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1. Chelsea 2. Arsenal 3. Liverpool 4. Man Utd 5. Newcastle 6. Everton 7. Tottenham 8. Aston Villa 9. Blackburn 10. Man City 11. West Ham 12. Portsmouth 13. Reading 14. Middlesbrough 15. Fulham 16. Birmingham 17. Wigan 18. Bolton 19. Sunderland 20. Derby

Think they might lose to Everton. Don't see Arsenal losing for a while, FA Cup excepted of course. You mean Carling Cup? Yeah-- Carling Cup, FA Cup, save difference. You've got a strong squad. Be surprised if you lose before November.

Beats being stupidly pessimistic. No such thing, apparently its called "realism". Nah. Don't think so. A person can be stupidly pessimistic-- it's called "depression". Or, for the religiously inclined, "despair"

Beats being stupidly pessimistic.

Think they might lose to Everton. Don't see Arsenal losing for a while, FA Cup excepted of course.

Emre and Barton will be back? Sam's Bolton did pretty good with Arsenal. 2003-4 -------------------- Bolton 1 - 1 Arsenal Arsenal 2 - 1 Bolton 2004-5 ---------------------- Bolton 1 - 0 Arsenal Arsenal 2 - 2 Bolton FA Cup Bolton 0 - 1 Arsenal 2005-6 ------------------ Bolton 2 - 0 Arsenal Arsenal 1 - 1 Bolton FA Cup Bolton 1 - 0 Arsenal 2006-7 ---------------- Bolton 3 - 1 Arsenal Arsenal 2 - 1 Bolton FA Cup Arsenal 1 - 1 Bolton Bolton 1 - 3 Arsenal

Owen Martins assist.

Should have five.

Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, and Manchester United? So finishing in the top four last year means your defence is automatically better then everyone elses?.. bollocks No, having better players. Who do we have that would start for one of the big four? Given, maybe. Everton looks pretty good as well.

Just because a fee is undisclosed doesn't mean it was free. Malouda transfer is thought to be around £13.5m, and at least £2m for Beletti. Unless you mean that they were neutral given their sales, in which case Well, they got something like £25m for Robben.

Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, and Manchester United?

At first blush--- I was thinking in terms of value for the money. To my mind, Chelsea did the best. Improved their squad for nothing. A -- Chelsea Manchester City Newcastle United B --- Arsenal Everton Liverpool Manchester United C --- Portsmouth Tottenham Hotspur D ---- Aston Villa Birmingham City Blackburn Fulham Middlesbrough Wigan F --- Bolton Derby Reading Sunderland West Ham

Arsenal Lassana Diarra (undisc.)[bR] Lukasz Fabianski (undisc.)[bR] Bacary Sagna (undisc.)[bR] Eduardo da Silva (undisc.)[bR] Aston Villa Scott Carson (loan)[bR] Curtis Davies (loan)[bR] Marlon Harewood (undisc.)[bR] Zat Knight (£3.5million)[bR] Moustapha Salifou (undisc)[bR] Nigel Reo-Coker (£8.5million)[bR] Birmingham City Daniel de Ridder (free)[bR] Johan Djourou (loan)[bR] Olivier Kapo (£3million)[bR] Richard Kingson (free)[bR] Fabrice Muamba (undisc.)[bR] Garry O'Connor (£2.7million)[bR] Borja Oubina(loan)[bR] Wilson Palacios (loan)[bR] Stuart Parnaby (free)[bR] Franck Queudrue (£2million)[bR] Liam Ridgewell (£2million)[bR] Rafael Schmitz (loan) Blackburn Rovers Gunnar Nielsen (undisc.)[bR] Maceo Rigters (undisc.)[bR] Roque Santa Cruz (undisc.)[bR] Bolton Wanderers Mikel Alonso (loan)[bR] Daniel Braaten (undisc.)[bR] Gerald Cid (free)[bR] Blerim Dzemaili (free)[bR] Danny Guthrie (loan)[bR] Zoltan Harsanyi (undisc.)[bR] Heidar Helguson (undisc.)[bR] Gavin McCann (£1million)[bR] Andy O'Brien (undisc.)[bR] Jlloyd Samuel (free)[bR] Christian Wilhelmsson (loan)[bR] Chelsea Alex (free)[bR] Juliano Belletti (undisc.)[bR] Tal Ben Haim (free)[bR] Florent Malouda (undisc.)[bR] Claudio Pizarro (free)[bR] Steve Sidwell (free)[bR] Derby Claude Davis (£3million)[bR] Robert Earnshaw (£3.5million)[bR] Benny Feilhaber (undisc.)[bR] Andy Griffin(undisc.)[bR] Eddie Lewis (undisc.)[bR] Tyrone Mears (£1million)[bR] Kenny Miller (undisc.)[bR] Lewis Price (undisc.)[bR] Andy Todd (undisc.)[bR] Everton Leighton Baines (£5million)[bR]Thomas Gravesen (loan)[bR]Tim Howard (undisc.)[bR] Phil Jagielka (£4million)[bR] Steven Pienaar (loan)[bR] Stefan Wessels (loan)[bR] Yakubu (£11.25million)[bR] Fulham Nathan Ashton (free)[bR]Chris Baird (£3.025m)[bR] Hameur Bouazza (£3.5million)[bR] Lee Cook (undisc.)[bR] Steven Davis (undisc.)[bR] David Healy (undisc.)[bR] Shefki Kuqi (loan)[bR] Aaron Hughes (£1million)[bR] Diomansy Kamara (£6million)[bR] Kasey Keller (free)[bR] Paul Konchesky (undisc.)[bR] Adrian Leijer (undisc.)[bR] Danny Murphy (loan)[bR] Liam Rosenior (undisc.)[bR] Ki-Hyeon Seol (undisc.)[bR] Dejan Stefanovic (£1million)*[bR] Liverpool Ryan Babel (£11.5million)[bR] Yossi Benayoun (undisc.)[bR] Charles Itandje (undisc.)[bR] Lucas Leiva (undisc.)[bR] Nikolay Mihaylov (undisc.)[bR] Fernando Torres (undisc.)[bR] Andriy Voronin (free)[bR] Manchester City Rolando Bianchi (£8.8million)[bR] Valeri Bojinov (undisc.)[bR] Vedran Corluka (undisc.)[bR] Elano (£8million)[bR] Gelson Fernandes (undisc.)[bR] Javi Garrido (£1.5million)[bR] Geovanni (free)[bR] Martin Petrov (£4.7million)[bR] Manchester United Anderson (£18million)[bR] Owen Hargreaves (undisc.)[bR] Tomasz Kuszczak (undisc.)[bR] Nani (undisc.)[bR] Carlos Tevez (loan)[bR] Middlesbrough Jeremie Aliadiere (£2million)[bR] Mido (£6million)[bR] Gary O'Neil (£5million.)[bR] Tuncay Sanli (free)[bR] Mohamed Shawky (£650,000)[bR] Jonathan Woodgate (£7million)[bR] Luke Young (£2.5million)[bR] Newcastle United Joey Barton (£5.8million)[bR] Habib Beye (undisc.)[bR] Claudio Cacapa (free)[bR] Jose Enrique (£6.3million)[bR] Abdoulaye Faye(undisc.)[bR] Geremi (free)[bR] David Rozehnal (£2.9million)[bR] Alan Smith (undisc.)[bR] Mark Viduka (free)[bR] Portsmouth Martin Crainie (undisc.)[bR] Papa Bouba Diop (undisc.)[bR] Sylvain Distin (free)[bR] Hermann Hreidarsson (free)[bR] Glen Johnson (undisc.)[bR] Sulley Muntari (undisc.)[bR] David Nugent (£4.5million)[bR] John Utaka (undisc.)[bR] Reading Kalifa Cisse (undisc.)[bR] Emerse Fae (£2.5million)[bR] Sunderland Russell Anderson (£1million)[bR] Michael Chopra (£5million)[bR] Andy Cole (free)[bR] Dickson Etuhu (£1.5million)[bR] Craig Gordon (£7million)[bR] Greg Halford (£3million)[bR] Ian Harte (free)[bR] Danny Higginbotham (£3million)[bR] Kenwyne Jones (£6million)[bR] Paul McShane (£1.5million)[bR] Roy O'Donovan (undisc.)[bR] Kieran Richardson (undisc.)[bR] Kenwyne Jones (£6million)[bR] Danny Higginbothan (£3million) Tottenham Hotspur Gareth Bale (£5million)[bR] Darren Bent (£16.5million)[bR] Younes Kaboul (undisc.)[bR] Adel Taarabt (undisc.)[bR] Kevin-Prince Boateng (undisc.) West Ham Craig Bellamy (£7.5million)[bR] Henri Camara (loan)[bR] Kieron Dyer (undisc.)[bR] Julien Faubert (£6.1million)[bR] Freddie Ljungberg (undisc.)[bR] Scott Parker (£7million)[bR] Nolberto Solano (free)[bR] Richard Wright (free)[bR] Wigan Athletic Marcus Bent (loan)[bR]Rachid Bouaouzan (undisc.)[bR]Titus Bramble (free)[bR] Michael Brown (undisc.) Andreas Granqvist (free)[bR] Jason Koumas (£5.3million)[bR] Mario Melchiot (free)[bR] Carlo Nash (£300,000)[bR] Antoine Sibierski (free)[bR]

The commissar vanishes!

Right now, Dyer was the worst signing. Bent also seems to be a mistake IMO. Way too expensive and his acquisition created problems with Berbatov and Defoe. Would love it Berbatov moved on and they were stuck with Bent and Keane. And Amady Faye on loan is not a bad signing.

You know your club (San Jose, I assume) is coming back next year, right? Yes, I am not 100% sure that I will be back though. The league is a joke, but it's all we have.

I like to that I've seen him and that he's good. But I haven't seen him in a while. Haven't really watched any MLS games since the league folded my club. Bastards.

Go to Bigsoccer for the ongoing saga. http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=581447

I'd expect Cacapa, Rozehnal, Taylor, and Faye to all get minutes at CB. Taylor may play right back. And Faye at CB, RB, LB, and CM. But the point is well taken, from what I've seen so far-- Cacapa and Rozehnal should be starters. RB CB CB LB ----- --------- ----------- --------- Beye Cacapa Rozenhnal Enrique Taylor Taylor Faye Faye Faye N'Zogbia [Carr] [babayaro] CM ----- Geremi Faye Butt etc.

ST - Martins -> Owen CM - Geremi -> Butt CD - Faye -> Cacapa, Rozehnal RB - Beye -> Taylor Not terrible.

What's that old saying? Sometimes you make your own luck. Paraphrasing Glenn Hoddle now?

Wow, Beye is looking really, really good right now. Too good. Too much to ask for.

Jesus. If this isn't a wind-up, kindly fuck off. Or just fuck off anyway. FFS

Exactly. One goalless draw and the sky is falling... Allardyce is turning us into Bolton...he's trying to sell Martins FFS

The Tottenham board are, apparently, all big time Spur fans and they actually believe all the hype about their players. We had KD on here claiming that Spurs player-for-player had a better squad than Arsenal. Idiots. They finish fifth two seasons in a row and they suddenly think that they should've finished third or fourth, but the manager had let them down.