me the best all-round centre-forward on the planet so therefore is one of the best players I've ever seen. Yes he lacked Ronaldo's skill and pace but Ronaldo lacked his strength, heading ability and general leading of the line. People underestimate just how good Shearer was. Me, if I could choose between a Shearer or a Ronaldo in their pomp, I'd go for Shearer, more of a team player, braver and lead the line far better, would get you a goal from his head, right, left, set-piece or off his arse. Ronaldo, if he wasn't scoring or getting at teams, was pretty ineffective. Just my opinions though.

I don't think he was the best striker on the planet, even in his pomp, in fairness.

Something tells me they'll only make the bench at best for the Chelsea game. Here's hoping they're available to start a couple of games before the season is out.

Yeah, lets hope Shola is available to make Martins look like he can control the ball like a Brazilian.

you are making it sound like we didn't buy a defender BECAUSE we bought duff,which in my understanding wasn't the case.

 

Are you suggesting that Roeder had extra money available for defenders but instead decided to start a Premiership season with what had to be the smallest pool of defenders ever? If that's what happened then Roeder and Shepherd come off looking even worse. Six defenders, three of which are crocks and another of which is Ramage is not going to get you through a season whatever way you look at it. What on earth were they thinking?!

 

Do you really believe Sibierski, Rossi and Bernard arrived as the result of a carefully planned transfer window or as the result of a last-minute panic? They all arrived in the final few hours, close to midnight August 31st. I remember the chronicle article at the time (the one I assume you're quoting regarding Zat Knight) and it painted a sorry picture. Milner in Birmingham ready to sign for Aston Villa and pulled back at the last minute, it was all a mess. How people can defend that transfer window I do not know, we are still reaping the mistakes today.

bid for zat knight and robert huth,attempted to get woodgate....do you suggest we go down the lines of boumsong again ie making sure we get numbers in by paying inflated prices for crap ?

He failed to get what we needed, simple as that. I refuse to believe thst there were NO competent defenders we could have tempted here - because what we have is INcompetent.

As for the Kinght/Huth/Woodgate thing, you have no more idea than the rest of us about who we REALLY went for. Roeder is a weasel, so anything he says can't be trusted.

No foreign clubs, got no link to them.

OK now that we've established - twice - that this is the real world, I still haven't heard a valid argument against spending that £5m on defence instead of Duff. I didn't say spend all of that money on a left back, I don't know where that has come from. Onyewu arrived five months too late, he was way too little way too late. Indeed attack and defence were both urgent priorities, £10m was spent on Martins, Sibierski and Rossi were also brought in. In defence - nothing.

 

You can talk about how the best teams play but they've all got a good defence. Strikers tend to be more expensive and that's why I agreed with the signing of Martins. After the Owen injury we were always going to have to spend big up front. But we simply had to put something into defence and that has been proven over the season as we've had something like 7 different right backs and 7 different left backs this season. We were the only club to start the season with such a threadbare defence and when you consider three of our six senior defenders (Carr, Baba and Moore) have major fitness problems, it was never going to be enough to see us through. I'm not talking with the benefit of hindsight as I said all this at the time.

we spent money on duff,so what,we also had money to spend on a defender(didn't we have a bid turned down for zat knight).roeders whole transfer policy has been if he cant get the player he wants he wont buy for the sake of it.

 

you are making it sound like we didn't buy a defender BECAUSE we bought duff,which in my understanding wasn't the case.

 

Where did you get the idea that he had more money from??

 

Oh, and if Roeder couldn't find a better central defender than Damange. Shambles and Moore - or a better left back than Babayaro - then he is even more of a f****** disgrace than i thought so.

he can find tham but would you pay £8mill for upson ?..it's not footy manager where you just find someone better and get them,we've been ripped off too often for that.

I say again - if he can't find better, then he's an unbelievable cretin. Our central defenders, bar Taylor, are an absolute disgrace.

Roeder has ballsed up, in the transfer market as much as he has fucked up tactically.

I heard if Bayern lose, Hitzfeld is guaranteed Newcastle manager by the start of the transfer window.

I heard he's desperate to come here. Massive club, us. Massive.

OK now that we've established - twice - that this is the real world, I still haven't heard a valid argument against spending that £5m on defence instead of Duff. I didn't say spend all of that money on a left back, I don't know where that has come from. Onyewu arrived five months too late, he was way too little way too late. Indeed attack and defence were both urgent priorities, £10m was spent on Martins, Sibierski and Rossi were also brought in. In defence - nothing.

 

You can talk about how the best teams play but they've all got a good defence. Strikers tend to be more expensive and that's why I agreed with the signing of Martins. After the Owen injury we were always going to have to spend big up front. But we simply had to put something into defence and that has been proven over the season as we've had something like 7 different right backs and 7 different left backs this season. We were the only club to start the season with such a threadbare defence and when you consider three of our six senior defenders (Carr, Baba and Moore) have major fitness problems, it was never going to be enough to see us through. I'm not talking with the benefit of hindsight as I said all this at the time.

we spent money on duff,so what,we also had money to spend on a defender(didn't we have a bid turned down for zat knight).roeders whole transfer policy has been if he cant get the player he wants he wont buy for the sake of it.

 

you are making it sound like we didn't buy a defender BECAUSE we bought duff,which in my understanding wasn't the case.

Where did you get the idea that he had more money from??

Oh, and if Roeder couldn't find a better central defender than Damange. Shambles and Moore - or a better left back than Babayaro - then he is even more of a fucking disgrace than i thought so.

Never felt bothered AT a match, but before/after at Pompey a while back was interesting.

Roeder: Developing Players - 7?? :lol:

 

Mourinho's only a 6 man. So Roeder is better!

He must be.

<snigger>

Surely this is what Ferguson's been coaching Ronaldo though? To use the ball better? That's part of a manager's job, isn't it?

 

Not if its Roeder being slated, and Vic hears.

 

Thanks you 2 for saving me the effort. I could have wrote that but Vic just spends all day looking for a reaction by completely missing points, probably on purpose to act the WUM. If not he is incredibly thick.

 

I'm just able to read posts tbh. I'm waiting for you to point out exactly how what you wrote could be meant in any other way

 

Quite sad when people that have been made to look stooopid and can only resort to piggy backing other posts to claw back some dignity

You know you're in trouble when you have to accuse people of piggy-backing MY posts to retain dignity!

Anyone but Liverpool.

Just thought about it and that would mean that Roeder would be incharge of our transfer policy!!! Thats a scary thought.

 

Anyway if what Freddy said a few weeks ago that there will be money to spend in the summer is true we'll soon see if Reoder is as shit in the transfer market as we all think he is!

 

He will have no excuses this season, there is no major championship, we "apparently" have money to spend and the transfer window is longer than the winter.

 

 

Back to Coleman, I would like to see him at Newcastle, I think he is a better manager than Roeder and would not be scared of making important decisions. Saying that too many fans would be on his back from the start for the stigma of being sacked by Fulham because of poor performance of the team, the knifes would be out early for the man!

Not difficult, in fairness.

fucking Ronaldo dumfest is going into overdrive now

 

alright, he might be half decent at the old kick and run, but deep down, he's a cock, and even worse, I reckon he doesn't even think he realises he is a cock, which makes him a worse person than Diouff tbh

You've just described a better version of Dyer. Which is a bit harsh on the wrong-faced Portugee, don't you think.

good article in parts.  Hes right about martins hes very inconsistent.

 

roeder is a blot on the nufc landscape ....only here as a ffs puppet.

 

very true. But the best player since Pele if you listen to the amount of sucking-off that goes on on here.

 

There are plenty of kneejerks, but I'd say the majority think he's a good / very good player, but with loads to improve on.

 

 

 

There we go look - a very good player. I don't think so. He's prven to be inconsistent, with flashes of good play, and also glimpses of shocking decision-making.

 

Aye, Martins doesn't even fall into the "good" category yet for me.  He's hovering somewhere around decent.

Overall, i'd agree.

He might well end up being a good/very good premiership striker, but he isn't one yet.