OzzieMandias

I know what you mean......but it's said all wrong. They purchase products from the club - they purchase their view of the match, or a shirt or a program. And when they receive the item that they have purchased (watched the match, or got the shirt) their transaction is over. I don't invest in Heinz when I buy a tin of beans....I pay for the beans and receive the product which concludes my transaction. It's a purchase not an investment. Football fans are no different in that they purchase football products, receive them by attending the game or getting merchandise, and their purchases are immediately completed. Investing means - putting money in without receiving anything back immediately, and then hoping to receive a larger payout at some point in the future. So honestly, Ashley is the only one who is "investing" in the club. Football clubs are business selling match day experience and other merchandising. We may be fans of the club but we are really customers of the business, but investing in the club we are not. Completely correct, and hopefully the end of a completely dumb argument.

Well, what the words literally mean is that he's good in the air in a way that deceives people. What you seem to want to say is that his appearance would deceive you into thinking he's not good in the air, but he is. One could also wonder whether you meant to convey that he deceives you into thinking he's good in the air, but actually isn't. I couldn't tell, so I asked you.

No Nile Ranger on the list. Not that I want to get rid of him, like. It's a difficult question. I voted Nolan, Barton, Ryan Taylor, Best, Pancrate, Butt and Smith. But let's face it, given enough money for replacements, you'd probably want to dispense with the services of just about all of them.

What does that mean?

This Would have said Europe but some of the Uefa Cup/Cup Winners Cup were hardly off us being a top club. Miss the excitement of walking to the ground like that night against Barca and the feeling that we could compete against anyone. Looking back we have only been a top team 3 of the last 13 seasons, those days seem like a lifetime ago Add in the season where we won the Fairs cup, and it's a grand total of about four seasons in the 42 years since I first went to a game.

That's my favourite bit.

It's far enough away that, when I first went away to college and fell into drinking with a guy from Middlesbrough (well, Redcar), I very often couldn't understand a word he was saying.

Might be different for UK users. Most likely that's it.

If you go to the live streaming page, it's listed on the schedule on the right-hand side. http://www.bet365.com/extra/en/streaming/live-sport/

Good news, fellow far-flung Geordies – smoggies v Toon streamed live and for free @ bet365.com

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/mar/12/alan-shearer-small-talk-interview

So it's his fault when it goes wrong and someone else is responsible when it goes right? It was nowt to do with the previous Board when the team was doing well in the PL but it was their fault when things took a turn for the worse, or even when things didn't get better than 3rd. Surely you remember that? Why should it be any different for Ashley? In any case, the facts show quite clearly he's taken the club backwards since he took over and that's his fault no matter how you want to ignore it. The strong position in the Championship we find ourselves in currently is nothing to do with Ashley, it is in spite of Ashley. In January 2009 and summer 2009 Ashley sanctioned the sale or release of a number of players, the only players who came in during the summer were either sub-standard loan signings or free signings. I'm talking here about Danny Simpson (loan), Peter Lovenkrands (Free), Zurab Khizanishvili (Loan) and Marlon Harewood (Loan). He also failed to bring in an established manager, in fact, he didn't seem at all bothered whether the club had a manager or not, such was his undermining of the football club. Basically, Ashley didn't do anything permanent to improve the position of the team/club until January came around. It's open to debate whether bringing in a few Championship quality players is the best way forward given the club is in a good position for a return to the PL, however, it's obvious the squad did need more numbers due to earlier decisions by Ashley that reduced the size of the squad to an alarming level. He made the decision to do something in January only because : 1. The manager and the playing/coaching staff had performed very well despite being handicapped by Ashley and his undermining of the football club. This saw the club top of the Championship, so a return to the higher revenue of the PL suddenly looked to be possible. 2. Ashley had once again failed to offload the club so he was left with either speculating in an attempt to recover PL money, or flounder due to a thin squad. The small squad was thanks to Ashley and he didn't give a damn about that until he failed to sell the club, he'd have handed that crap situation over to someone else. The man's a plank. Simple as that. It's about time people stopped trying to defend the indefensible because it's laughable. Or, looked at without the shit-coloured glasses on... He gave the wage bill an obviously necessary trim by allowing various highly-paid underperformers to leave but kept a decent squad for the campaign by not selling off various other players. Had faith in Hughton instead of bringing in yet another in a long line of highly-paid underperforming managers that stretches well back into the previous regime -- a faith that has proved to be a resoundingly good call. He made the decision to do something in January because: 1. There having proved to be no one else willing to put money into the club, he was prepared to resume doing so himself. 2. There were certain obvious problems with the squad that needed addressing, and this was duly done. He handled last season very badly, but he's done well this season. It's about time people stopped whining and acknowledged that reality. Stopped reading at the bit in bold. If you get rid of it and post properly without the added-on rubbish I'll read the rest of the post. Oh well. You had the chance to engage properly but once again you choose not to do so. What a loser.

So it's his fault when it goes wrong and someone else is responsible when it goes right? It was nowt to do with the previous Board when the team was doing well in the PL but it was their fault when things took a turn for the worse, or even when things didn't get better than 3rd. Surely you remember that? Why should it be any different for Ashley? In any case, the facts show quite clearly he's taken the club backwards since he took over and that's his fault no matter how you want to ignore it. The strong position in the Championship we find ourselves in currently is nothing to do with Ashley, it is in spite of Ashley. In January 2009 and summer 2009 Ashley sanctioned the sale or release of a number of players, the only players who came in during the summer were either sub-standard loan signings or free signings. I'm talking here about Danny Simpson (loan), Peter Lovenkrands (Free), Zurab Khizanishvili (Loan) and Marlon Harewood (Loan). He also failed to bring in an established manager, in fact, he didn't seem at all bothered whether the club had a manager or not, such was his undermining of the football club. Basically, Ashley didn't do anything permanent to improve the position of the team/club until January came around. It's open to debate whether bringing in a few Championship quality players is the best way forward given the club is in a good position for a return to the PL, however, it's obvious the squad did need more numbers due to earlier decisions by Ashley that reduced the size of the squad to an alarming level. He made the decision to do something in January only because : 1. The manager and the playing/coaching staff had performed very well despite being handicapped by Ashley and his undermining of the football club. This saw the club top of the Championship, so a return to the higher revenue of the PL suddenly looked to be possible. 2. Ashley had once again failed to offload the club so he was left with either speculating in an attempt to recover PL money, or flounder due to a thin squad. The small squad was thanks to Ashley and he didn't give a damn about that until he failed to sell the club, he'd have handed that crap situation over to someone else. The man's a plank. Simple as that. It's about time people stopped trying to defend the indefensible because it's laughable. Or, looked at without the shit-coloured glasses on... He gave the wage bill an obviously necessary trim by allowing various highly-paid underperformers to leave but kept a decent squad for the campaign by not selling off various other players. Had faith in Hughton instead of bringing in yet another in a long line of highly-paid underperforming managers that stretches well back into the previous regime -- a faith that has proved to be a resoundingly good call. He made the decision to do something in January because: 1. There having proved to be no one else willing to put money into the club, he was prepared to resume doing so himself. 2. There were certain obvious problems with the squad that needed addressing, and this was duly done. He handled last season very badly, but he's done well this season. It's about time people stopped whining and acknowledged that reality.

The man who which the tribunal stated lied to the fans. Give your head a shake. Mort, who created the Keegan/Wise/Jiminez dynasty. He left in June though, before the transfer window which gave Wise so much power. Might have been different if he had stayed on. And sure Ashley lied to the fans, but how long does it take before everyone gets over it? And haven't you lied before, its just double morale if you don't like him because he lied. At the end of the day it's like I said, another ownership will only set us back another year, why don't we just stick behind him and at least see where it goes? I'm a supporter just like you are, but its been over a year and a half since the Keegan debacle and some people just doesn't get over it. I wasn't arguing the Ashley point, he's putting the cash in where nobody else will I can't complain to much about him other than the mistakes made with management to have us sitting in the Championship. I was complaining about Mort coming back. Likewise. The case of Mort shows how easily people are won over by a good communicator.

There's nothing in the accounts that have been published so far to suggest that he's taken a single penny out of the club.

It's comments like this that make me about some of our support, football is emotive, but after 12-18months you'd hope that people would start to get a sense of perspective, particularly when other events in the footballing world unfold and shed some light on the underlying situation at every business. Footballing-wise, there have been some horrendous mistakes made, especially the attempt to sign Harry Redknapp (wtf?!) then the doomed appointment of KK; however, it is noticeable that their decisions are improving (even if it's just because they are making fewer of them). Business-wise, we can only really go off the numbers published at the end of every year, as we all know that the club have deliberately misled the supporters in the past. To date, the financial situation is improving, so I find it hard to fault Ashley for those decisions. So what's the problem with HTL's point??? The "whole series of bad decisions" made by the "inept wankers" led a lot of people to draw the conclusion that they were deliberately trying to destroy the club. The ineptitude is beyond question. Drawing the conclusion that were deliberately trying to destroy the club is laughable. 1. Did ashley deliberately buy the football club without understanding exactly what he was buying? 2. Did ashley deliberately appoint Keegan? 3. Did ashley deliberately install a system that would not possibly work with a manager of that temperament? 4. Did ashley deliberately back Wise over Keegan? 5. Did ashley deliberately appoint a bloody joke as a manager? 6. Did ashley deliberately appoint a coach as a manager? 7. Did ashley deliberately appoint Shearer as manager, a man has no previous experience, thereby showing his panic at the situation? 9. Did ashley deliberately put the club up for sale then withdraw it from sale more than once, undermining the entire football club? 10. Did ashley deliberately see a surplus of money from transfer dealings during Jan 2009? 11. Was the club relegated by 1 point at the end of that season? Whether the b****** deliberately set out to ruin the club is not the point because nobody said that anyway, but his actions have lead to almost total ruin of the football club and there is no excuse. It wasn't just his actions though, you can't simply ignore what went on beforehand under Shepherd where we borrowed heavily and sooner or later the belt would have to be tightened. You can't just roll Souness and Allardyce's time here under a carpet when so much damage was inflicted by these appointments. I never have. I know they were bad appointments, especially sourness. I've said so numerous times. I also know that those who are somehow supporting ashley now are the same people (like mandiarse) who were telling everyone to give sourness time to build his own team. I also remember that when I posted I didn't want the Board to back Sourness with money in the January window I was slated and told that the Board HAD to stump up the cash otherwise they would be confirmed as being s****. I do understand that people want to whinge on about the previous Board because we had a good team but didn't win the title, especially after only signing 3 players in 2003 when we should have apparently signed half a team, but everything Ashley has done has been far worse than anything done by the previous Board. So what? The previous board sold up and f***ed off with the money because they wanted to. No one held a gun to their head otherwise they could still be here now...and in fact if they wanted to invest some cash they could buy it back same way as Ashley did. But they won't because they don't want to put their money in Newcastle and neither does anyone else. Until someone does it's pointless whingeing at the only bloke who's putting anything in no matter how reluctantly he's doing it. how much are supporters putting in ? How many people on here go to games If you mean what the club collects annually in Matchday revenues it's not known for this season yet. When we were in the Premiership it was between £30m and £35m every year between 2005 and 2008. Edit: On your second question - don't live locally any more so go to about 5 home games a season. don't supporters put more money into the club than Mike Ashleys says he is doing ? Supporters won't get it back like he will do when he sells too. Does he not realise that dropping down a league has hit revenue ? Re quantity of supporters' money vs Ashley's money, I think that season on season it's currently a close-run thing, but it's a bit of a daft argument in any case. And there's no way he'll ever get back all the money he's put it into the club. Hell, he was going to sell up last year at a £150 million loss (four or five years' Premier League matchday revenue). Meanwhile, if you happen to know any billionaires who want to better the amount Ashley's currently putting in, please sit them down for a beer and try to persuade them to buy the club.

People will believe it though. Aye, course they will and justifiably so too. Undoubtedly it's part of his Evil Plan to deliberately undermine the club.

Lionel Perez?

It's comments like this that make me about some of our support, football is emotive, but after 12-18months you'd hope that people would start to get a sense of perspective, particularly when other events in the footballing world unfold and shed some light on the underlying situation at every business. Footballing-wise, there have been some horrendous mistakes made, especially the attempt to sign Harry Redknapp (wtf?!) then the doomed appointment of KK; however, it is noticeable that their decisions are improving (even if it's just because they are making fewer of them). Business-wise, we can only really go off the numbers published at the end of every year, as we all know that the club have deliberately misled the supporters in the past. To date, the financial situation is improving, so I find it hard to fault Ashley for those decisions. So what's the problem with HTL's point??? The "whole series of bad decisions" made by the "inept wankers" led a lot of people to draw the conclusion that they were deliberately trying to destroy the club. The ineptitude is beyond question. Drawing the conclusion that were deliberately trying to destroy the club is laughable. 1. Did ashley deliberately buy the football club without understanding exactly what he was buying? 2. Did ashley deliberately appoint Keegan? 3. Did ashley deliberately install a system that would not possibly work with a manager of that temperament? 4. Did ashley deliberately back Wise over Keegan? 5. Did ashley deliberately appoint a bloody joke as a manager? 6. Did ashley deliberately appoint a coach as a manager? 7. Did ashley deliberately appoint Shearer as manager, a man has no previous experience, thereby showing his panic at the situation? 9. Did ashley deliberately put the club up for sale then withdraw it from sale more than once, undermining the entire football club? 10. Did ashley deliberately see a surplus of money from transfer dealings during Jan 2009? 11. Was the club relegated by 1 point at the end of that season? Whether the bastard deliberately set out to ruin the club is not the point because nobody said that anyway, but his actions have lead to almost total ruin of the football club and there is no excuse. It wasn't just his actions though, you can't simply ignore what went on beforehand under Shepherd where we borrowed heavily and sooner or later the belt would have to be tightened. You can't just roll Souness and Allardyce's time here under a carpet when so much damage was inflicted by these appointments. I never have. I know they were bad appointments, especially sourness. I've said so numerous times. I also know that those who are somehow supporting ashley now are the same people (like mandiarse) who were telling everyone to give sourness time to build his own team. I also remember that when I posted I didn't want the Board to back Sourness with money in the January window I was slated and told that the Board HAD to stump up the cash otherwise they would be confirmed as being shite. I do understand that people want to whinge on about the previous Board because we had a good team but didn't win the title, especially after only signing 3 players in 2003 when we should have apparently signed half a team, but everything Ashley has done has been far worse than anything done by the previous Board. So what? The previous board sold up and fucked off with the money because they wanted to. No one held a gun to their head otherwise they could still be here now...and in fact if they wanted to invest some cash they could buy it back same way as Ashley did. But they won't because they don't want to put their money in Newcastle and neither does anyone else. Until someone does it's pointless whingeing at the only bloke who's putting anything in no matter how reluctantly he's doing it. That is, indeed, the bottom line.

It's comments like this that make me about some of our support, football is emotive, but after 12-18months you'd hope that people would start to get a sense of perspective, particularly when other events in the footballing world unfold and shed some light on the underlying situation at every business. Footballing-wise, there have been some horrendous mistakes made, especially the attempt to sign Harry Redknapp (wtf?!) then the doomed appointment of KK; however, it is noticeable that their decisions are improving (even if it's just because they are making fewer of them). Business-wise, we can only really go off the numbers published at the end of every year, as we all know that the club have deliberately misled the supporters in the past. To date, the financial situation is improving, so I find it hard to fault Ashley for those decisions. So what's the problem with HTL's point??? The "whole series of bad decisions" made by the "inept wankers" led a lot of people to draw the conclusion that they were deliberately trying to destroy the club. The ineptitude is beyond question. Drawing the conclusion that were deliberately trying to destroy the club is laughable. 1. Did ashley deliberately buy the football club without understanding exactly what he was buying? 2. Did ashley deliberately appoint Keegan? 3. Did ashley deliberately install a system that would not possibly work with a manager of that temperament? 4. Did ashley deliberately back Wise over Keegan? 5. Did ashley deliberately appoint a bloody joke as a manager? 6. Did ashley deliberately appoint a coach as a manager? 7. Did ashley deliberately appoint Shearer as manager, a man has no previous experience, thereby showing his panic at the situation? 9. Did ashley deliberately put the club up for sale then withdraw it from sale more than once, undermining the entire football club? 10. Did ashley deliberately see a surplus of money from transfer dealings during Jan 2009? 11. Was the club relegated by 1 point at the end of that season? Whether the bastard deliberately set out to ruin the club is not the point because nobody said that anyway, but his actions have lead to almost total ruin of the football club and there is no excuse. No, you said that. And not for the first time, either.

It's comments like this that make me about some of our support, football is emotive, but after 12-18months you'd hope that people would start to get a sense of perspective, particularly when other events in the footballing world unfold and shed some light on the underlying situation at every business. Footballing-wise, there have been some horrendous mistakes made, especially the attempt to sign Harry Redknapp (wtf?!) then the doomed appointment of KK; however, it is noticeable that their decisions are improving (even if it's just because they are making fewer of them). Business-wise, we can only really go off the numbers published at the end of every year, as we all know that the club have deliberately misled the supporters in the past. To date, the financial situation is improving, so I find it hard to fault Ashley for those decisions. So what's the problem with HTL's point??? The "whole series of bad decisions" made by the "inept wankers" led a lot of people to draw the conclusion that they were deliberately trying to destroy the club. The ineptitude is beyond question. Drawing the conclusion that were deliberately trying to destroy the club is laughable.

What really set the ball rolling this time was John Terry trying to muzzle the entire press with an injunction. Once that was lifted of course they went after him, and actually I don't blame them.

Just our luck to get one willing to spend hundreds of millions on an Evil Plan to deliberately piss off a few thousand Geordies.

I don't see the word "deliberate" in there anywhere. Perhaps you can let everyone know where it is? You said he had tried to undermine the club's promotion campaign. ("What they have done since is try to undermine a return to the PL right up until January.") Trying to do something involves intent. It is a deliberate action. If that's not what you were intending to say in that sentence, then perhaps you can explain what you were actually trying to say.

Zero evidence that this is the case here. It seems to have been a member of the public who hoped to able to sell the recording.