Northern Monkey

Dyer been one of our best players so far, if not the best IMO.

Shame he didn't keep it up for the whole game. He was shown up as not good enough, overall.

I'm with Billy Ray on this one. Roeder has done and is doing a good job in very difficult circumstances. Imagine if we'd been able to play a fit Ameobi alongside Martins instead of Sibierski, imagine if we hadn't had to employ a different back line every game. I'd guess that any four of our defenders playing together regularly would have got better results than the constantly changing lineups we've had to send out.

 

One thing often overlooked is the time it takes players to get back to their best after returning from injury. So it's not just the players who are out, it's the players who are on the pitch but still a couple of weeks away from their best. We've had two or three of those in the side most games this season. Against Fulham we had Duff, Carr, Bramble and Gooch (can't remember how to spell his surname) all lacking match practice / integration into the team.

 

Fucking hell, i'd rather not.

And if you think Bramble and Carr just need match practice, you've not been paying attention.

Dyer - not good enough for Chelsea, and certainly NOT a player ot put behind a lone striker as the 'link man'.

Shevchenko - too good for us.

So all in all, not really a goer.

Get rid.

Yes, we are not a big enough club to get a "world class" manager, but that doesn't mean we should accept a completely awful one.

We are an average club, we should at the very least have an average manager. Not the shite we have for the current (and indeed last) one.

Martins and Dyer will not be a productive partnership for long, because Dyer cannot perform the role of striker properly. imho.

Dyer hasn't deserved his call-up, and lets face it, if we rely on him for England in the first 11 for proper games, we'll lose.

Ultimately, Chopra was not good enough for the Premiership. Anyone who saw him play (and lets not start the pathetic Luque-esque "he needs 400 games in a row" bollocks) saw that he was a very very mediocre player, who never showed any particular signs of being good enough. The (undeniable) fact that Shola is also not good enough is a distraction, and adds nothing to the debate.

 

All true. I have to disagree with part of the above comment. Although he did work hard, he was hardly very "active" unless by active you mean ran around a lot not doing too much then I take it back and agree.

They mean "active" in the same way as Dyer "terrorises defences" by running really fast at them and givign the ball away, and Bramble is a "quality" defender by dint of being capable of standing around looking big.

love the "negromania" at the end hahaha....i remember in denmark there are little things called Flodeboller (with an o with a line through it somewhere) and i think one brand that makes them call then "negro heads" or something too that effect....

 

Its just in english speakin' societies where negro is not acceptable anymore...

 

Unluckily for Emre, England is an English-speaking society! 

 

Yep...agree....shouldn't have been so silly...Its such a shame as well because I'm sure the UEFA or FIFA bastards are gonna come in and "make an example of him" and ban him for like 10 games or something.

 

Hmm, there is a genuine debate about cultural meanings of words. I mean my Granparents still won't be convinced that calling a black person 'black' is now acceptable. English is a fluid language and meanings do change.

 

Let's just hope that Emre did really misunderstand and his aim wasn't to be racist. Although if I was asked for my gut feeling I fear the worst.

 

If he genuinely didn't realise, then he shouldn't be playing football. No-one can be THAT stupid.

 

i know what u mean but what has playin football got to do with it,its not as if footballers are renowned for being intelligent!lol

He shouldn't be more than 5 yards away from his Responsible Carer, is my point.

this team has made a season out of bouncing back from poor losses like this one, and although i don't hold out a ton of hope against liverpool, i haven't seen much this season to leave me despairing about the prospect of going on a vindicating run after that....

 

We were lucky against Spurs and Villa. Then not so lucky against Fulham. Thats the kind of run i fear Roeder is mainly going to be capable of taking us on.

 

Yeah we were lucky against those teams, but when you've had the bad luck we've had this year with injuries and what not, we deserve a bit of luck now and then.

 

Bad luck with injuries?? Who?

 

Who are we missing now? Only 2 players that i WANT in the first team. The rest are simply not good enough for a top half Premiership team.

 

Zog and Owen?

Pretty much. Shay is clearly a big loss, but Harper is a capable stand in, something we lack in pretty much every other area of the pitch.

A fully fit Woodgate is the best English defender. If he has a good season at Boro and carries on playing more games I would like to see us make a move. The potential in a partnership betweem Woody and Gooch or Woody and Taylor is immense.

 

At the moment there is still too many questions over his fitness.

 

Gooch could be a load of s****, lets not build the lad up just yet.

 

To be fair to me I did say potential, thats why I mentioned Taylor as well because we may not keep Gooch!

 

If we're extending Bramble and Sibierki's contracts, Gooch is nailed on to be kept on tbh.  The standard has been set.  And it is positively subterranean.

Extending Brambles contract would be the end. If Roeder does that, there will be NO way of saying he is not a complete and utter waste of time as a Premiership manager.

A fully fit Woodgate is the best English defender. If he has a good season at Boro and carries on playing more games I would like to see us make a move. The potential in a partnership betweem Woody and Gooch or Woody and Taylor is immense.

 

At the moment there is still too many questions over his fitness.

 

Gooch could be a load of s****, lets not build the lad up just yet.

 

I know, mate, it was more of a general comment. He's played one game so far, half of which he seemed great for, the other half he seemed vulnerable.

 

To be fair to me I did say potential, thats why I mentioned Taylor as well because we may not keep Gooch!

this team has made a season out of bouncing back from poor losses like this one, and although i don't hold out a ton of hope against liverpool, i haven't seen much this season to leave me despairing about the prospect of going on a vindicating run after that....

 

We were lucky against Spurs and Villa. Then not so lucky against Fulham. Thats the kind of run i fear Roeder is mainly going to be capable of taking us on.

 

Yeah we were lucky against those teams, but when you've had the bad luck we've had this year with injuries and what not, we deserve a bit of luck now and then.

Bad luck with injuries?? Who?

Who are we missing now? Only 2 players that i WANT in the first team. The rest are simply not good enough for a top half Premiership team.

A fully fit Woodgate is the best English defender. If he has a good season at Boro and carries on playing more games I would like to see us make a move. The potential in a partnership betweem Woody and Gooch or Woody and Taylor is immense.

 

At the moment there is still too many questions over his fitness.

Gooch could be a load of shite, lets not build the lad up just yet.

love the "negromania" at the end hahaha....i remember in denmark there are little things called Flodeboller (with an o with a line through it somewhere) and i think one brand that makes them call then "negro heads" or something too that effect....

 

Its just in english speakin' societies where negro is not acceptable anymore...

 

Unluckily for Emre, England is an English-speaking society! 

 

Yep...agree....shouldn't have been so silly...Its such a shame as well because I'm sure the UEFA or FIFA bastards are gonna come in and "make an example of him" and ban him for like 10 games or something.

 

Hmm, there is a genuine debate about cultural meanings of words. I mean my Granparents still won't be convinced that calling a black person 'black' is now acceptable. English is a fluid language and meanings do change.

 

Let's just hope that Emre did really misunderstand and his aim wasn't to be racist. Although if I was asked for my gut feeling I fear the worst.

If he genuinely didn't realise, then he shouldn't be playing football. No-one can be THAT stupid.

Surpised no nobheads have tried the "Bramble and/or Gooch are better" rubbish.

Ultimately, Chopra was not good enough for the Premiership. Anyone who saw him play (and lets not start the pathetic Luque-esque "he needs 400 games in a row" bollocks) saw that he was a very very mediocre player, who never showed any particular signs of being good enough. The (undeniable) fact that Shola is also not good enough is a distraction, and adds nothing to the debate.

He hasn't been amazing but if it wasn't for Dyer, Martins would be half the player/performer that he is at this moment in time. See my earlier uber-post on Page 3... Dyer has brought Martins on significantly.

 

I disagree. I think Martins is better alongside a proper forward

 

You can't surely be referring to the likes of Ameobi and Sibierski?

 

I know statistics aren't everything, but it is clear to see that Obafemi has blossomed since he has been partnered with Dyer who, unlike Shola and Sibi, is on the same wavelength - and crucially, has the speed to keep up with him.

Point out where i sais Ameobi or Sibierski, please.

i said a "proper forward". By this i mena a forward with intelligence, goiod movement, striking ability and power. Not any of the two you mentioned, or Dyer. Dyer has done a job up to a point, but it woudl be absolute madness to think he can play the role of first team striker for us. He simly isn't that good at it. He's very fast, yes. SO was Des Hamilton. Didn't make him a great player.

Dyer is great at getting the ball and running at defenders. But his end product, historically, is piss poor.

Dyer still gets on my tits, he literally doesn't have a position. I'm not going to let 15 or so decent games overshadow all his s*** performances in the past, which included upfront. He's done better up with Martins than he has with other strikers, but he's still a headless chicken. Runs all day, does very little.

 

This season included, Ally?

 

Kieron Dyer is a key figure in our revival this season, and has consequently brought on the performances of other players - notably Martins. Martins, since the return of Dyer, has scored 8 goals. As apposed to the three that he scored in the two/three months before Dyer's return. I'm not saying all of those Martins goals involve Dyer, but it's a knock-on effect. Initially, they all did, and this has improved Oba's confidence and appetite in general.

 

Plus, in the past, whenever he has been fit, Kieron Dyer has generally been a key player for us - and never a bad player. Unfortunately for him in the Bobby days, we had lots of quality players, and you could say that he was overshadowed.

 

Key player and one of our best, in my opinion!

Sorry, can't have that. He hasn't done that much to draw MArtins into the game!

Martins would benefit from playing alongsode a good striker, not just someone who is quick with the ball at their feet but provides little else in the medium/long term.

As for Sibierski, what is all this absolute shite about him "earning" a 1 year extension?? No,he hasn't. He has done pretty well for us when required, thus earning his CURRENT salary. He's done no more than this. The fact that this idiot Roeder is talking about a 2 year deal just shows how out of his depth this certinous, pathetic, talentless manager is.

He hasn't been amazing but if it wasn't for Dyer, Martins would be half the player/performer that he is at this moment in time. See my earlier uber-post on Page 3... Dyer has brought Martins on significantly.

I disagree. I think Martins is better alongside a proper forward, and was less impressed recently.

It might be different with a GOOD quick forward, but Dyer has too many failings in that role to maximise what Martins can offer.

Dyer's played upfront about ten times since he's come back and done a bloody good job aswell. 

Really? Nice that you think so. He's been alright, but not good enough to play as a striker.

In the Premiership, I don't think a striker needs to be good at everything, but there needs to be something in his game that will trouble top defenders. I've never seen that in Chopra.

 

agreed, he always looked to get physically dominated by any premiership defense worthy of the name, his goal vs sunderland makes for a nice memory, but it had more to do with fortunate timing and sunderland's ineptitude than with any bit of skill on his part...

Yup. Not like Sun'luns defence was watertight, was it.

More like his legs are starting to cave in under the strain of carrying the fat little cunt around.

this team has made a season out of bouncing back from poor losses like this one, and although i don't hold out a ton of hope against liverpool, i haven't seen much this season to leave me despairing about the prospect of going on a vindicating run after that....

We were lucky against Spurs and Villa. Then not so lucky against Fulham. Thats the kind of run i fear Roeder is mainly going to be capable of taking us on.

The African Cup of Nations is in 2008. I don't know when the qualifiers start but I can imagine Oba will miss quite a few games because of it.

Aye, way of the world when you sign Africans (well, the good ones).

HTL,

 

I said that you nit-picked because...

 

You chose to comment on the opening 6 words of my entire post which, like i say, included 7 or 8 lengthy and detailed paragraphs, with plenty more relevant things worth quoting on. The opening line was even mis-worded - something i clearly pointed out later on. I know you didn't know that at the time, but still. It was just something so pointless and barely worthy picking up on, out of the entire post. That's why i said you were nit-picking.

 

Why you chose to overreact about that is beyond me, calling me 'paranoid', etc. And about me being 'childish' in my response to your first post, it's hardly as if i blew up about it. I said it was 'disappointing' that you had decided to do that. That's all.

 

And, regarding the other note, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and although i agree with you to some extent (i don't believe Parker should be a regular starter), to say that Scott Parker is 'inept' is simply nonsense.

 

I selected the bit to comment on because that was the bit I wanted to comment on. I think it is very, very risky not signing a striker, something you appear to support because you want to see Martins up front with Dyer.

 

I don't see why you have a problem with me quoting it, tbh.

 

Jesus Wept. Read my fucking posts for God's Sake.

 

I said i misworded it. I'm not happy that we didn't sign a striker. I clearly stated that afterwards. I said that if there was to be any reason at all for me to be glad, it was so that Martins and Dyer could play together.

 

Fucking pulling teeth.

But it'd be better to have 2 strikers, rather than one striker and a midfielder who can't do a job there for more than a game or two.