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How about just not singling out someone's skin colour as a subject of conversation or the butt-end of a joke? We don't do that for 'white' folk, but we constantly hear such jokes about the 'darkies' or people from the orient. Man, I can't believe I'm engaging in this. I'm out too Off to the Pardew thread where there's actually more sanity than here.

SanToon, I wouldn't fight the good fight. Let'em be. Logic and reason should rise to the top eventually, I wouldn't waste my time educating folk in this day and age what is racist and what isn't. If you don't know by now, I don't think you ever will.

Am I on stormfront.org? Has this place transformed into a Liverpool forum? FFS, get your head out of your asses.

Not even a debate if that's racist or not.

The tug o'war between Ashley and Whelan for Martinez would've been epic though. Gardener vs. northern club member.

Tru dat.

Tru dat.

Amazing how many on here were talking crap about Martinez when he was available, now he's shaping Everton into a pretty decent side. I'm sure a lot of it is honeymoon period, but the man so far has shown aptitude at a bigger, better club.

FFS.

Why, oh why, is he not starting? Argh. Complete bollocks that Tiote's taken his place, for no apparent reason at all.

i apologise You're spot on. just my perception. Probably clouded by Wullie's insistence that things have never been this bad in 15 years It's much easier to cope with the manager if the players are bollocks. Having to be in a position where players with real talent and pedigree look absolute toss and we can't accommodate Hatem Ben Arfa because he doesn't graft enough is unbelievably depressing. I've never been more frustrated as a Newcastle fan because I can see how close it is, that doesn't necessarily mean things are at their worst. Pardew's limited to say the least, but is he completely responsible for the players mentally withdrawing and physically shrinking the second Cardiff scored? They lost heart. Their heads went down. Not as much as on other occasions (Liverpool at home last sesson springs to mind) but they still did. Then they rallied a bit and we got a good result, and overall it was a good performance. We need 2 things for your vision to be realised; they need to stop feeling sorry for themsleves and they need a couple of leaders in the Nolan/Barton mould. I agree the team has bags of talent, but it doesnt have a lot of heart. I don't get the feeling that the players fear for their place enough under Pardew. We've seen Tiote, Cabaye and Cisse getting picked regardless of how much work they put in previously. Players know they can take the piss and get away with it to some extent. Agree with that. Except of course, your name is Hatem Ben Arfa.

Oh, and even Hazard scored

In a moment of inspiration, made Remy captain. Bombaclot, loving it. Also have Winston Reid and Figueroa in my backline, I got the highest total I've ever had. If only fucking Ramsey and Ben Arfa had done (or had the chance to do, where the latter is concerned) a thing or two, I'd be happier. But a good return, all in all.

Which January?

Krul's had an easy ride so far. Based on Everton only. Drop that cnut.

I love how there's absolutely no reaction from almost anyone I've already wasted too many words on this.

He's our Jonas.

Fuckface Hazard can't be sold as I have only 20 transfers for the season. I got rid of Cahill for Walker.

So what should our expectations be? Finishing 16th every year by the skin of our teeth and winning the derby? That's about it?

Like the turd you tried to squeeze out for days. Anyone else get a streak of hemorrhoid blood on the first piece when you squeeze it out finally after a few days of traveling and the fear of public washrooms this inevitably brings? No? Just checking.

Usually am a sarcastic bastard myself, now I know how others feel. These days though I'm aching for any opportunity to have a go at Pardew. Sorry Loki!

Did last season simply not happen for you?

Ian W , Brett and Inochi have as much right to post their opinion here as much as the next man.

Looking forward to seeing him this Saturday.

Obertan marra.