Northern Monkey

Ramage is a better left back than babayaro.

 

That's some statement right there. Personally I don't think there's a less gifted player at the club than Ramage. The only area in which he possibly betters Babayaro is in effort, which 9 times out of 10 counts for fuck all on its own.

I disagree, but hey ho. I think Ramage is our 4th worst defender.

no,this was the post

View Profile Personal Message (Online)

 

 

Re: Bellamy on Saturday

« Reply #220 on: Today at 09:26:36 PM »

Reply with quoteQuote

Quote from: Sniffer on Today at 09:23:40 PM

 

I wouldn't mention n'zogbia as being deserving of a midfield slot at this time. He has as much chance of being a one season wonder as making it as a consistent premier league player based on his performances prior to his injury.

 

Which have been FAR better than Duff, the only genuine contender for that position.

claearly sniffer thinks,as i do,that n'zogbia has been as bad as duff this season,you don't like him,didn't want us to sign him and as such compare him unfavourably to n'zogbia.

this isn't a question of wether we were right to sign duff but a question of how the team has faired on the left hand side of midfield.

 

i notice its gone from "FAR" better to "as good if not better."

 

i say the have both been poor,milner playing best out of who we've used on the left.

No, you misunderstand. Again.

Teh Zog as a one seaon wonder was what i was referring to, and a response to the "before injury" comment - i was talking about not just this season.

Also, i was not talking about Duff when i said "as good if not better". But hey, don't let that stop you from jumping to half-assed conclusions to back up some pre-conceptions of people's opinions that you know fuck all about. Good lad.

i'd rather not, such is the paucity of his ability.

 

Ramage is worse there imo, would still like to see Edgar given a few more games there though.

I don't think Ramage IS worse there. He's not a natural, comfortable lb, obviously, but he's better than the utter piece of wank that Babayaro has been for the vast majority of the games he's played.

6 points.

i'd rather not, such is the paucity of his ability.

Baba isn't that bad a player imo. Highly average not to great going forward and not to great at defending but he is fairly reliable not to play like Carr and Bramble.

 

He's not average, he's shite. But he gets the vote for being left footed??

 

Do you think there's currently a better left-back at the club? Obviously he's not good enough long term but he should be played until the end of the season and hopefully be kept as backup beyond that.

Ramage is a better left back than babayaro. He's absolutely fucking terrible. As a left back, he makes a good bookend.

Positioning, pace, tackling, awareness. All utter, utter shite.

 

I wouldn't mention n'zogbia as being deserving of a midfield slot at this time. He has as much chance of being a one season wonder as making it as a consistent premier league player based on his performances prior to his injury.

 

Which have been FAR better than Duff, the only genuine contender for that position.

hate glasses on there...duff and n'zogbia were equally as bad before charles injury.

 

"hate glasses"? Wind it in.

 

I thought Duff would be great (but not as needed as other players would have been had Roeder not been an arsehole) when he came. But he's been very poor overall.

 

The Zog was our best outfield player last season.

thought we were talking about this season before zog' injury ?

No,we weren't. We were talking about the chances of him being a one season wonder. His performances this season were not as good as his first, but still as good if not better when it comes to end results than some players who get their proverbial cocks sucked on here regularly.

                                Given

Solano          Gooch        Taylor          Ramage

Milner           Parker         Dyer           The Zog

                      Owen               Martins

Sub:

Krul

Huntindon

Duff

Emre

Sibierski

 

I wouldn't mention n'zogbia as being deserving of a midfield slot at this time. He has as much chance of being a one season wonder as making it as a consistent premier league player based on his performances prior to his injury.

 

Which have been FAR better than Duff, the only genuine contender for that position.

hate glasses on there...duff and n'zogbia were equally as bad before charles injury.

"hate glasses"? Wind it in.

I thought Duff would be great (but not as needed as other players would have been had Roeder not been an arsehole) when he came. But he's been very poor overall.

The Zog was our best outfield player last season.

Baba isn't that bad a player imo. Highly average not to great going forward and not to great at defending but he is fairly reliable not to play like Carr and Bramble.

He's not average, he's shite. But he gets the vote for being left footed??

 

I wouldn't mention n'zogbia as being deserving of a midfield slot at this time. He has as much chance of being a one season wonder as making it as a consistent premier league player based on his performances prior to his injury.

Which have been FAR better than Duff, the only genuine contender for that position.

I say no, play him this season.

I don't think he will be with us next season, so it'll be nice to see him play for us.

I'm with nufc_geordie and the 'vibe' i got is that we are papering over the cracks.  But everyone is entitled to their opinions. Having said that I'm very proud of the result and credit needs to be given where deserved. Regarding Babayaro, I thought had a pretty solid game - there was one moment when Bellamy went past him and he just lunged at him and i thought 'oh crap' - but besides that moment he was solid and kept that side in control.

 

Big ups to GR for the win - but I would still like him replaced with someone with more stature in the offseason so we can compete with Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal etc

 

Aye, I'm sure merely changing the manager would achieve that!

 

Yeah I think it would.

 

I think GR is doin a decent job - especially in rebuilding the club.

 

BUT - i don't think he is capable of winning the league or being up there with the bigger clubs.  Just the feeling I get.  I believe someone with a winning track record and reputation would take us to greater heights. But yeah - right now, well done GR - and may you keep proving me wrong.

Rebuilding the club?? Thats absolutely ridiculous.

Unless Owen completely breaks down again I can't see why he wouldn't be the same goalscorer tbh. He's not had that searing pace for a few years now and he's still scored goals, it's natural for him. He's kind of the opposite of Bellamy.

 

Seriously though, it's his instincts and movement that do it for him now, lots of people always thought he was just about pace (and in his younger days he was lightning) but that's a long time ago now. As i've said before, I hope that Owen's movement creates space for Martins. If those two can get even a basic understanding going opposition defenders will be shitting themselves IMO.

 

I agree.

a lot depends on the supply.

 

True, so it'll hinge a lot on shifting Parker, especially if the team accomodates Owen, Martins, Dyer and Zog. They'll spend half the match being offside by the time he releases the ball.

 

I noticed in another thread where people are picking their best team that there are still loads of Parker/Emre partnership supporters. Amazing really.

Far from the best partnership, clearly.

Best central partnership is currently Parker and Dyer, but ideally, Parker and A N Other.

you happy now HTL? 

 

Aye, I'm happy. My team won, Bellamy was plagued by bad luck otherwise he'd have scored 4. Imagine him in our team playing alongside Martins instead of Dyer, something Newcastle fans would be over the moon about if it happened. Owen for Bellamy this summer maybe?

 

By the way, using doesn't make it any less abusive than using the words.  No need.

wasn't bad luck,just thats the way it is with bellamy,he done that time and again for us.he's not a good consistent finisher.

 

i'd rather see owen and martins first.

 

Not a lot between Martins and Bellamy, really.

different types of player,bellamy does a bit more,martins scores more,bellamy is probably at the top of his game,martins (i feel) has a lot more potential to fulfill.

That last bit is very subjective (and fair enough, of course). I'd personally take either of them in my team, two fine players i feel.

i'd gladly have a striker now, but we cant have one till next season... so no, there's no point.

But we NEED at least one for next season.

you happy now HTL? 

 

Aye, I'm happy. My team won, Bellamy was plagued by bad luck otherwise he'd have scored 4. Imagine him in our team playing alongside Martins instead of Dyer, something Newcastle fans would be over the moon about if it happened. Owen for Bellamy this summer maybe?

 

By the way, using doesn't make it any less abusive than using the words.  No need.

wasn't bad luck,just thats the way it is with bellamy,he done that time and again for us.he's not a good consistent finisher.

 

i'd rather see owen and martins first.

Not a lot between Martins and Bellamy, really.

Ratings

 

Harper - 6.5 - At fault for the goal, looked ok no way near the level of Shay Given un surprisingly.

 

Taylor - 7 - out of position as a right back but dominant throughout in the air.

Onyewu - 8.5 - superb performance on his home debut, everything in his zone he was dominant in the air and in the tackle.

Bramble - 5.5 - got sucked out way too often and left the space for Bellamy to run into on numerous occasions.

Babayaro - 7 - decent return however he needs his match fitness back.

 

Nobby - 7.5 - same old Nobby neat and tidy and when there is a forward runner he picked him out.

Butt - 6.5 - not at his usual, got far too tight therefore rolled over and over again.

Parker - 9 - Colossal absolutely colossal overshadowed both Gerrard and Sissoko and was our most important and best player, not only did he win back the ball he used the ball fantastically spreading the play rather then his usual 10 yard and backwards passing.

Milner - 7 - workhorse performance but lacked the delivery in this game.

 

Dyer - 7 - caused Agger plenty of problems particularly first half with his movement and put Oba through for the goal.

Martins - 7 - plenty of running and showing for the ball at key times but lacked service. (scored)

 

Christ. Nothing like putting heart before head.

 

I thought it was a WUM, either that or we know that "scotty" posts on the forum. In case he does.......sod off in the summer. 

 

8.5, 9 - he's either a WUM, or one of those who think that 7 OUT OF 10 is an average score. Maybe he scores matches for the Sun.

 

most people rate 1-10 differently in terms of what they think is a average or poor number in a 1-10 score

 

I am one of those who thinks 7 out of 10 is a average score for me 6.5 is somebody who had a less then average game 

 

lots of people score it differently

 

by the way sorry for my ignorance but does WUM mean wind up merchant?

 

I genuinely don't get it. between ZERO and TEN, how is 7 average?

 

because half of 10 does not mean average

 

like i said most people have a different view of average rate in a rating out of 10

 

anyway your main point was about my high rating of our Captains performance no?

Yes, it was. he played very very well, but 9 out of 10??

Mind, the 8.5 was MORE wrong.

And Roeder needs to get him a decent partner. Because if he thinks Shola can do it, he's even more of a cretin that i thought.

He was great, really like the way he and Taylor seems to really burn for the club and winning. Need to have more people like that. Given, Taylor, Solano, Parker and Martins to some extent really seem to have a bit more desire than the rest of them. Maybe Milner and Dyer could me mentioned too. Hopefully with a bit of success the rest will be motivated and if we add a few players something that resembles the bobby years could come and this time we win the league cup:)

 

Or is that just me dreaming?

Afraid so, mate.

Ratings

 

Harper - 6.5 - At fault for the goal, looked ok no way near the level of Shay Given un surprisingly.

 

Taylor - 7 - out of position as a right back but dominant throughout in the air.

Onyewu - 8.5 - superb performance on his home debut, everything in his zone he was dominant in the air and in the tackle.

Bramble - 5.5 - got sucked out way too often and left the space for Bellamy to run into on numerous occasions.

Babayaro - 7 - decent return however he needs his match fitness back.

 

Nobby - 7.5 - same old Nobby neat and tidy and when there is a forward runner he picked him out.

Butt - 6.5 - not at his usual, got far too tight therefore rolled over and over again.

Parker - 9 - Colossal absolutely colossal overshadowed both Gerrard and Sissoko and was our most important and best player, not only did he win back the ball he used the ball fantastically spreading the play rather then his usual 10 yard and backwards passing.

Milner - 7 - workhorse performance but lacked the delivery in this game.

 

Dyer - 7 - caused Agger plenty of problems particularly first half with his movement and put Oba through for the goal.

Martins - 7 - plenty of running and showing for the ball at key times but lacked service. (scored)

 

Christ. Nothing like putting heart before head.

 

I thought it was a WUM, either that or we know that "scotty" posts on the forum. In case he does.......sod off in the summer. 

 

8.5, 9 - he's either a WUM, or one of those who think that 7 OUT OF 10 is an average score. Maybe he scores matches for the Sun.

 

most people rate 1-10 differently in terms of what they think is a average or poor number in a 1-10 score

 

I am one of those who thinks 7 out of 10 is a average score for me 6.5 is somebody who had a less then average game 

 

lots of people score it differently

 

by the way sorry for my ignorance but does WUM mean wind up merchant?

I genuinely don't get it. between ZERO and TEN, how is 7 average?

He was excellent certainly.

Who? Butt wasn't, imfo, but Parker was very very good.

Better than Fulham/last season, certainly.

Where was Butt yesterday?

Don't start them.

Can't wait for Owen's superior movement to create space for Martins.

 

That's the thing, you can just see that Owen and Martens are going to be fckn dynamite together. Could be something spectacular next season....

 

UEFA Cup final more like.

<snigger>