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We couldn't have done any worse than try Zoggy at left back. iirc he had one game there.

We could have done worse than played him at left wing, instaed of that preposterous waste of money Duff.

People here hate those clubs mainly because of their fans,but trust me after you meet fans from italian or spanish teams,you will do what i do,support English team playing in CL as if they were Newcastle..

 

How f****** patronising. Sorry, didn't realise only YOU have ever met any fans of italian or spanish teams. Damn the rest of us, and our insular little lives.

 

I would never, ever, support another PL club in the CL*, just the same as i wouldn't support Germany if England weren't in the world cup. What have Chelsea or Man Utd got to do with us, as Newcastle fans, when they are playing in the CL? f*** all.

 

* Unless they were playing Liverpool, naturally.

 

For I hate any Spanish/Italian  as much as i hate Sunderland here,And because i am (not) from Newcastle,i don't hold anything against any other PL team,but i do hold alot against those team mainly because of their fans..

 

 

I've met plenty of Italian and Spanish teams fans. Doesn't make me support Man Utd!!

you're English. Man Utd, Chelsea, Wigan, Blackburn etc etc are English. It's not exactly hard to comprehend even if you don't support them yourself.

No, i don't comprehend it. I spend every weekend hoping they lose. Why the fuck would i suddenly want them to become more successful?

Not as good as Dyer, tbh. Man Utd AND Chelsea wanted him, you know. Straight up, they really did.

People here hate those clubs mainly because of their fans,but trust me after you meet fans from italian or spanish teams,you will do what i do,support English team playing in CL as if they were Newcastle..

How fucking patronising. Sorry, didn't realise only YOU have ever met any fans of italian or spanish teams. Damn the rest of us, and our insular little lives.

I would never, ever, support another PL club in the CL*, just the same as i wouldn't support Germany if England weren't in the world cup. What have Chelsea or Man Utd got to do with us, as Newcastle fans, when they are playing in the CL? Fuck all.

* Unless they were playing Liverpool, naturally.

Cracking goal, on a cracking night for English football!!!!

 

No. A cracking night for Manure, Chelski and probably Liverpool.

 

Sorry, I thought they played in the English Premier League?!?!

 

 

Not tonight. They played inthe CL, on behalf of their clubs. Not on behalf of the Premier League, they didn't represent the domestic league, any other clubs from that league, or the country that that league is based in. It was Man Utd and Chelsea.

Cracking goal, on a cracking night for English football!!!!

 

No. A cracking night for Manure, Chelski and probably Liverpool.

I was in awe of Manure today, brilliant. There playing the way Barca/Madrid/Chelski wish they could.

Correct.

I'd happily watch Man Utd tonk the shite out of Liverpool in the final, but the fear of Liverpool actually winning it would be too much. Hopefully Chelsea will take care of that next round.

Good Article written by Norman Hubbard-ESPN

 

 

 

Given his visible unease when confronted by a microphone or a camera, Glenn Roeder cannot be described as being at ease in the spotlight

 

 

Even by his own standards, however, the Newcastle manager has been a little prickly recently. Once a centre-back, he has been on the defensive on a wide range of topics. Some - such as Michael Owen's comeback date - are inexplicable; thus far, it is hard to find fault with Roeder's management of an injured player.

 

 

But others reflect badly upon Roeder. Damien Duff's rumoured move to Sunderland brought the implication that the winger has failed at Newcastle, and Roeder was the manager who authorised a £5 million fee, aided by Newcastle's typical largesse when paying wages.

 

Criticism of Scott Parker, appointed captain by Roeder, may have been viewed as a barely-veiled dig at the manager himself.

 

Yet the sphere where there is greatest scope for censure is in the results, an area where Roeder's responsibility is clear.

 

Newcastle may now be found in the upper half of the Premiership, but they have only just managed to extract themselves from a relegation battle, albeit one that Roeder never admitted they were a part of. Reaching the last 16 of the UEFA Cup, where elimination is often harder to secure than progress, hardly qualifies as a triumph. Newcastle's European campaign may have occupied eight months and involved opponents from nine nations, yet it merely served as a lengthy distraction.

 

Moreover, defeat to AZ Alkmaar, a team with a fraction of the budget of their own, highlighted two perennial weaknesses: outside the elite of the big four, Newcastle's spending power may be matched only by Tottenham - though, given the weekly remuneration of Duff and Parker, the Magpies can be more generous than the Londoners; and the defence.

 

Were there a direct correlation between expenditure and achievement, therefore, Newcastle, and not Bolton Wanderers, whose manager Sam Allardyce was overlooked when Roeder was appointed, would occupy fifth place.

 

 

Injuries and the debilitating effect of an interminable number of UEFA Cup games can only explain so much (how much effort is required to overcome Levadia Tallinn?). Yet Newcastle, despite a historical preference for cavalier football, are a team with two Premiership goals in as many months.

 

 

Another long-time trend is for dubious defending. Their failure to reach the last eight of the UEFA Cup can be attributed to it. Within 40 minutes of the match at St James' Park, Newcastle had a 4-1 advantage. Conceding once in the second half there and twice in Alkmaar the following week ended their participation.

 

A scapegoat was immediately identified: Titus Bramble has not been spotted since. Yet, nearing the end of a five-year contract, does it qualify as news that Bramble is error-prone?

 

It was a second competition Newcastle departed reflecting on the failure of their back four. The 5-1 FA Cup defeat to Birmingham City qualifies as a humiliation. It came during the transfer window. Roeder's adherents argue he was reluctant to sign substandard players in January, yet recruits need not have been exceptional to improve the Newcastle rearguard.

 

In any case, a more serious omission was neglecting to bolster his defence last summer. Since Jonathan Woodgate joined Real Madrid in 2004, Newcastle have only paid a fee for one central defender, and Jean-Alain Boumsong appears to have deterred them from buying others, although quiet American Oguchi Onyewu was borrowed. Instead, marquee players, such as Duff and the sporadically brilliant Obafemi Martins, have been brought in.

 

With 17 goals, recruiting the Nigerian, though prone to utterly insipid performances, ranks among Roeder's achievements. So does the revitalisation of Nicky Butt and the continuing development of Steven Taylor. Antoine Sibierski, unwanted at Manchester City, can be classified as a qualified success as a short-term signing while, as a makeshift right-back, Nolberto Solano has proved more popular than usual incumbent Stephen Carr.

 

But on the debit side, there are some questionable selections. James Milner, a rarity in retaining his fitness all season, must be a contender for the club's Player of the Year award. However, he was left an unused substitute in Alkmaar. His eventual restoration to the team brought four points from two games, against Sheffield United and Newcastle.

 

Then there is Emre, seemingly bound for the exit. Roeder's botched attempt to brush allegations of racism against the Turk under the carpet failed and his Newcastle career may end on the bench. Albert Luque has neither been offloaded nor involved, another reason why Newcastle's outlay is not reflected on the pitch.

 

 

Emre looks to be headed for the exit.And while Owen has been unavailable all season, they have a mere 34 goals in 32 Premiership games. Exclude Martins, and it is a miserable return. Nor do some of the performances rank as an improvement: the capitulation at Charlton angered Neil Warnock (for its impact on the relegation battle) as well as Roeder. Losing at home to Manchester City was as bad.

 

 

It means Roeder's is a record that is open to interpretation. To what extent do the mitigating factors explain the underachievement? How much is the culture of the club the problem? Roeder has claimed failure is 'stitched into the badge' at Newcastle. That doesn't necessarily make him the man to unstitch it, however.

 

There are those who believe Alan Shearer's outstanding finishing and execrable punditry qualify him to manage Newcastle, and a suspicion that Freddy Shepherd is among that number.

 

There is also the probability that, given Shearer's sabbatical on television and Shepherd's description of Roeder as 'an honorary Geordie', that the Newcastle manager will retain his post for the start of next season. But it is little wonder that Glenn Roeder appears uneasy.

 

 

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=420464&root=england&cc=3888

 

what a load of s**** that is. A fit owen and i mean fit, would guarantee us 20 goals a season 7 goals in 12 appearences proves this. He also fails to mention the fact that we also lost Ameobi to a long term injury who has scored 1 in 2 under GR. Add the fact that we also missed out on Dyer for the first half of the season and also had only one fit striker during this time 34 golas in 32 doesn't look to bad to me. It's just our defence letting us down yet again, i.e leading against Bolton and Everton at St James and letting our lead slips our prime examples of us throwing away points.

 

Firstly, Dyer actually contributes very little.

 

Secondly, Owen has never scored 20 league goals, so thats far from guaranteed.

 

i wasn't talking just about league goals and having dyer back has contributed 6 in 24 games and sibierski  who we only had after january has scored 8 in 23.

 

owen stats

 

200506  11 7

200304  38 19

200203  54 28

200102 43 28

200001  46 24

 

League goals is the only comparitor worth talking about, and the reason you want strikers.

4 in 18 from Dyer is fuck all next to proper footballers. He's nowhere near worth what we pay him.

My God, I hate Chelsea so much.  Jammiest bastards of all time.

 

Please let their team bus crash on the way home.

Did you watch the game? They had Valencia all ends up for the vast majority of it. They deserved the win.

I hope Chelsea can raise their game for the next round.

Good Article written by Norman Hubbard-ESPN

 

 

 

Given his visible unease when confronted by a microphone or a camera, Glenn Roeder cannot be described as being at ease in the spotlight

 

 

Even by his own standards, however, the Newcastle manager has been a little prickly recently. Once a centre-back, he has been on the defensive on a wide range of topics. Some - such as Michael Owen's comeback date - are inexplicable; thus far, it is hard to find fault with Roeder's management of an injured player.

 

 

But others reflect badly upon Roeder. Damien Duff's rumoured move to Sunderland brought the implication that the winger has failed at Newcastle, and Roeder was the manager who authorised a £5 million fee, aided by Newcastle's typical largesse when paying wages.

 

Criticism of Scott Parker, appointed captain by Roeder, may have been viewed as a barely-veiled dig at the manager himself.

 

Yet the sphere where there is greatest scope for censure is in the results, an area where Roeder's responsibility is clear.

 

Newcastle may now be found in the upper half of the Premiership, but they have only just managed to extract themselves from a relegation battle, albeit one that Roeder never admitted they were a part of. Reaching the last 16 of the UEFA Cup, where elimination is often harder to secure than progress, hardly qualifies as a triumph. Newcastle's European campaign may have occupied eight months and involved opponents from nine nations, yet it merely served as a lengthy distraction.

 

Moreover, defeat to AZ Alkmaar, a team with a fraction of the budget of their own, highlighted two perennial weaknesses: outside the elite of the big four, Newcastle's spending power may be matched only by Tottenham - though, given the weekly remuneration of Duff and Parker, the Magpies can be more generous than the Londoners; and the defence.

 

Were there a direct correlation between expenditure and achievement, therefore, Newcastle, and not Bolton Wanderers, whose manager Sam Allardyce was overlooked when Roeder was appointed, would occupy fifth place.

 

 

Injuries and the debilitating effect of an interminable number of UEFA Cup games can only explain so much (how much effort is required to overcome Levadia Tallinn?). Yet Newcastle, despite a historical preference for cavalier football, are a team with two Premiership goals in as many months.

 

 

Another long-time trend is for dubious defending. Their failure to reach the last eight of the UEFA Cup can be attributed to it. Within 40 minutes of the match at St James' Park, Newcastle had a 4-1 advantage. Conceding once in the second half there and twice in Alkmaar the following week ended their participation.

 

A scapegoat was immediately identified: Titus Bramble has not been spotted since. Yet, nearing the end of a five-year contract, does it qualify as news that Bramble is error-prone?

 

It was a second competition Newcastle departed reflecting on the failure of their back four. The 5-1 FA Cup defeat to Birmingham City qualifies as a humiliation. It came during the transfer window. Roeder's adherents argue he was reluctant to sign substandard players in January, yet recruits need not have been exceptional to improve the Newcastle rearguard.

 

In any case, a more serious omission was neglecting to bolster his defence last summer. Since Jonathan Woodgate joined Real Madrid in 2004, Newcastle have only paid a fee for one central defender, and Jean-Alain Boumsong appears to have deterred them from buying others, although quiet American Oguchi Onyewu was borrowed. Instead, marquee players, such as Duff and the sporadically brilliant Obafemi Martins, have been brought in.

 

With 17 goals, recruiting the Nigerian, though prone to utterly insipid performances, ranks among Roeder's achievements. So does the revitalisation of Nicky Butt and the continuing development of Steven Taylor. Antoine Sibierski, unwanted at Manchester City, can be classified as a qualified success as a short-term signing while, as a makeshift right-back, Nolberto Solano has proved more popular than usual incumbent Stephen Carr.

 

But on the debit side, there are some questionable selections. James Milner, a rarity in retaining his fitness all season, must be a contender for the club's Player of the Year award. However, he was left an unused substitute in Alkmaar. His eventual restoration to the team brought four points from two games, against Sheffield United and Newcastle.

 

Then there is Emre, seemingly bound for the exit. Roeder's botched attempt to brush allegations of racism against the Turk under the carpet failed and his Newcastle career may end on the bench. Albert Luque has neither been offloaded nor involved, another reason why Newcastle's outlay is not reflected on the pitch.

 

 

Emre looks to be headed for the exit.And while Owen has been unavailable all season, they have a mere 34 goals in 32 Premiership games. Exclude Martins, and it is a miserable return. Nor do some of the performances rank as an improvement: the capitulation at Charlton angered Neil Warnock (for its impact on the relegation battle) as well as Roeder. Losing at home to Manchester City was as bad.

 

 

It means Roeder's is a record that is open to interpretation. To what extent do the mitigating factors explain the underachievement? How much is the culture of the club the problem? Roeder has claimed failure is 'stitched into the badge' at Newcastle. That doesn't necessarily make him the man to unstitch it, however.

 

There are those who believe Alan Shearer's outstanding finishing and execrable punditry qualify him to manage Newcastle, and a suspicion that Freddy Shepherd is among that number.

 

There is also the probability that, given Shearer's sabbatical on television and Shepherd's description of Roeder as 'an honorary Geordie', that the Newcastle manager will retain his post for the start of next season. But it is little wonder that Glenn Roeder appears uneasy.

 

 

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=420464&root=england&cc=3888

 

what a load of shite that is. A fit owen and i mean fit, would guarantee us 20 goals a season 7 goals in 12 appearences proves this. He also fails to mention the fact that we also lost Ameobi to a long term injury who has scored 1 in 2 under GR. Add the fact that we also missed out on Dyer for the first half of the season and also had only one fit striker during this time 34 golas in 32 doesn't look to bad to me. It's just our defence letting us down yet again, i.e leading against Bolton and Everton at St James and letting our lead slips our prime examples of us throwing away points.

Firstly, Dyer actually contributes very little.

Secondly, Owen has never scored 20 league goals, so thats far from guaranteed.

How about this for a front 3 for next season

The pace there would be hard to defend against, if they all stay fit.

 

 

                                                             Owen

 

                                      Martins                              Dyer

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Doomed.

meh. haven't seen anyone on the united team do anything kieron dyer couldn't do.

I know. I saw a player fall down before, and i thought "our Kieron could do that".

Shola back - oh fuck.

I always ask this question and never get an answer.  Where is the actual propf that Dyer gets paid £80,000 a week?  Because until I see some good sources for this I'm going to keep assuming its nothing but exagerated paper talk.

How much do you think he's on?

Nobody has?

 

Wait. It's coming.

 

You coudl see it in his interview with Sky. He thinks what he's doing/putting out is good enough.

 

And his fanboys will be re-writing history soon enough.

 

Or you could just give credit where it's due. I was a both games over Easter and the Sheffield one was anything but lucky. We were the better team throughout  apart from a 10 minute patch in the second half and could have scored three or four. The Arsenal game was boring, but we were the better team and probably should have won.

 

4 points over easter deserves credit in my opinion. But then again, I didn't jump on the Roeder Out bandwagon like many folks. His tactics and team selection in the past two games have been spot on in my opinion, so I have no reason to slate him.

 

 

Credit where it's due, faie enough. A lucky win against shite, and a draw against a team on its knees.

And if we give credit where it's due, we should also slate where its due - Roeder has been a fucking awful manager.

Sell him. Considering the money he's on, the number of games we're guaranteed from him, and the fact that when he does play he is only very sporadically effective, we're better off speonding the money elsewhere.

In form, and deployed correctly, Dyer is one of the most destructive players in the world.

 

We need to find a way to get him back in form and being deployed correctly on a more regular basis. If we can't manage this, it'll be another failure for the club, but we may as well sell.

 

Can't wait till Ally sees that

 

No way is he near being one of the best players in the world, but ask any opposition Premiership manager who they'd least like to see on the ball just past halfway, with wingers to his right and left, and strikers in front of him, they'd say Dyer each time.

No they wouldn't.

Aye, cos there's no-one Turkish in NEwcastle already that poor ickle Emre could make friends with.

"put through his paces by Roeders coaching staff" :lol:

HE probably sacked US off after he saw that shower of idiots.

If it meant avoiding us getting stuck with shite like Ameobi, Dyer and Shambles, i'd rather we played all Foreigns - as long as they were good enough.

Nobody has?

Wait. It's coming.

You coudl see it in his interview with Sky. He thinks what he's doing/putting out is good enough.

And his fanboys will be re-writing history soon enough.

It's absolute fucking shite to suggest the team held back today on orders from Roeder

 

the simple fact is the stupid cunts aren't good enough to innovate or create. It doesn't help when everyone thinks Emre / Butt offers anything to the attacking potential

It doesn't help when the manager is unable to realise good players from shote ones.

He's fucking rubbish.

And i quesiton the "nice fella" thing as well - thats media bollocks if ever i saw it - no-one here knows him enough to say of he's a nice fella or not.

Arsenal were shit, we were marginally less shit. A draw was the right result.

But for fucks sake, lets not pretend a lucky draw and a bore draw validates a manager who is utterly clueless, pathetic and out of his depth.

roeder showed a bit of sense, well done to him.

relatively lucky win against a terrible team, well done all.