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Could have done a job in centre mid for us last season too, I remember him having a very good game there at Stamford Bridge.

2.51 miles CH Crystal Palace Football Club SE25 6PU 0871 200 0071 5.04 miles L1 Millwall Football Club SE16 3LN 0207 232 1222 5.82 miles CH Charlton Athletic Football Club SE7 8BL 0871 226 1905 8.14 miles PR Chelsea Football Club SW6 1HS 0870 300 2322 8.65 miles PR West Ham United Football Club E13 9AZ 0870 112 2700 9.03 miles PR Fulham Football Club SW6 6HH 0870 442 1234 10.09 miles L1 Leyton Orient Football Club E10 5NE 0871 310 1881 10.32 miles PR Arsenal Football Club N5 1BU 0207 704 4040 10.67 miles CH Queens Park Rangers Football and Athletic Club W12 7PA 0870 112 1967 12.50 miles L2 Dagenham & Redbridge RM10 7XL 0208 592 1549 All away. Ideally.

Potentially excellent. I rate him very highly still.

Win 2-1. Looking forward to it, got a half day to give me enough time to get too drunk to enjoy it.

2 seasons of being shite but in fairness to him he's got a bit better again under Fat Fuck. Maybe just playing for a contract mind.

This, although I disagree with the bit in bold. Obviously if you come on here just to be a WUM prick then you can fuck off but sometimes we won't want to hear what supporters from other clubs have to say even though it's true. KD is one of a number of good posters on here that support another club. This thread was always going to be taking the piss out of spurs a little after they lost, especially as the commentary was soo arse licking of them and patronising to Pompey so it might have be advisable for KD to ignore this for a few hours after the game to let the dust settle. I find a lot of the the 'foreign' posters' views more interesting and insightful than those of the vast majority of the posters on here. Obviously doesn't hold for Ash but you can't have everything.

Excellent weekend thus far, got Spurs Mancity double at £15 for today.

What, Mark Hughes who took Blackburn to 6th in the premier league playing attractive football on a budget of f*** all and signing and developing some superb players? And McClaren who's got unfashionable Twente 4 points clear of world renowned Ajax and 5 ahead of PSV in the Dutch league this season? Did Blackburn play attractive football though? Allardyce got Bolton to 5th didn't he? What's your point in that perspective? Either way, both of them managers did well over time at their club. Blackburn did when they came 6th imo, they had Bentley and MGP flying on the wings and Bellamy up top. They played some great stuff at times, I know it's a much derided line on this forum but I lived with a Rovers fan at the time and they played some cracking stuff. Also, I've mentioned it before, but his transfer record was astounding. Warnock, Bentley, Samba, Emerton, Nelson, MGP, McCarthy, Santa Cruz, Dunn all between £300k and £3.5m, mostly at the lower end of the spectrum. Just to be clear, I'm not criticising or even comparing to Hughton here, just pointing out that Phil is talking utter s*** in deriding Hughes like that. It's rather late and my memory's not at it's best but i'm quite sure MGP and Emerton were signed by Graeme Souness not Mark Hughes. According to Alan Oliver we were taking those 2 players for years but then Souness got them at Ewood and then left them to ruin us internally You're correct, Emerton and MGP were Souness, just checked it Still a very impressive transfer record mind.

Looks a bit warm. I'm going to be fucking knackered out there later.

It's not like we didn't have a national stadium and decided to build it in London. We already had (maybe) the most famous one in the world there, only it was dying and needed updating. and it's not like if it needed redoing it couldn't have been done elsewhere ? It could have. Just noticed your reply to my other post, will have to agree to disagree, I don't agree with you at all. If a new SJP was built in Blyth or something people would eventually get used to it. Still be s*** though. the SJP argument doesnt wash. its a newcastle stadium...the england stadium would still be in england. Blyth's pretty much in Newcastle though... I was only fishing with that line I reckon it probably is arguable but I'm too tired to work it out properly. We won't agree on the England stadium so there's not that much point really, plus I think it's my bedtime. I'm happy to have another go another day if you fancy an itching post though. no probs. what a nice way to disagree though, no personal digs, no snide comments. Thoroughly disappointing for the audience, though. and i was thinking of my piss taking. theres bound to be people out there in cyberland who see my piss taking as personal digs and snide comments. they're not you know, honest, i limit them to those i think i know well enough to accept them in the manner they are meant. honest. And GM

It's not like we didn't have a national stadium and decided to build it in London. We already had (maybe) the most famous one in the world there, only it was dying and needed updating. and it's not like if it needed redoing it couldn't have been done elsewhere ? It could have. Just noticed your reply to my other post, will have to agree to disagree, I don't agree with you at all. If a new SJP was built in Blyth or something people would eventually get used to it. Still be s*** though. the SJP argument doesnt wash. its a newcastle stadium...the england stadium would still be in england. Blyth's pretty much in Newcastle though... I was only fishing with that line I reckon it probably is arguable but I'm too tired to work it out properly. We won't agree on the England stadium so there's not that much point really, plus I think it's my bedtime. I'm happy to have another go another day if you fancy an itching post though. no probs. what a nice way to disagree though, no personal digs, no snide comments. Thoroughly disappointing for the audience, though. Scouse cunt

It's not like we didn't have a national stadium and decided to build it in London. We already had (maybe) the most famous one in the world there, only it was dying and needed updating. and it's not like if it needed redoing it couldn't have been done elsewhere ? It could have. Just noticed your reply to my other post, will have to agree to disagree, I don't agree with you at all. If a new SJP was built in Blyth or something people would eventually get used to it. Still be s*** though. the SJP argument doesnt wash. its a newcastle stadium...the england stadium would still be in england. Blyth's pretty much in Newcastle though... I was only fishing with that line I reckon it probably is arguable but I'm too tired to work it out properly. We won't agree on the England stadium so there's not that much point really, plus I think it's my bedtime. I'm happy to have another go another day if you fancy an itching post though.

He's started playing a fair bit now so it's staggeringly unlikely but if Fergie spends big on another CM this summer I'd be tempted to throw big money at Gibson and hope for the best. Looks like someone (from the little I've seen) who can really run a game, got a good engine, pass and shot on him. Exactly what we need. No fucking chance mind

It's not like we didn't have a national stadium and decided to build it in London. We already had (maybe) the most famous one in the world there, only it was dying and needed updating. and it's not like if it needed redoing it couldn't have been done elsewhere ? It could have. Just noticed your reply to my other post, will have to agree to disagree, I don't agree with you at all. If a new SJP was built in Blyth or something people would eventually get used to it. Still be shit though.

It's not like we didn't have a national stadium and decided to build it in London. We already had (maybe) the most famous one in the world there, only it was dying and needed updating.

Thick people who think they're actually quite bright are a bigger menace to society than that Baby Bio plant food shit the kids are all snorting. It's all relative though isn't it. If you've only ever seen the likes of John Terry, Steven Gerrard and Andy Cole interviewed you'd think James was a prince among men when it came to intellect in football.

It wasn't worth the money but I don't think the ludicrous overspend was because it was in London...just because they fucked up on near enough everything as far as I could tell. I agree with you in the second point, but I think to relocate the national stadium would have been mental with the Wembley name alone being arguably the most famous in sport. I'd be all for new stadia being around the country but I don't think removing Wembley outright was ever a feasible option and don't think it should be, it wasn't a new thing as such, rather giving a dying stadium a facelift. Tradition has a place in sport.

Getting to London in most cases is fairly easy, most (if not all cities) have a direct train route, a major road route, and a lot have direct flights. However for all of the public transport London offers it can be rather difficult to actually travel in London once you arrive. Also the question has to be asked is, why should London beneift from all of these games, after England games are national games, so surely every corner of the nation should have a chance of benefitting from hosting national games, and why should London gain from games that could be played between two clubs (for example the FA Cup games, and the play off's) that arn't from London all the time? Not really. I left the CCF 5 mins after the final whistle (as, staggeringly, did lots and lots of Man U fans who couldnt be arsed to wait around for the final whistle, let alone the trophy presentation. I guess that's how it is when you're so successful), walked down Wembley Way, got on the tube and was back in Harrow to get in the car with the absolute minimum of fuss. And that was with 90,000 people there. It all depends where about you come from, I mean not all trains go to Kings cross, and not all roads and such lead you directly to Wemberly, infact public transport is surposed to be rather poor around there. And also, since the Man Utd fans stayed behind after the final whistle for the trophy you were only up against half of the crowd, so thats about 45k, thats less then the crowd at most games at SJP. Imagine how much harder it would of been for the fans of Man Utd who did stay behind? As Madras said, why not think of what games like these could bring to other areas? It isn't.

Huge numbers of fans (a minority, but still loads) go to London for the weekend for England games. I know you like a whinge about London saying how horrible it is but face it, you're in a minority there. It's also pretty easy to get to with train links to nigh on everywhere and despite what Stifler said above is very, very easy to travel around once you're there. The vast majority of games when it was moving around the country (and certainly pretty much every game of any significance) were at Old Trafford, was that any better? I quite like the concept of a national stadium, particularly under the Wembley name, arguably the most famous sporting venue in the world. Similar to Lords in cricket, every footballer wants to play at Wembley. Having said that I don't think it's been executed particularly well, not every single game needs to be played there and it's not my favourite stadium.

He was opposed to the '39th game' on the basis that it would increase football clubs' carbon footprint. I believe he wrote a column explaining this whilst on a summer training camp in spain somewhere.

Our FA trampled all over our Wembley tradition when they started holding Cup semi finals there. it totally devalues the mystique of Wembley if you get to go there for the semi final too. seconded brummie. Agreed. Problem now is they'd never pay for the new stadium without doing so. pretty sure they could have afforded a better, cheaper stadium if it didn't HAVE to be in london. massivly overpriced and in a crap part of the country. especially when the majority of folk would rather the majority of england games were played in the regions. Agree with all that too. Should have been somewhere in the Midlands IMO. Disagree. The site they were talking about in the Midlands was near the NEC, purely because it is near the motorway, and has a decent sized airport and a train station on site. The issue with that is it's close enough to London to make it worth actually building it in London. There was never any real prospect of it leaving London. I don't have a problem with that. Personally, I don't think we really need a national stadium at all, but if we are going to have one, it can't be anywhere in the provinces - no provincial city has anything like the extra attractions London has. no provincial city has those attractions because........................... of that sort of thinking. anyway would you be put off going to an england game because you couldn't squeeze in an hour at the whitechapel art gallery beforehand ? most england supporters from outside the south east go and get out as sharp as possible. Yeah, I'd be just as inclined to spend a weekend taking in an England game if it was in Coventry

Whilst Wembley was being redeveloped England played their games at various grounds up and down the country, and it was pretty successful. The vast majority were played at Old Trafford though weren't they? And doesn't this start a problem with giving a benefit to clubs that already have a good ground? I know a reason Kent can't compete financially in County Cricket at times is that they'll never get the £1m windfall from hosting a test match. Wembley is exactly like the Emirates imo. Beautifully made, very impressive but just...dead. Being on a vast expanse of concrete doesn't help (for either).

What, Mark Hughes who took Blackburn to 6th in the premier league playing attractive football on a budget of f*** all and signing and developing some superb players? And McClaren who's got unfashionable Twente 4 points clear of world renowned Ajax and 5 ahead of PSV in the Dutch league this season? Did Blackburn play attractive football though? Allardyce got Bolton to 5th didn't he? What's your point in that perspective? Either way, both of them managers did well over time at their club. Blackburn did when they came 6th imo, they had Bentley and MGP flying on the wings and Bellamy up top. They played some great stuff at times, I know it's a much derided line on this forum but I lived with a Rovers fan at the time and they played some cracking stuff. Also, I've mentioned it before, but his transfer record was astounding. Warnock, Bentley, Samba, Emerton, Nelson, MGP, McCarthy, Santa Cruz, Dunn all between £300k and £3.5m, mostly at the lower end of the spectrum. Just to be clear, I'm not criticising or even comparing to Hughton here, just pointing out that Phil is talking utter shit in deriding Hughes like that.

What, Mark Hughes who took Blackburn to 6th in the premier league playing attractive football on a budget of fuck all and signing and developing some superb players? And McClaren who's got unfashionable Twente 4 points clear of world renowned Ajax and 5 ahead of PSV in the Dutch league this season?

It's not that tight. A million pounds. A million fucking quid for one game! He'd have to score a shitload of goals.